Every Wish That We Put Into Motion.... (comments welcome!)

You really figured out a lot of stuff this week! WTG!


Might I humbly suggest trying maple syrup? Actual, real maple syrup, which I know you can find in your area (in the absence of Untapped availability). Their standard "gel" is 1.3 ounces of syrup, which is 100 calories and 26g of carbs. I find it easy on my system and a nice break from all the artificial sugars in other options. If you do find Untapped, they also have some lovely salted flavors.


You got this!
Oooh. That is a thought! We definitely have local maple syrup, but the packaging might be tricky outside of having a small container of it and just taking swigs of syrup 😂


Also, I just want to let you know how much self control I’ve shown not sending you pics of things you could do and places you could go if you flew out here for race weekend. 😉
 
We definitely have local maple syrup, but the packaging might be tricky outside of having a small container of it and just taking swigs of syrup 😂

While I have done this on the treadmill, I found a small squeeze bottle from my travel toiletry kit worked pretty well to carry and dispense a little easier.
 
(Side note: this worked *really* well, took basically no time at all, and I will definitely be doing the same thing at the race.)
Great job on the long run! Good practice with changing out the liquids, etc., especially since conditions were kind of yucky.
I'm definitely planning on getting onto the race course next weekend (I think I can do almost the entire thing!) for my LONGEST TRAINING RUN EVER.
You've got this! Slow and steady. Big thing is to not get to ambitious at the beginning so you burn out, especially if the T+D is high.
I’m pretty sure I started off with some 90s stuff, and then switched to pitbull for the last 4 miles because most of his stuff is good for power walking to the beat.
Just looked it up...rules for North Country are to use only one earbud. Some trail races prohibit earphones entirely (not that everyone follows this, but in case your race director enforces it, you should know). If you think it's relevant, you may want to practice with this.
 
You've got this! Slow and steady. Big thing is to not get to ambitious at the beginning so you burn out, especially if the T+D is high.
The t+d is actually supposed to be really nice for this time of year next weekend! current forecast is humidity (and therefore dew point) in the 50s and low temp near 60 with a high of 75. I don't think it gets any better than that in mid-July!
Just looked it up...rules for North Country are to use only one earbud. Some trail races prohibit earphones entirely (not that everyone follows this, but in case your race director enforces it, you should know). If you think it's relevant, you may want to practice with this.
I only run in shokz, and I've seen quite a few pics/youtube videos of them being worn, so it shouldn't be an issue.
 

Well my 6mi yesterday didn't happen. DH, myself, and DD went on the river in a kayak, a tube, and our new paddleboard. About half way through, DH and I swapped spots in the kayak and sup and when I went to sit down in the kayak it was really awkward and I managed to smash my left leg with most of my bodyweight and got an instant bruise. It was sore and that spot was swollen last night (still a bit of swelling this morning) and just super uncomfortable just walking around the house. We are supposed to referee a couple of 3-on-3 basketball games tonight, and hopefully it's good enough I can go tomorrow.
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I got on my laptop this morning and logged onto the garmin connect website to see if I could find the 50k course on the maps. I can't remember if I'd done this before, but it's definitely on there and I'm feeling a LOT better about things just looking at the mile-by-mile breakdown of ascent and descent. I plugged some things into pace pro (8:30:00 finish time, positive splits, easier on the uphills) and none of the miles are crazy, and *most* of them are slower than what I've been doing in training. Now I'm trying to figure out what makes sense to pare it down to 20 miles for saturday.

ALSO, absolutely loving that according to garmin it's a total of just under 2400ft of ascent for the whole thing and not the website published 4845ft.
 
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The t+d is actually supposed to be really nice for this time of year next weekend! current forecast is humidity (and therefore dew point) in the 50s and low temp near 60 with a high of 75. I don't think it gets any better than that in mid-July!
I'm going to be so jealous if you actually get that kind of weather!
ALSO, absolutely loving that according to garmin it's a total of just under 2400ft of ascent for the whole thing and not the website published 4845ft.
Yes, hoping Garmin is correct. You may remember I was really worried about this when you started planning your training for this race.


I hope your leg starts feeling better quickly!
 
Does anyone know of a shirt that is fitted and has longer sleeves like this, but maybe isn't so $$ (and not wool.) I've come to the conclusion that I'm likely going to need *not* a tank top under my vest for the race because I was having the verrrrry beginnings of what would turn into chafing on Saturday.
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Does anyone know of a shirt that is fitted and has longer sleeves like this, but maybe isn't so $$ (and not wool.) I've come to the conclusion that I'm likely going to need *not* a tank top under my vest for the race because I was having the verrrrry beginnings of what would turn into chafing on Saturday.
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I wore a shirt by 32 degrees for the marathon. They used to sell the 3 packs at Costco but I haven’t seen them there in awhile. I also got them from Amazon and I think you can order directly from their website.

https://a.co/d/hbI4df8
 
Does anyone know of a shirt that is fitted and has longer sleeves like this, but maybe isn't so $$ (and not wool.)

I guess that depends on what you mean by "not expensive." I have several shirts made by Arctic Cool and I know that they have a 3/4 length sleeve shirt (https://arcticcool.com/collections/...eck-3-4-sleeve-t-shirt?variant=42467074801750). I've only used their short sleeve shirts, but they are by far my favorite and most comfortable shirts. If they had more colors/designs, I probably wouldn't wear anything else.
 
I wore a shirt by 32 degrees for the marathon. They used to sell the 3 packs at Costco but I haven’t seen them there in awhile. I also got them from Amazon and I think you can order directly from their website.

https://a.co/d/hbI4df8
ohhh yeah! i get their long sleeve shirts for base layers. i'm looking for the longer sleeve length. usually the answer to that is a mens shirt, but then it tends to get baggy/bunchy around my ribcage.
I guess that depends on what you mean by "not expensive." I have several shirts made by Arctic Cool and I know that they have a 3/4 length sleeve shirt (https://arcticcool.com/collections/...eck-3-4-sleeve-t-shirt?variant=42467074801750). I've only used their short sleeve shirts, but they are by far my favorite and most comfortable shirts. If they had more colors/designs, I probably wouldn't wear anything else.
well less $$ means "not on clearance for $40" but my biggest hesitation about the brooks shirt is that it's a wool blend and i tend to be a bit sensitive to wool.
 
Before it gets erased from my memory:
4 nerds gummies, 1 huma raspberry, 3 scoops of tailwind (unflavored), 8oz of coke, 8oz of Gatorade. That comes out to like 100+22+75+16=213g of carbs during the run (actually a bit less since I finished the tailwind post-run) of about 5.5 hours. So 39g/hour. Sigh.

Coffee and 1 pop tart (smores) in the car on the way to the trailhead. PBJ tortilla post-run in the car.

Drinking the remaining tailwind from my vest (10oz?) with some blueberry lemonade mio added to it.

Some chafing at the back of my bra (where the hooks are….i usually have it on the loosest setting but changed it to the tightest when I felt it start (mile 16)
 
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For the bra hook chaffing, piece of KT tape on your back.
Yes. That’s definitely my plan. This is only the 2nd time it’s ever happened so apparently there’s something about going 15+ miles with my vest and getting super sweaty that makes that spot chafe.

Does horizontal or vertical work better?
 
Yes. That’s definitely my plan. This is only the 2nd time it’s ever happened so apparently there’s something about going 15+ miles with my vest and getting super sweaty that makes that spot chafe.

Does horizontal or vertical work better?
I just use an anti-chafe stick there (something like Body Glide). KT tape would work - just hope it doesn't sweat off.

I use anti-chafe stick on that spot for all runs and under my arms where they run on my sides/underarm area. For longer runs, I also use it on the shoulders where my vest may rub (I wear tank tops), along the top "scoop" of my bra, and other hot spots that I've found can develop.
 
OK. Rewinding to the beginning of the week:

Monday: refereed for 2 hours of middle school boys 3-on-3 on what is approximately a 2/3s size basketball court at the YMCA. Nearly doesn't count because it was super duper easy, but it was 1 official per court, so I got some running in. I was nervous because of how badly I bruised my leg on Sunday, but it was doable with compression socks and the fact that I didn't really have to run.

Tuesday: 5mi easy I don't remember all of the details, but this run didn't happen. I think it was probably because my leg was crabby, DH had golf, all of the kids were busy in the evening, and by the time I could get on the treadmill I was massively unmotivated. Not a great beginning of the training week when I'm a month and a week out from race day.

Wednesday: 5mi easy. I was supposed to do 30sec almost-sprint repeats as well, but my bruise felt heavy in my leg on the small downhills along my route, so I opted to just take it super easy, get the miles in, and call it at day.

Thursday: 5mi easy More missing childcare, and then DD took for.ev.er. to get to sleep, and hauling myself onto the treadmill after 8pm sounded awful.

Friday: rest day. not that I needed it at this point. DH worked a half day, and then we packed up to go camping for the weekend about 30min south of home. Just far enough away to not be in work-mode, and it also cut my drive to the trailhead on Saturday in half. Attempted to carb load a little bit on Thursday night and Friday. I had picked up some unflavored tailwind, more gels and stroopwaffles from Fleet Feet during the week, and I tested out the tailwind to make sure it wasn't going to do weird things to my guts (and get some bonus carbs in liquid form.) Did a little too much walking around in my oofos with the dogs and could definitely feel it in my lower legs. I also didn't get to bed as early as I had wanted, but that's always tricky when you're contending with kids and dogs at the campground.

Saturday: 20 miles--trail course preview.
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Yeah. That deserves being in bold because holy cats who am I that I'm doing 20mi training runs? Backing up a little bit, I had looked at the course map, and then the garmin map (the full 50k course was in garmin connect!) and worked out how to chop off 11 miles. I mapped it all out in "courses" and THEN compared all of the twists and turns with the written directions from the race website so I knew the order of the post numbers and if I needed to stay left or right. I somehow managed to forget the piece of paper I had written it all out on, but DS1 stayed home and texted me a picture of it on Friday when I was getting all of my stuff ready. I had planned it so that I would run the most-hilly section of it first (miles 20-31 on race day) the stop back at the car to refill fluids and fuel, make a bathroom stop if needed, and then do part of the "less hilly" perimeter loop, cut off part of it using a seasonal road, and then finish up with what would be miles 16ish-20 on race day and then be back at my car.
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I set my alarm for 5 AND 530am. I only got about 6 hours of interrupted sleep, and hauled myself out of bed after the 530 alarm. My friend was planning on running with me (driving separately) and he texted me at about 530 letting me know that his knee was really giving him trouble and that he wasn't going to make it down to run. Honestly, with as big of an issue as his knee has turned into, I am starting to doubt if he even starts the race. He said he had tested it on a 20 minute hilly walk on Friday and even that was causing problems. :( We had planned to meet at the trailhead at 7, and I thought that maybe I could get started before then since I wouldn't have to wait, but there was that whole thing where I snoozed for an extra 30min. Of course the puppy woke up when I got up to get ready, and then she thought it was time to play for the day, and then woke up the other dog, who in turn woke DH and then DD up. So much for me being super quiet so everyone could sleep in!

A far as nutrition prep I had an empty gatorade bottle I poured some coke in that I shook up over and over on Friday night to get all of the bubbles out, and my collection of soft flasks, both reservoirs for my vest, the whole bag of tailwind, and extra bottle of gatorade. I stopped at a gas station on my way to the course to grab a bag of ice, and decided that pop tarts sounded better than the PBJ on a tortilla that I had packed, and that I could save those for after my run, or between "laps" for my course. I filled my vest with about 1L of water and 2 scoops of tailwind, a 500mL flask of plain water, 4 packs of nerds, 1 raspberry huma, and a bag with 4 500mg tylenol capsules.

I wore my running tights, one of DS1's shirts, my calf sleeves, and my janji toe socks. DS's shirt is an under armour tech t, heatgear, with raglan cut sleeves. All of the things I was looking for but not finding. I'm pretty sure these are on sale right now for like $19, so I'll have to decide if I really want a different color, or if I just want to borrow it again on race day.


It was about 64 degrees when I started, and nearly 80 when I finished, with the dew point somewhere around the mid-60s. This is pretty comparable to the average for next month's race day.
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Loop 1:
It was a VERY good plan to have my intersection posts/directions already ordered out because I would have gotten "lost" very quickly without them. I set my intervals for 20/30, but planned to walk the up-hills and take things very easy in general. My interval timer is also set to remind me to drink or fuel every 15 cycles which ends up being around every 0.8mi when I'm going slow. Right after I hit the 1mi mark, just after I finished my first pack of nerds, I caught a root at the bottom of a hill (while transitioning to a walk thank goodness!) and fell. My lower right leg took the brunt of the impact, along with the heel of my left hand. I did a quick inventory of "am I injured or does this just hurt" and decided I was OK to keep going, and would re-revaluate when I finished my loop. If things got worse, I would navigate back to the car sooner using the maps at each post.
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This hilly part of the course was not as difficult as I was expecting. It's like a grown-up version of the trail I've been running on since spring. The up and down hill sections are longer, but not really steeper than the worst of the hills on my nearby course. It's about the same in terms of roots, but is a little narrower. While I think this will be more challenging on legs that already have 20 miles in them instead of legs that have 0 miles, this seems doable on race day without sacrificing too much to the fatigue gods. I ate 3 packs of nerds, drank almost all of my tailwind, and all of the 8oz of flat coke I had in my my vest during the run. I ate the huma as I exited the woods and walked to my car. I refilled my vest with gatorade, another scoop of tailwind (with more water), 2 additional packs of nerds (total of 3 in the vest), and grabbed a stroopwaffle as well.
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Loop 2:
This part of the course looks flatter on an elevation profile than it feels. On the course description on the website it talks about your "first big climb" at mile 4 and it's not lying. It's almost a mile of uphill in the valley between other hills. It just keeps.going.up. and my watch says its about a total of 300ft of ascent. This is something that is hard for me to replicate at home on roads that are safe for me to use. There's a hill along the highway that would definitely replicate this, but there's no way I'm going out on the side of that with the speeds the cars go. AND I missed a turn. I'm not sure how I missed it, but I did, and instead of hitting the outside left perimeter loop, I ended up back on one of the internal loops. I tried to fix this (when I realized what had happened) by jumping onto a seasonal road that I knew would cross the other road I had planned on using as a cut point. But then my phone was in SOS mode, my maps were in offline mode, and things got pretty tricky for a few miles. My achilles issue that I've been dealing with was really flared up in both legs, and I did a lot of walking while I tried to figure out where I was and where I needed to be. Of course, there were thunderstorms passing through in about 2 hours and I had no clue how much distance I would be adding or subtracting from my route with this detour. I ended up almost accidentally coming across the intersection/post that I needed to find; I'm chalking that up to how much time I had spent routing my course and studying the maps. There had been several places where the trail had intersected the road, but none of them had seemed like the right one until I came to this one, and then there was a course marker post with the number I needed from my list. Hurray! The top outer loop of the course is lovely and quite flat, but the mosquitos were out in full force, and I nearly got sprayed by a skunk I ran up on (it was about 10ft off the trail and was into a handstand by the time I noticed it off to my left.) The problem I had with this part of the trail was that, since it's a fat tire trail, it's one rather narrow rut through the woods. And that meant that where my feet wanted to land was continually on the \__/ sloped edges of the trough. And my ankles hated it.
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With my detour I actually ended up being exactly right for mileage and not 0.86 over like my manually-routed course was planned to be. I put a fleece blanket on the ground behind my car in the parking lot, opened the hatch on the back, and laid on the ground with my legs up for about 10min before I peeled off my socks and compression sleeves, and then I laid there for about 5 more minutes. The whole thing took me about 30min longer than I was hoping it would, but I had to stop 8 or 9 times to dump things out of my shoes, top and trail/map posts to confirm I was going the correct way, I took a little longer during my re-fueling stop than I intended, and then that whole getting off-course thing.

Left: what I did Right: what I was supposed to do. hahahaha! That little tail at the bottom is where I missed my turn.
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Stats:
20 miles
5:23:53
avg pace 16:12 (moving pace 15:53)
avg HR 149 (yessssss!)
1,572ft ascent--that means that the race-website published ascent is waaaay off because there's no way they're getting another 3k ft on the outer loop that appears to be quite flat on the course profile.

ALL of my miles were under the cut-off pace for race day, and I would have "banked" about 25min, or 2:16 per mile to have as a buffer over the minimum pace to use in the last 11 miles (so I could go as slow as I did in this run, and then go 19:41/mi for the last 11 miles.) And I really did try to take it easy for this run. I need to get more carb in. And definitely plan for "real food" midway-ish. I'll likely just grab stuff from an aid station for that since nothing has ever really upset my stomach on a run.

Sunday: I'm supposed to do 8 miles with strides today. I very much feel like I have "post Dopey" legs today, and the part of my leg I landed on is cranky. I think what I'll end up doing is walking today, maaaaybe run/walk 1 or 2 miles if things loosen up during the walk, but I'm not putting a lot of emphasis on doing all 8 miles unless things feel good. That's another 2-2:15 training run for DH to have to ride herd on all the kids, and I might be really pushing my luck with that.
 
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Yes. That’s definitely my plan. This is only the 2nd time it’s ever happened so apparently there’s something about going 15+ miles with my vest and getting super sweaty that makes that spot chafe.

Does horizontal or vertical work better?
Vertical! Yes you have worry about sweat but I used the KT on my back for my 50k, but mine was in Feb and even though I was in Georgia it was cold for my race.
 
Fantastic job on the long run! They get really tough when you're out on the trail for that long.

It was a VERY good plan to have my intersection posts/directions already ordered out because I would have gotten "lost" very quickly without them.
Fingers crossed that the race organizers mark the course well. All races mark the course, but some do better than others. Since this is a well-established race and has lots of different distances, I would think they'd be well-organized for this.
This hilly part of the course was not as difficult as I was expecting. It's like a grown-up version of the trail I've been running on since spring. The up and down hill sections are longer, but not really steeper than the worst of the hills on my nearby course.
That's good news. And if you will be walking a lot more of this part of the course, that is probably even better - it's got a lot of hills where you'd be walking the uphills anyway.
my watch says its about a total of 300ft of ascent. This is something that is hard for me to replicate at home
This is what a treadmill would be excellent for, if you have one that can incline. Work out what the approximate grade is for the real hill and then do it on your treadmill.
The problem I had with this part of the trail was that, since it's a fat tire trail, it's one rather narrow rut through the woods.
Ooof, I hate these. I usually run on one side of the rut where it's flat. If that's not horrible for some reason.
The whole thing took me about 30min longer than I was hoping it would, but I had to stop 8 or 9 times to dump things out of my shoes, top and trail/map posts to confirm I was going the correct way, I took a little longer during my re-fueling stop than I intended, and then that whole getting off-course thing.
Yeah, it's tough. When I estimate how long I'll be out for a run, I always add time on to try to cover this sort of thing, but it's hard to estimate.
1,572ft ascent--that means that the race-website published ascent is waaaay off because there's no way they're getting another 3k ft on the outer loop that appears to be quite flat on the course profile.
That's more good news!

The biggest accomplishment on this run, I think, is that you did most of the race course. It's going to be a huge confidence booster on race day when you get into parts of the trail that you recognize because you've been there before, and you will know (at least vaguely) what's coming up.
 
I've been thinking about this week (and next week) and figuring out what makes sense from a "I am a very slow runner, and a lot of the traditional advice gets dialed down" training theory. Because let's be honest: David Roche's "beginners trail 50k training plan" was not written with someone who is planning go sub 15min/mi on race day at the forefront.

We know that risk/reward can get tricky once you go over 3-3.5hrs on a training run, but I think we can also agree that using run/walk can stretch that out a bit more. I've never run a training run over 13.1mi for any of my marathon/Dopey plans that Billy has written for me and always finished those upright and healthy.

This week has my running 35k (almost 22mi) on Saturday and having Sunday off (I usually am scheduled to run 6+mi on Sundays) and then the following week (which I had written differently from the online plan) as my peak week we had previously discussed me going 20+ on Saturday and then 6-10mi on Sunday instead of the published 10 and then 6-10 (weather/heat permitting.)

Let me be perfectly honest. The thought of completing long runs of 20 (or more) miles, 3 weekends in a row, makes me want to curl up into a ball. And based on how tired my legs are today, 2 days after my first-of-three super duper long runs, I don't think it's a great idea. (I walked for 6mi last night and when I attempted to jog across the highway at one intersection my legs just laughed at me.) Even the Galloway Dopey plan doesn't go long 3 weekends in a row.

But. I understand the need to be running on tired legs to be ready for race day. So my choices are these (or something I'm not considering?):

-do this week as planned, and next week as originally written (the 10mi/10mi weekend) which would make last weekend my peak week (a full month before race day)

-dial back the long run, but dial UP the midweek runs by 1mi each, and make the Sunday run a little longer (midweek runs are usually 5mi each, with Wednesday's speedwork day coming in at more like 6-7)

-keep the midweek runs the same, but redistribute the total milage on Saturday/Sunday so I'm not running more than 16mi for the longer of the 2 runs

I'll also add in that DH has been an absolute champ about me taking off for hours at a time on the weekends, but his patience are starting to wear thin when I'm getting up at 5am, being gone until 1pm for a run, and then being a gelatinous mass for the rest of the day. I'm getting tired of it too, if I'm being perfectly honest.
 
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Fantastic job on the long run! They get really tough when you're out on the trail for that long.
I'd be lying if I said things went great mentally. It was really up and down in parts...literally mile-to-mile would be a change just past mile 14 where I would feel great, and then feel horrible. But even though I wasn't thrilled to do this run on my own, it was probably a really good thing for me. I also firmly believe that having multiple nights of poor/less-than usual sleep messed with this as well. The good thing was that by the time I wanted to just be done with it, I had no choice but to just finish the run because doubling back to the start would have been just as long.
Fingers crossed that the race organizers mark the course well. All races mark the course, but some do better than others. Since this is a well-established race and has lots of different distances, I would think they'd be well-organized for this.
Yes. From a few YT videos it looks like they use a colored marking flag system (the flags they use to mark underground utilities) at some points, and also have a course marshal at at least 1 intersection.

That's good news. And if you will be walking a lot more of this part of the course, that is probably even better - it's got a lot of hills where you'd be walking the uphills anyway.
Agree. I'm not sure how my legs will feel about running the downhills at that point, and that could definitely eat up some of the the speed I was able to get running that section at the very beginning of the run.
This is what a treadmill would be excellent for, if you have one that can incline. Work out what the approximate grade is for the real hill and then do it on your treadmill.
DUH! Why didn't I think of that? Google tells me that it's about a 5.7% grade, so it's not terribly steep, it just goes on forever.
The biggest accomplishment on this run, I think, is that you did most of the race course. It's going to be a huge confidence booster on race day when you get into parts of the trail that you recognize because you've been there before, and you will know (at least vaguely) what's coming up.
Yes. And it's not nearly as scary as I was making it out to be in my head (based off the published ascent.) I feel way more confident about things having been out on the course, AND that my local trail is an adequate substitution that doesn't require 2 hours in the car.
 

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