Everest Experience to share as warning

[DebbieB]

If you're going to let your children ride unattended, which is what you're doing when you agree to split up, then you have to be ready for your kids to BE unattended, which means you may get off the right before them, or they before you. It means they may get stuck on the ride alone, or you may. It means that they are old enough to follow CM direction and know to wait for you outside of the ride. If you don't like this, then you shouldn't split up IMO.

The way I understood, all 4 of them were going to be on the same train.

 

[Hannathy]

Another don't think we have all the info.

And why didn't your DD pull her arm away from the CM?
why didn't she plant herself and say I'm not going anywhere ?(which should be drummed into kids heads anyway to refuse to go with someone)
Why didn't she yell "Mom" if you were standing right there
Why didn't you say "Suzy where are you going?"

Lots of disconnect here.

Only thing I can think is he asked her if she wanted to get on and she said "no" and he showed her where to sit and wait but if you were right there you never said a darn thing?

Nope not buying it.

 

[anonymousegirl]

posted in error

 

[brenda1966]

The way I understood, all 4 of them were going to be on the same train.

Not necessarily, if you are asking to ride in front there is often a "front seat" queue for EE. It's it near the single rider line queue. If you want to be assured of being in the same car, you shouldn't split up with some asking for the front row IMO.

 

[kymom99]

If this did happen, I would have been a little bit upset with my 13 year old for trying to force the 9 year old into the front line. I can see that if a child is upset and is not going to ride, that a CM would need to remove the child so that the ride can be loaded and sent on it's way. I'm not sure you would have been able to tell if he said anything to the child and perhaps the girl was too upset to really remember.

 

[MrsDuck]

Another don't think we have all the info.

And why didn't your DD pull her arm away from the CM?
why didn't she plant herself and say I'm not going anywhere ?(which should be drummed into kids heads anyway to refuse to go with someone)
Why didn't she yell "Mom" if you were standing right there
Why didn't you say "Suzy where are you going?"

Lots of disconnect here.

Only thing I can think is he asked her if she wanted to get on and she said "no" and he showed her where to sit and wait but if you were right there you never said a darn thing?

Nope not buying it.

Yep. Sounds like we're missing a few pieces of the puzzle.

 

[Mariep26]

Something definitely doesn't add up here. Without a true first hand account, I am not sure we will ever get the real story

 

[goofy4tink]

When you get to the CM, just before turning towards the ride, you are asked how many in the group. I imagine that the answer was four. It was at this point that brother should have asked for the front seat. Asking for it on the way to the appropriate number slot isn't going to make much difference.
So...I'm confused. They should have been walking, together, to two adjoining slots..say 10 and 11. That's how we've always been directed. So, if mom heard something going on, she only should have had to turn around and see what was going on. I just can't imagine why they were split up, as a family.
I know that there is no way that I would allow anyone to put my children, at that age anyway, far from me on that type of ride..not without my permission anyway.

 

[Bob NC]

Everest Experience to share as warning

Okay. Consider us 'warned', thanks

 

[momofbcs]

Why does nearly everyone feel the need to bash or be jerky? Some one even said "didn't happen"? Really? Im just making this up?

I was un aware that I needed to go breath by breath. My one son, Twin A, and I were first. We step up to the CM and answer "4" to the obligatory "How many in your party?" We are directed to the middle of the train which was right there by where the question was asked. We step into said line. Twin B says "Can we ride in the front?" and the CM directs them to the other line for those who are waiting on the front or back of the train. I see this and don't think any thing about it. My daughter is with my son. I am not allowing her to ride alone, she is with her brother. My daughter at that time says "I don't want to ride in the front" to her brother. (which Im sure was in a little sister whiney tone) The CM who is in charge of that line, then pulls her out of that line and takes her by the arm to the exit. I see this and leave Twin A in line. Twin B is still in line for the front. I follow a few steps behind. I am within earshot and he is saying nothing to her. She is now crying. She was not crying while in line. Whining yes, crying no. He puts her on the stone wall and turns and leaves. He says nothing to her and nothing to me. He does not tell her to wait here for your mom, he doesnt say ANYTHING! I go out the gate. I say to her "What was that about?" She said "I didn't want to ride in the front and he made me leave the line". I sit down on the opposite side of the wall. She is still crying. Another CM (a woman) walks and asks her "What's wrong? Did you not want to ride?" To which my daughter answers "I did, but not in the front row". The CM enters through the gate and nothing more is said.

Twin B did get reprimanded once he got off the line. As a parent, I chose to tend to the child in need before the child in trouble. Twin A was then allowed to ride EE again 3 more times with DD, in the middle of the train, while Twin B and I watched. Seemed like appropriate punishment to me.

Anyone else want to bash me or call me a liar?

Oh and I never said anything about expecting a CM to "babysit" my daughter, I just wouldn't expect one to set her free out in the park alone either.

My "warning" is that had I not been witness to this, I would have enjoyed EE, exited through the gift shop and where would my daughter have been? I would have no idea where she was. Its understandable that if you put a child on a ride alone, which I know is allowed, then you know to meet them at the exit. However, this is different because I put her on the ride with her brother and would have expected her to be there with him upon the completion of the ride.

So just knowing that it is a possibility might help someone else, that was my sole intention.

Geez.

 

[DisneyTracy73]

To me it doesn't really matter if we have the full story or not the point is there was no point for the CM to put their hands on the child. I noticed most on this board sometimes are so hateful and rude to people who just want to vent or maybe let others know about a situation so it won't happen to them. Calling people liars when one doesn't really know if they are lying is uncalled for, none of us witnessed this so none of us can say it happened nor can we say it didn't. Why can't we all just be nice to each other?

I'm sorry this happened to you, I hope it didn't ruin your trip!

 

[momofbcs]

Thanks Tracy. We were in Disney! It didnt ruin our trip

 

[smidgy]

I'm sorry that that happened.

what I would have done, however (Iknow, hindsight) is insist on new fastpasses right away.

(by the way, when hearing that the younger of 2 kids riding together doesn't want the front seat, the Cm, should have taken them BOTH out of the front seat line, and put them in another car. NOT take the poor little one out of the line.)

 

[20yBWDW]

To me it doesn't really matter if we have the full story or not the point is there was no point for the CM to put their hands on the child. I noticed most on this board sometimes are so hateful and rude to people who just want to vent or maybe let others know about a situation so it won't happen to them. Calling people liars when one doesn't really know if they are lying is uncalled for, none of us witnessed this so none of us can say it happened nor can we say it didn't. Why can't we all just be nice to each other?

I'm sorry this happened to you, I hope it didn't ruin your trip!

I think it matters if we have the full story because the OP is basically accusing a CM of something inappropriate. But there would be a world of difference between a CM putting his hand on a child who was being disruptive in line, was not responding to his verbal direction, and had no parent in attendance, vs. a CM who merely approached an upset child and grabbed them and escorted them out. If the parent thinks the child is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised, and the child is being disruptive in some way, it is much less egregious that the CM responds to the behavior in the same way they would a child who truly is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised.

 

[Mariep26]

I think it matters if we have the full story because the OP is basically accusing a CM of something inappropriate. But there would be a world of difference between a CM putting his hand on a child who was being disruptive in line, was not responding to his verbal direction, and had no parent in attendance, vs. a CM who merely approached an upset child and grabbed them and escorted them out. If the parent thinks the child is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised, and the child is being disruptive in some way, it is much less egregious that the CM responds to the behavior in the same way they would a child who truly is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised.

I agree with this. The actions of the CM are borderline bizarre so the detailed account is helpful.

 

[magicaldisney]

No, I didnt complain. Im not the type, but I was stunned at what I was witnesses and very thankful that I didnt take my eyes off of her.

You came here to the DIS to complain instead of complaining to someone at Disney. Any warning you feel we here on the DIS boards need to be warned about would, at the very least, be something you should have told someone at Disney when the incident happened. If it happened Disney has the right to be warned that it happened.

 

[Belleoftheballl]

She came on here to vent. We are supposed to be "Disney lovers" and be there for each other and talk about our experiences good or bad at Disney. It seems like every other thread on this site somebody is accusing another poster of lying or trying to prove their point or just being sarcastic. I'm so sick of reading negative posts by people.

On that note, I'm sorry this happened to you and your daughter. I would definitely talk to Disney about it whether or not you normally or do not normally complain. It's out of line a CM putting their hands on your daughter.

 

[Planogirl]

"Putting his hands on her" and simply holding her arm to escort her out are two different things. He could have just been lightly steering her out.

I don't get why he took her out at all though. Unless I missed something...

 

[momofbcs]

I think it matters if we have the full story because the OP is basically accusing a CM of something inappropriate. But there would be a world of difference between a CM putting his hand on a child who was being disruptive in line, was not responding to his verbal direction, and had no parent in attendance, vs. a CM who merely approached an upset child and grabbed them and escorted them out. If the parent thinks the child is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised, and the child is being disruptive in some way, it is much less egregious that the CM responds to the behavior in the same way they would a child who truly is old enough to be unattended/unsupervised.

I was within ten feet of my child and she was not being "disruptive".

I am also not accusing a CM of doing something "inappropriate".

There was no "verbal direction" given for her to be non-responsive to.

The child was not "unattended and unsupervised". I was right there. Her brother made an impulsive "ride in the front" request that split our group into 2 parts. That is no reflection on my opinion of my daughter's capacity to be unsupervised or unattended.

I found the reaction of the CM to be strange and irresponsible. I agree that BOTH should have been removed from line... I also think that big brother should have gone with her, which Im sure he would have done had I not been a few steps behind.

I think that if a child is removed from line for being disruptive and is with another child at the time, both should be removed and kept with a CM until the child or children is reconnected with the responsible adult and not just put outside the attraction into "general population".

Again, my intention was to let people know that it is a possibility for a child to be removed from line and left alone so if your child/children is riding a ride and they dont come off at the anticipated area in an appropriate amount of time, this is a possibility.

 

[princessallegra]

Why does nearly everyone feel the need to bash or be jerky? Some one even said "didn't happen"? Really? Im just making this up?

I was un aware that I needed to go breath by breath. My one son, Twin A, and I were first. We step up to the CM and answer "4" to the obligatory "How many in your party?" We are directed to the middle of the train which was right there by where the question was asked. We step into said line. Twin B says "Can we ride in the front?" and the CM directs them to the other line for those who are waiting on the front or back of the train. I see this and don't think any thing about it. My daughter is with my son. I am not allowing her to ride alone, she is with her brother. My daughter at that time says "I don't want to ride in the front" to her brother. (which Im sure was in a little sister whiney tone) The CM who is in charge of that line, then pulls her out of that line and takes her by the arm to the exit. I see this and leave Twin A in line. Twin B is still in line for the front. I follow a few steps behind. I am within earshot and he is saying nothing to her. She is now crying. She was not crying while in line. Whining yes, crying no. He puts her on the stone wall and turns and leaves. He says nothing to her and nothing to me. He does not tell her to wait here for your mom, he doesnt say ANYTHING! I go out the gate. I say to her "What was that about?" She said "I didn't want to ride in the front and he made me leave the line". I sit down on the opposite side of the wall. She is still crying. Another CM (a woman) walks and asks her "What's wrong? Did you not want to ride?" To which my daughter answers "I did, but not in the front row". The CM enters through the gate and nothing more is said.

Twin B did get reprimanded once he got off the line. As a parent, I chose to tend to the child in need before the child in trouble. Twin A was then allowed to ride EE again 3 more times with DD, in the middle of the train, while Twin B and I watched. Seemed like appropriate punishment to me.

Anyone else want to bash me or call me a liar?

Oh and I never said anything about expecting a CM to "babysit" my daughter, I just wouldn't expect one to set her free out in the park alone either.

My "warning" is that had I not been witness to this, I would have enjoyed EE, exited through the gift shop and where would my daughter have been? I would have no idea where she was. Its understandable that if you put a child on a ride alone, which I know is allowed, then you know to meet them at the exit. However, this is different because I put her on the ride with her brother and would have expected her to be there with him upon the completion of the ride.

So just knowing that it is a possibility might help someone else, that was my sole intention.

Geez.

Thanks for explaining I haven't read any more posts after this post of yours. I'm replying just to you. I'm so sorry your daughter had an experience like this. I do think that the power in the situation was in your hands when you chose to say nothing to the CM when he pulled her past you and you followed behind them. You also chose not to say anything to the woman cm. Finally you chose not to approach any CM at all after to ride and solve the situation. Therefore I don't understand what you expected to happen. I don't think the cm who put his hands on your daughter should have touched her. I don't think I could have contained myself.