Evening Magic Hours for Deluxe Guests Only

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That's really crappy to keep taking away from the value and moderate guests while maintaining early entry for off site guests.

Before the closure, there reports those resorts were offered EMH thru the end of 2021. So they probably had to include them or face legal actions. Will be interesting to see what happens next year.

And I’m wondering if others will be able to stay in the park for the deluxe extra hours. From the link above:

“Select attractions, merchandise, and food and beverage options will be available. Guests will need valid admission and a theme park reservation for the same park on the same day to experience extended evening hours. Or, Guests may visit with a ticket or annual pass with the Park Hopper option as long as they entered their first park where they made their reservation earlier in the day.”


This makes it sound (to me) like you need the deluxe reservation to actually be in the park for those hours. It doesn’t say to do the rides.
 
I'll repost something I wrote earlier to show that there once was a time when a WDW offered a good value.

Walt Disney envisioned Disneyland as a place for everyone to enjoy. Walt frequently spoke about providing his customers with "value", and DL was intended to be affordable (even if it was not cheap).

Still, Walt needed sponsors for the pavilions he was creating for the 1964 World's Fair, so he added a sponsor's lounge. The first hint of exclusiveness traces its origins to this 1964 World's Fair lounge.

Seeing the success of the World's Fair lounge, Walt wanted corporate sponsors for Disneyland to build more attractions. (Many of Walt's designs were expensive and reportedly Walt loved the idea of getting other corporations to pay for them.) Although Club 33 did not open until May 1967 (5 months after Walt's death), Walt envisioned Club 33 as a way to attract corporate sponsors to Disneyland.

Club 33 aside, Disneyland and Walt Disney World remained firmly targeted for America's working and middle class for decades. For example, when WDW opened in 1971, theme park admission was $3.50 ($24 in today's dollars), while an "Adventure Book" ranged from $4.50 to $5.75 ($30 to $40). (Admission and attractions were combined into a single ticket in 1982.) Together, admission and attractions cost today's equivalent of about $64. I doubt few would consider a $64 ticket to be cheap, but a ticket in 1971 (relative to household income) was a lot less than what it is today.

Hotel prices were similar. A room at the Contemporary or the Polynesian (WDW's first two hotels) started at $29 per night, about $193 today. Again, WDW never was cheap, but it used to be more affordable.

IMO, WDW's value peaked in 1982-1984. The MK was complete, Epcot was new, and a 4-day hopper ticket (they were not called hoppers back then) cost $45 (tax included). That's about $120 in today's dollars for a 4-day hopper ticket. That's less than a one-day no-hopper ticket today. Before the days of computers, hotel rates were simple, with typically one rate year-round. In 1982, you could get a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing room at the Contemporary for $75 per night, about $209 per night in today's dollars.

Just imagine paying $120 for a 4-day ticket and $209 per night to stay at the Polynesian!

Beginning in 1984, things changed. Walt Disney Productions was the target of a hostile takeover and paid a great deal to buy back its own stock. The Board Of Directors recognized that the company was vulnerable and that a change in leadership was needed. For the first time, they brought in an outsider as CEO: Michael Eisner.

It was Michael Eisner who first started pushing prices and stratifying Guests when he took over in 1984. (Keep in mind that Club 33 originally was intended for corporate sponsors, not Guests.) 1984 to 1988 saw record (for Disney) price increases. These increases not only affected ticket prices, but hotel prices as well. Hotels such as the Contemporary, Poly, and Grand Floridan (opened in 1988) were no longer modestly priced. For example, a Garden View room at the Polynesian or a Garden Wing at the Contemporary was up to $160 per night ($364 per night adjusted for inflation) during "Value Season" (most of the year) and $175 per night ($398) during "Peak Season" (Spring Break and Christmas). Again, only 6 years before, it was an inflation adjusted $209 per night year-round.

To resolve the increasing gap between onsite and offsite hotels, Disney opened the Caribbean Beach Resort in 1988. Effectively, CBR was Disney's first "Value Resort". CBR opening year-round rates ranged from $65 per night ($148 in 2021 dollars) for a parking lot view to $85 per night ($193) for a pool or lake view.

However, after just a few more years of price increases under Eisner, CBR was no longer a value resort and the gap between onsite and offsite hotels had grown once again. The All Star Sports and All Star Music were opened in 1994 to close this gap. All Star rack rates ranged from $69 per night ($122 in 2021 dollars) to $79 per night ($140). For reference, 1994 rates at CBR were $89 ($162) to $121 ($220) per night, while the Poly ranged from $210 ($382) to $325 ($590) per night.

Since 1994, it's been a fairly steady stream of price hikes that generally have been about twice the rate of inflation, and about twice the annual increase of median household income. Still, Disney started offering hotel discounts (I think in the 1990s), which offset much of the rack rate price increases. For example, All Star Music was as low as $59 per night ($88) in 2002.
This is awesome - thank you!
 
Before the closure, there reports those resorts were offered EMH thru the end of 2021. So they probably had to include them or face legal actions. Will be interesting to see what happens next year.

And I’m wondering if others will be able to stay in the park for the deluxe extra hours. From the link above:

“Select attractions, merchandise, and food and beverage options will be available. Guests will need valid admission and a theme park reservation for the same park on the same day to experience extended evening hours. Or, Guests may visit with a ticket or annual pass with the Park Hopper option as long as they entered their first park where they made their reservation earlier in the day.”


This makes it sound (to me) like you need the deluxe reservation to actually be in the park for those hours. It doesn’t say to do the rides.

Day guests have not been required to leave the parks during evening EMH's and I seriously doubt they'd change that now. That's a lot of money they're pushing out the door when they do and really, no reason to. Day guests tend to leave anyway for the most part once they figure out they can't ride anything and all there is to do is shop. They're very good at screening at the rides and turning away quests who aren't eligible to ride.

I was not happy to see them include off site guests in the morning hours when they first did it, but at that point they were already too crowded for us to use except to know which park not to go to for the day. Hopefully they'll drop them off when whatever contracts they have expire. It's just 30 minutes, but with it being at every park, it should spread the crowds out and actually be a good way to knock out 1 or 2 of the most popular rides and get a head start on the day. It sure can't be any worse than what the morning hours were before, at least not for us, because those were useless.
 
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I'm personally fine with it. I've often felt that beyond location (not including Animal Kingdom, of course), that the Deluxe resorts aren't offering enough to people staying in them--particularly in the standard rooms.

This may make the crush of people leaving the parks all at the same time a bit better some nights, which would be nice. And it really will only be some nights, since with the ever increasing night time hard ticket events they can't offer extra "free" nighttime hours too often. ;)

To me this is something I might take advantage of if I stayed Deluxe, but that wouldn't be enough to make me choose Deluxe over any other resort, and certainly isn't something I'll get riled up about if I don't get to have it. :)
 

I suspect most of you have seen this by now, but Disneyland Paris will be introducing (allegedly) "Disney Premier Access" in place of Fastpass.
 
The fact that the good neighbor hotels are getting the early entry perk tells me there will be another differentiation in regards to FP, paid or partially free for onsite Value and Mod guests.
I think the good neighbor hotels have a contract for early entry. Well see if Disney renews the contract.

All onsite guests will be able to enter 30 minutes early. That's one ot two rides. Deluxe also get evening hours. Are we sure Disney is going to give resort guests anything else?
 
Are we sure Disney is going to give resort guests anything else?

The only thing that's "sure" is what Disney has announced. Everything else is just speculation. And based on those credible posters discussing the failed tests of the new FP system, it's clear that Disney isn't even exactly sure of what system they'll be using or when/if a new system will commence.
 
It looks like early hours are for all resorts...

"we will be rolling out a new early theme park entry benefit for Disney Resort hotel guests"
Yes - they are - 30 minutes every day at each of the parks - as it stands now.
 
I think in general my biggest downside is that I just love Magic Kingdom at night and for me it's not so much about the quick rides as it is the beauty of the park at night. I do like the Poly very much but I also like Pop so it's just kind of sad that perhaps I can only see Magic Kingdom at night if I stay at Poly but not at Pop. I'm concerned that other than the mid of winter MK won't be open long enough to see it at night unless staying Deluxe. I have stayed at other Deluxes but just really like the Poly.
If they were having MK open to 9 for everyone and then 9-12 for Deluxe it probably wouldn't bother me too much but I fear they will close it for everyone else around 6 or 7.
The late hours for deluxe guests isn’t going to be every night.
 
The late hours for deluxe guests isn’t going to be every night.
I feel like it's only gonna be 2 days a week if we're lucky. And never magic kingdom or Epcot since there open late already. So maybe a rotation idk lol
 
I suspect most of you have seen this by now, but Disneyland Paris will be introducing (allegedly) "Disney Premier Access" in place of Fastpass.

Yes - they are introducing a pay for ride concept. Charge $8-$15 (American) per person, per ride for a fast pass. And, I think I heard they are introducing a "virtual que" for the standby line. Not something that excites me but I see them bringing back a fast pass system for a price.
 
But they can charge and arm and a leg for MK after-hours. Guess only time will tell

They can charge an arm and a leg for after hours at AK or HS as well. And btw, I would pay for all of them- they are amazing. But, they don't have those every night and easy to plan around them and as of right now, they don't exist with no plans to resume them. I think the MK is a sure bet to be included.
 
If guests are paying close to $200 for Boo Bash then it’s only a matter of time before paid FP for premier attractions becomes a reality... and we will pay it for some rides. In Paris I believe there is a limit to 3 per day - I imagine most guest would pay to ride Rise instead of waking up early, syncing the gov clock, refreshing our MDE and praying for a boarding group. I hate the idea but if that’s the only way to ride it then... I hope that some of these changes will not affect resort guests tho’. There has to be some real incentive to stay OP now. All of these changes mean different things for different guests but Universal has been charging for Express for some guests for a few years.
 
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