Essential/Nonessential vs. Safe/Not safe

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Oh I don't think for a second that any governor made that connection on their own - but I don't know of many areas where medical administrators weren't in close contact with the state governments about hospital capacity and ways to avoid overwhelming the facilities in a given area. Hospitals were absolutely making decisions about what kinds of admissions could be reduced and communicating that to the state administrations.

I get where you're coming from but yeah no I don't think the reason the liquor stores stayed open in my state is because of the concern in withdrawls..it's because the liquor stores comprise of so many locations which gives jobs (and aids the economy not only for jobs but sales tax which is really behind in a lot of areas already in my state) and those stand alone stores can participate in low risk sales especially now that they can do curbside which reduces how many people are in a store.

An alcoholic can still get their beer fix if that's their poison (up to 5.9%) in the grocery store if they want. They just can't get anything higher than that and hard liquor including wine (which is where the liquor store comes into play).

 

[wenrob]

I agree. They forget the 98% survival and even many with underlying conditions survive.

I have a girlfriend who’s grandmother got the virus. Ninety one, COPD and in a nursing home. Three strikes against her. She has recovered and is doing fine. I know three others, only one who was hospitalized (and high risk) but never in the ICU that are also recovered. These are the stories I remind myself of when I start to freak out a bit.

 

[SaintsManiac]

30% of the confirmed cases in my state have been hospitalized (1,091 hospitalized during the course of their treatment), with 163 of those currently in ICU. If I can avoid that, I certainly will.

Yeah I would like to avoid possible permanent lung damage and an enormous medical bill. I am not afraid of dying from the virus.

 

[siren0119]

I get where you're coming from but yeah no I don't think the reason the liquor stores stayed open in my state is because of the concern in withdrawls..it's because the liquor stores comprise of so many locations which gives jobs (and aids the economy not only for jobs but sales tax which is really behind in a lot of areas already in my state) and those stand alone stores can participate in low risk sales especially now that they can do curbside which reduces how many people are in a store.

An alcoholic can still get their beer fix if that's their poison (up to 5.9%) in the grocery store if they want. They just can't get anything higher than that and hard liquor including wine (which is where the liquor store comes into play).

Oh absolutely - as i mentioned in my previous post I am pretty sure the tax implication was a heavy influencer in the decision from a government standpoint. But the proposal to keep the liquor stores open at least in our area was also supported by the medical community as they were trying to prepare for the surge. Different goals, same end result.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Well it doesn't have to be black or white. Let those that are healthy return to work and allow them to frequent businesses sometime after June 1st. Those that need to can continue to shelter and socially isolate themselves.

Could work if we didn't have that sticky issue with test accuracy and availability.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well it doesn't have to be black or white. Let those that are healthy return to work and allow them to frequent businesses sometime after June 1st. Those that need to can continue to shelter and socially isolate themselves.

Being healthy and having a negative test isn't necessarily black and white either. The negative result only holds to the point of when the test was taken, it's not protection from being exposed or contracting the virus at all.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Our local news had a segment of the LARGE furniture stores deemed as "non-essential" vs the liquor stores. I felt their pain. How busy (# of customers) does anyone think a furniture store is going to get? It would be so easy to stagger, just call ahead.

Yeah it probably also depends on contact. If you think about a mattress a lot of people lay on the beds to try them out, getting a new couch/sectional,etc so I don't just think it's the amount of people that would be in a store but also the practicality of the items.

In my area we have Nebraska Furniture Mart (NFM), they've closed (though they could have stayed open) and even if you could stagger out appointments there (which would be a big undertaking) it would still leave a lot of physical contact points..tons of square footage in the store but tons of points of contact. We do need a new mattress honestly but I don't want to just go laying on a bunch of beds to try them out at this point. Now you can still order online or call and go pick up the item at NFM as they have a huge pick up area where you don't get out of your car at all (for free) or you can have it delivered (free or extra charge depending on the item(s)).

Other such places may not be as easily set up for less contact pick up, it's pretty easy for the employee at my local liquor store to go to my car with a six pack than it would be for an employee in a mattress store without a large pick up location to bring the mattress out to someone's car.

 

[lorimay]

Thankfully not everyone dies from this virus.....
But its like playing Russian roulette, you just don't know until you catch it!

 

[jlwhitney]

I have a girlfriend who’s grandmother got the virus. Ninety one, COPD and in a nursing home. Three strikes against her. She has recovered and is doing fine. I know three others, only one who was hospitalized (and high risk) but never in the ICU that are also recovered. These are the stories I remind myself of when I start to freak out a bit.

I am so glad they are all doing well! We need more of this in our news.

 

[TLSnell1981]

What are the causes of a faulty result?

 

[Brett Wyman]

Being healthy and having a negative test isn't necessarily black and white either. The negative result only holds to the point of when the test was taken, it's not protection from being exposed or contracting the virus at all.

Of course not. Thats why the healthy only go out. The rate of complications with health people without preexisting conditions is much much lower. Not zero sure. But most can handle an infection.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Thankfully not everyone dies from this virus.....
But its like playing Russian roulette, you just don't know until you catch it!

Even young healthy people can die from this like the sailor from the aircraft carrier earlier this week. Some are willing to take that chance. And certainly there are other considerations. But no one is "safe" from this virus.

 

[jlwhitney]

Thankfully not everyone dies from this virus.....
But its like playing Russian roulette, you just don't know until you catch it!

you could say that to so much in life though. Life is a risk.

 

[lorimay]

Well it doesn't have to be black or white. Let those that are healthy return to work and allow them to frequent businesses sometime after June 1st. Those that need to can continue to shelter and socially isolate themselves.

I pray by June 1st, most of this is behind us and we can continue our lives.

 

[cabanafrau]

Of course not. Thats why the healthy only go out. The rate of complications with health people without preexisting conditions is much much lower. Not zero sure. But most can handle an infection.

Probably. It's harder to believe in that once you are personally aware of a case that doesn't fall within any of the expected parameters and a healthy 20-something is dead. Not sick enough to be tested. General cold-type symptoms for a couple weeks. Consults with doctor, including one day before death where all the indicators of recovery were talked about. Next day wake up with difficulty breathing and are gone before EMS arrives.

Once it's not so abstract it's not so blithely dismissed.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

What are the causes of a faulty result?

The best guess right now is low viral load at the time of the test. Apparently we do not have a test anywhere in the world that can consistently detect the virus if the patient has a low viral load. So, early on in the infection, or after symptoms have subsided, it is very hard to detect.

Add the fact that some patients are infected much longer than others and it creates a mess. There is one American soldier in Korea who was positive for 7 weeks before he recovered sufficiently to produce 2 negative test results in a row. 7 weeks.

 

[spiders]

This is a situation where nobody can win. There is no solution where everybody is going to say "Yes! That's the right answer!" Some people will be happy, some people won't.

Everyone has their own personal level of risk that they are willing to accept. Unless what someone else is doing is illegal or directly affects you then it's really none of your concern. You cannot control what other people are going to do and should you choose to voice your dissatisfaction with someone else, chances are likely that they won't care and will move on.

 

[luvsJack]

I know of no states that have banned emergency surgeries.

I don’t either. But for appendicitis, the ideal way is to treat it or remove it before it becomes an emergency.

Dh had his removed several years ago. But prior to them removing it, they treated it. It would be better for awhile and come back. The last time he went to the ER with it, he almost died before the surgery. It should have been removed before it was an emergency.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I don’t either. But for appendicitis, the ideal way is to treat it or remove it before it becomes an emergency.

Dh had his removed several years ago. But prior to them removing it, they treated it. It would be better for awhile and come back. The last time he went to the ER with it, he almost died before the surgery. It should have been removed before it was an emergency.

Everyone is different. Most people never reach that point. But the doctors are still making that call.

 

[L&Lfan]

This is a situation where nobody can win. There is no solution where everybody is going to say "Yes! That's the right answer!" Some people will be happy, some people won't.

Everyone has their own personal level of risk that they are willing to accept. Unless what someone else is doing is illegal or directly affects you then it's really none of your concern. You cannot control what other people are going to do and should you choose to voice your dissatisfaction with someone else, chances are likely that they won't care and will move on.

That’s my attitude toward any posts in any thread here on the dis.