EDITED TITLE: Should DVC Owners get more Perks?

[Sandisw]

Yes, that makes sense. But it still could be used as a marketing incentive to buy DVC for people who can't take advantage of APs.

I am sure DVD would love to have that ability to help with sales but like all incidental benefits, they have to negotiate with others and why they can’t be guaranteed…plus, there are rules on those programs in FL timeshare law.

I don’t know if DVD has to pay DPEP for allowing DVC owners to be able to purchase the Sorcerer Pass. If they do, that could also be why regular ticket deals are tough to get…any costs would have to come from the marketing budget.

 

[Sammie]

I am sure DVD would love to have that ability to help with sales but like all incidental benefits, they have to negotiate with others and why they can’t be guaranteed…plus, there are rules on those programs in FL timeshare law.

I don’t know if DVD has to pay DPEP for allowing DVC owners to be able to purchase the Sorcerer Pass. If they do, that could also be why regular ticket deals are tough to get…any costs would have to come from the marketing budget.

Exactly. So many members wrongly think all DVC has to is ask for it to be given to them. Just like DVC or rather DVD has to pay to use the parks for Moonlight Magic.

 

[J-Dog]

I am sure DVD would love to have that ability to help with sales but like all incidental benefits, they have to negotiate with others and why they can’t be guaranteed…plus, there are rules on those programs in FL timeshare law.

I don’t know if DVD has to pay DPEP for allowing DVC owners to be able to purchase the Sorcerer Pass. If they do, that could also be why regular ticket deals are tough to get…any costs would have to come from the marketing budget.

Yes. Again that makes perfect sense. I agree that it would be an uphill battle.

Simply out of curiosity, does any data exist/made public as to what percentage of DVC owners have/had AP's?

 

[Sammie]

A reasonable suggestion...whether or not hotel guests got their free parking back. Myself and many others have been publicly calling for changes here and urging people to share their ticket frustration with DVC.

Problem with tickets right now is that Disney seems unsure of where they want to go. For at least 20 years--perhaps the entirety of DVC--members have had SOME discount on park admission. But that's not the case now. (Aside from the ability to renew existing Sorcerer passes.)

IF Disney reopens AP sales to DVC members, I don't think there will be a discount on MYW tickets. The AP was long viewed as an incentive to drive add-on point sales and overall spending. Members buy an AP for 2 trips and suddenly find that they want to squeeze in a third, which necessitates buying another contract or purchasing OTU points.

If this is the new normal for the pass holder program, I think it would behoove DVC to press for a MYW discount or some new ticket that better caters to members. Unfortunately, that's largely out of DVC's hands.

We bought in 2000 and there was no ticket discount. The free passes ended in 1999 and they had not decided at that point to offer another discount. We got a few dining and merchandise discounts.

 

[J-Dog]

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[AdamsMum]

I'd like to see us be able to park hop earlier. I don't understand why Disneyland is getting this and not WDW.

 

[Sammie]

It doesn't seem like both of these things can be true.

actually, that is why I said or rather DVD. DVD pays for Moonlight Magic.

 

[J-Dog]

actually, that is why I said or rather DVD.

Yeah. Sorry. I deleted the post once I thought about it.

 

[Chuck S]

Yes. Again that makes perfect sense. I agree that it would be an uphill battle.

Simply out of curiosity, does any data exist/made public as to what percentage of DVC owners have/had AP's?

I'm sure DIsney has that info, but they rarely make such things public knowledge.

I'm going to guess that the vast majority of DVC members, who have 350 points or more, unless they routinely rent out their points, or use them for things other than DIsney trips. At least pre-COVID.

I've had an AP since long before we ever got a special price, way back when they were a laminated card with our photo on them, and before the electronic turnstyles for park entry.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This doesn't even make sense.

If you're making a special trip without using your points, then how are you using the waitlist?

Or are you saying that some people "save" their points just for special occasions like this? I'm doubtful that many people who live far away are saving their points, hoping for a "last-minute" trip - when they will potentially miss out on ADR's and rooms at anywhere other than SSR. Again, people who can run down to WDW for a couple of days will do this, not people from California (for example).

The waitlist part was in relation to your complaint about 11 month booking. You can put in a request for a waitlist at any time. Sometimes it comes through sometimes it doesn't.

I don't know if some people save their points but I don't think that's what would actually happen in any measurable amount. Some may move their trips if they can though I could see that happening to line up with the preview or events and that I could also see wait listing (and depending on the amount of points they have forgoing the other trip)

However, you're stuck on that if there is a DVC event you must stay on DVC points in a DVC resort. In order to attend DVC events you do not have to be staying in a DVC room. Many people do attend and stay where ever they choose. Some people may rent points to stay in Deluxe or pay cash for it, people stay all over. There's Swan and Dolphin, the Disney Springs resorts, etc not going to name all the places. My point was for the people who want to attend these events, get a reservation for these events, they figure out ways to get down there and stay there. If you were able to make it to them especially multiple of them I doubt you'd say they aren't perks.

I would argue that the DVC events, if we're using Chuck S's opinion that they help drum up more buyers, would be best suited for the out of state guest who either wants more points for longer trips (or specific accommodations) or who wants to do add on contracts. The local DVC member may be distally close but doubtful IMO the target for the acquisition of more points.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes. Again that makes perfect sense. I agree that it would be an uphill battle.

Simply out of curiosity, does any data exist/made public as to what percentage of DVC owners have/had AP's?

That isn’t something we have ever seen. My guess is less owners have them than those that don’t.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'd like to see us be able to park hop earlier. I don't understand why Disneyland is getting this and not WDW.

Every guest should be able to park hop earlier in fact no parking hopping restriction should exist.

Even APs are still beholden to 2pm at WDW. The difference is they don't have to have a park reservation to do so except for MK on the weekends where they still will need one. Although this is not effective yet and no date has been announced for it. For DLR they are moving the park hopping up to 11am. It was already 1pm (vs 2pm at WDW).

But really the park hopping thing devalues those of us who purchase parking hopping the most. We do not get the full value of the costs associated with it. There may be crossover with DVC members who do not have APs but it's related to ticket media that you need to purchase an add on to allow you to park hop and yet there's a time restriction to it. They have no adjusted the cost to account for the lost of hours you have to park hop either (and I don't expect a company to do so, just pointing that out).

 

[J-Dog]

The waitlist part was in relation to your complaint about 11 month booking. You can put in a request for a waitlist at any time. Sometimes it comes through sometimes it doesn't.

I don't know if some people save their points but I don't think that's what would actually happen in any measurable amount. Some may move their trips if they can though I could see that happening to line up with the preview or events and that I could also see wait listing (and depending on the amount of points they have forgoing the other trip)

However, you're stuck on that if there is a DVC event you must stay on DVC points in a DVC resort. In order to attend DVC events you do not have to be staying in a DVC room. Many people do attend and stay where ever they choose. Some people may rent points to stay in Deluxe or pay cash for it, people stay all over. There's Swan and Dolphin, the Disney Springs resorts, etc not going to name all the places. My point was for the people who want to attend these events, get a reservation for these events, they figure out ways to get down there and stay there. If you were able to make it to them especially multiple of them I doubt you'd say they aren't perks.

I would argue that the DVC events, if we're using Chuck S's opinion that they help drum up more buyers, would be best suited for the out of state guest who either wants more points for longer trips (or specific accommodations) or who wants to do add on contracts. The local DVC member may be distally close but doubtful IMO the target for the acquisition of more points.

I think that we are arguing two completely different points.

Yes. Obviously out of staters can finagle a way to make it happen. It is harder to do that then drive over from Tampa for the weekend. That's my point.

If I was making up a perk, which was point of this thread, it would be equally useful for everyone.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think that we are arguing two completely different points.

Yes. Obviously out of staters can finagle a way to make it happen. It is harder to do that then drive over from Tampa for the weekend. That's my point.

If I was making up a perk, which was point of this thread, it would be equally useful for everyone.

What in the earth do you expect them to do so that you can make it, you personally can make it?

As I already stated it is equal they do not restrict access. You may have some events that have more out of staters and some that have more FL residents. It's available to all however. You may think it's easier to get there from Tampa but that's just geography. You don't have a clue that a FL person could get off work any easier than someone else. And for a weekend? ETA: The DVC event for Guardians was on a Monday (the one I went to at least).

There won't be pleasing you on this I'm afraid.

 

[J-Dog]

What in the earth do you expect them to do so that you can make it, you personally can make it?

As I already stated it is equal they do not restrict access. You may have some events that have more out of staters and some that have more FL residents. It's available to all however. You may think it's easier to get there from Tampa but that's just geography. You don't have a clue that a FL person could get off work any easier than someone else. And for a weekend? ETA: The DVC event for Guardians was on a Monday (the one I went to at least).

There won't be pleasing you on this I'm afraid.

See. Once again. Different points. If you think that someone from far away has equal usage of a single specific event that is announced with 2 or 3 months ahead of time, as they do from a DVC discounted MYW ticket, then this argument is pointless.

 

[john7994]

Exactly. So many members wrongly think all DVC has to is ask for it to be given to them. Just like DVC or rather DVD has to pay to use the parks for Moonlight Magic.

Not sure why DVC members need to think about this at all to be honest. I do agree that we as members or as potential members should know what was bought / or might be buying into at the time of purchase including all provisos and restrictions - current and what may be taken away in the future. But I don't really care, nor should I care how hard it is for Disney entities to argue amongst themselves in order to squeeze out a benefit/perk for a so-called premium product involving their self-identified "luxurious" Deluxe Resorts- especially when some of these benefits/perks were provided in the past. (and in disclosure - I am a current out of state, DVC Member without an option to obtain an AP).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

See. Once again. Different points. If you think that someone from far away has equal usage of a single specific event that is announced with 2 or 3 months ahead of time, as they do from a DVC discounted MYW ticket, then this argument is pointless.

Here's the thing though without any events just for DVC members you would say "well what's in it for me" "what perks can I get". It's one thing to say "it sucks I haven't been able to do these events" it's another to say "these are useless, unequal perks just because I haven't been able to do them"

When these events go live people jump on to reserve them. You think someone from Tampa can get there quicker but you don't take into consideration whether or not they actually got a reservation for it. Or whether or not they care to go. You're merely considering that someone can get in the car and drive but you don't take stock into the process for these events which includes registering for your spot. And being in-state in no way means you have any priority over the spot you get in line to reserve your spot.

My DVC DISer friend was well on top of things for the Guardians preview and I don't have the initial number in the queue she was but at one point she said she had 4,400 people in front of her in the queue line. That's just to get in to see which date (which I think there were two for DVC) and time was available. The AP and the DVC previews did get sold out. As far as I know Moonlight Magic is same process although I don't know sold out vs not sold out.

 

[DonMacGregor]

can you guys take a little break? I need time to pop another batch...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I am a current out of state, DVC Member without an option to obtain an AP

You can't purchase new but then again no one can. Only the lowest FL resident is available to get new. If you have an existing one you can continue to renew.

 

[john7994]

You can't purchase new but then again no one can. Only the lowest FL resident is available to get new. If you have an existing one you can continue to renew.

Yes - I am painfully aware - but appreciate your well-intended desire to add clarity/help!
My disclosure of my circumstance was an illustration of a benefit/perk of owning DVC (discount), that I would like to see return (along with AP sales themselves) but not needing to care about how Disney makes it happen behind the scenes (in responding to another poster).