EDITED TITLE: Should DVC Owners get more Perks?

[tjkraz]

Second, I already suggested a perk earlier in this thread that fits all of your criteria: Regular ticket discounts for those of us that can't use DVC-discounted AP tickets. Clearly, you didn't read all my posts.

A reasonable suggestion...whether or not hotel guests got their free parking back. Myself and many others have been publicly calling for changes here and urging people to share their ticket frustration with DVC.

Problem with tickets right now is that Disney seems unsure of where they want to go. For at least 20 years--perhaps the entirety of DVC--members have had SOME discount on park admission. But that's not the case now. (Aside from the ability to renew existing Sorcerer passes.)

IF Disney reopens AP sales to DVC members, I don't think there will be a discount on MYW tickets. The AP was long viewed as an incentive to drive add-on point sales and overall spending. Members buy an AP for 2 trips and suddenly find that they want to squeeze in a third, which necessitates buying another contract or purchasing OTU points.

If this is the new normal for the pass holder program, I think it would behoove DVC to press for a MYW discount or some new ticket that better caters to members. Unfortunately that's largely out of DVC's hands.

 

[cgard87]

Okay, call it what you want. But that doesn't change the fact that DVC points did get free parking, and now everyone does. Therefore, it's no longer a specific DVC benefit compared to everyone else.

It certainly doesn't hurt us, as DVC owners, for the "regular" WDW resort-goer to get an extra perk. But it would sure be nice if some of these new waves of "improvements" that Iger is doing would add something just for us.

Why would Disney give DVC any additional perks? They already have you committed to years of Disney vacations!

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Yeah...well...it seems like half the threads on the DIS are people loving to bash Disney, and half are full of Disney apologists. I, for one, haven't figured out which is which...or why. Maybe it's just random, depending on the week. In the case of this thread, it seems to me that the apologists are out if force, and are mad at me for daring to suggest that Disney offer us more...

I was referring to the post regarding charging stations. Not yours. Sorry that wasn't clearer.

 

[mort1331]

WAIT....OT....DID SOMETHING GET ANNOUNCED FOR TRON PREVIEW,,,have not seen,,,im there late march and hoping,,but have not seen anything

 

[erionm]

WAIT....OT....DID SOMETHING GET ANNOUNCED FOR TRON PREVIEW,,,have not seen,,,im there late march and hoping,,but have not seen anything

They have announced that there will be preview opportunities for AP & DVC. Actual preview and registration dates have not yet been announced.

 

[Sandisw]

Yeah...well...it seems like half the threads on the DIS are people loving to bash Disney, and half are full of Disney apologists. I, for one, haven't figured out which is which...or why. Maybe it's just random, depending on the week. In the case of this thread, it seems to me that the apologists are out if force, and are mad at me for daring to suggest that Disney offer us more...

I do not think anyone is upset you are saying you wish there are more perks, but trying to help you to understand the difference in how parking is treated differently at DVC resorts and cash hotels.

I really don’t get the term Disney apologists simply because they see membership extras as a bonus and content with what is offered when it is.

 

[heynowirv]

I don't get why folks with EVs expect others to pay for Chargers. I want free gas for my SD PU!!!

A wish is NOT an expectation..... Please Don't Dominate The Rap Jack......

 

[J-Dog]

In that respects I would disagree with you. I paid attention a lot for the Guardians preview as we would be down there during that time. I was actually able to do the preview for DVC as it didn't require all guests attached to the preview (since you could have X amount of guests with you) to be DVC members like the AP previews did (which is a perk IMO for DVC).

Absolutely 100% people come from all over for both the moonlight magic and the previews. People make special trips for them. In fact my DISer friend who has an AP and DVC immediately said she was contemplating making a trip for Tron.

Some of that relates to how the previews work. For example for the DVC one you didn't need to secure a park reservation for it, one came with it for Epcot and was added to the DVC member's profile. So it made it easier to come in for just that trip.

Okay, but it is exponentially easier for a local to make it to a preview, compared to someone like me who would need to completely change my vacation time, hope my boss approves that revised time-off schedule, change plane tickets, etc. And all that with less than 11-months' notice - what are the chances of getting a full week or 2 somewhere? These "perks" cater to the DVC-owner that visits for 2-3 days multiple times per year, rather than the person who visits for 2 weeks every other year.

A reasonable suggestion...whether or not hotel guests got their free parking back. Myself and many others have been publicly calling for changes here and urging people to share their ticket frustration with DVC.

Problem with tickets right now is that Disney seems unsure of where they want to go. For at least 20 years--perhaps the entirety of DVC--members have had SOME discount on park admission. But that's not the case now. (Aside from the ability to renew existing Sorcerer passes.)

IF Disney reopens AP sales to DVC members, I don't think there will be a discount on MYW tickets. The AP was long viewed as an incentive to drive add-on point sales and overall spending. Members buy an AP for 2 trips and suddenly find that they want to squeeze in a third, which necessitates buying another contract or purchasing OTU points.

If this is the new normal for the pass holder program, I think it would behoove DVC to press for a MYW discount or some new ticket that better caters to

That makes sense. I appreciate the logical argument. Still doesn't hurt to hope, and I agree that it's worth asking for.

I was referring to the post regarding charging stations. Not yours. Sorry that wasn't clearer.

Sorry. I misunderstood.

I do not think anyone is upset you are saying you wish there are more perks, but trying to help you to understand the difference in how parking is treated differently at DVC resorts and cash hotels.

I really don’t get the term Disney apologists nor those that get really upset either that they don’t do more.

So, basically, it's okay to debate the chances and/or potential for new perks, but not okay to compare it to a perk given (or in this case, renewed) to another group. Thanks for the info. Seriously, thanks.

 

[New Mouse]

I think posters actually have a point about the theming of the the hotel rooms with respect to DVC although I understand it's just a modern adjustment and not everyone is upset over them. Removal of things related to deluxe resorts I can understand the viewpoint there but over time companies do these things. You won't necessarily always have the same entertainment available for decades and decades.

I wouldn't expect the same entertainment for decades but I would expect the same quantity of entertainment. Keep in mind of the ones I specifically mentioned, all but 2 actually cost money to attend.

At what point do we stop calling DVC resorts Deluxe in the marketing? While location is certainly part of it, Riviera, SSR and OKW do not have premium locations. Start to remove amenities and lower the quality of the restraints, which has started to happen in many locations, what do you have left?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Okay, but it is exponentially easier for a local to make it to a preview, compared to someone like me who would need to completely change my vacation time, hope my boss approves that revised time-off schedule, change plane tickets, etc. And all that with less than 11-months' notice - what are the chances of getting a full week or 2 somewhere? These "perks" cater to the DVC-owner that visits for 2-3 days multiple times per year, rather than the person who visits for 2 weeks every other year.

How many locals ARE DVC members? Because there's a big difference in being IN Orlando and being IN the state of FL. I've been trying to tell you that these events are well attended by out of state DVC members. That DVC members, yes out of state ones, do make special trips for these events.

You're confusing people making a trip using their points booked far in advance vs making a special trip down there because they are DVC members eligible for an event. Sometimes it lucks out and you're already there or you can finagle a day here and there but from what I saw it was a lot of people making a trip down there once they've secured their spot. So yes they are like you, they just make it work however they need to because they want to be there for the preview.

Your reasons you give would be the same reasons for D23 previews, AP previews and Golden Oak previews (admittedly distance isn't an issue there but time off would be). It's not like my AP friends that live in Orlando can just drop everything either they have jobs too. It will always take someone having the means to get there and have the time off but that is irrespective of where you live.

 

[Sandisw]

Okay, but it is exponentially easier for a local to make it to a preview, compared to someone like me who would need to completely change my vacation time, hope my boss approves that revised time-off schedule, change plane tickets, etc. And all that with less than 11-months' notice - what are the chances of getting a full week or 2 somewhere? These "perks" cater to the DVC-owner that visits for 2-3 days multiple times per year, rather than the person who visits for 2 weeks every other year.


That makes sense. I appreciate the logical argument. Still doesn't hurt to hope, and I agree that it's worth asking for.

Sorry. I misunderstood.

So, basically, it's okay to debate the chances and/or potential for new perks, but not okay to compare it to a perk given (or in this case, renewed) to another group. Thanks for the info. Seriously, thanks.

Of course, you can compare things. It’s just that parking isn’t something that goes into that category of benefits.

Parking lots at the DVC resorts are the responsibility of owners since we own them and as explained, we did not get charged the additional fee because Disney had no legal authority to charge owners to use something they didn’t own…

So, when it came to parking, there wasn’t anything to compare since DVc resorts are not owned by Disney.

 

[J-Dog]

How many locals ARE DVC members? Because there's a big difference in being IN Orlando and being IN the state of FL. I've been trying to tell you that these events are well attended by out of state DVC members. That DVC members, yes out of state ones, do make special trips for these events.

You're confusing people making a trip using their points booked far in advance vs making a special trip down there because they are DVC members eligible for an event. Sometimes it lucks out and you're already there or you can finagle a day here and there but from what I saw it was a lot of people making a trip down there once they've secured their spot. So yes they are like you, they just make it work however they need to because they want to be there for the preview.

Your reasons you give would be the same reasons for D23 previews, AP previews and Golden Oak previews (admittedly distance isn't an issue there but time off would be). It's not like my AP friends that live in Orlando can just drop everything either they have jobs too. It will always take someone having the means to get there and have the time off but that is irrespective of where you live.

Just because they are well-attended by out-of-state DVC owners, that says nothing about what percentage of out-of-state DVC owners would even consider something like that.

And, isn't that contradictory to your second point - that out of staters will "make a special trip" without using their points? How many DVC-owners from far away from Florida are making a special, short-notice trip to WDW and paying cash for a room? Not me.

If your argument is that DVC is happy with these perks because they are well-attended, then I agree. My point is that these particular perks do not cater to all DVC owners equally, in the way that a DVC-discounted theme park ticket would.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I wouldn't expect the same entertainment for decades but I would expect the same quantity of entertainment. Keep in mind of the ones I specifically mentioned, all but 2 actually cost money to attend.

At what point do we stop calling DVC resorts Deluxe in the marketing? While location is certainly part of it, Riviera, SSR and OKW do not have premium locations. Start to remove amenities and lower the quality of the restraints, which has started to happen in many locations, what do you have left?

Hmm quantity is not the same in my book because you could have 5 different things but they all are just so-so and you could have just 2 maybe 3 things that are really really good. These are generalizations not aimed at what you specifically mentioned.

But I do understand where you're coming from. I don't think you're going to get a removal of Deluxe attached because they are not on the same level as Mods or Values.

Riviera is connected to the Skyliner with direct access to Epcot that is def. a location pro and has access via a stop to DHS. Yes POP and AOA as well as CBR also have access but these resorts themselves are not high up in touches, food options, etc. SSR is right by DS although I'll give ya that's not exactly a huge location pro. OKW being the original with also the largest rooms sets it apart. I know a decent amount of people have a love of OKW while others do not see the appeal.

 

[J-Dog]

Of course, you can compare things. It’s just that parking isn’t something that goes into that category of benefits.

Parking lots at the DVC resorts are the responsibility of owners since we own them and as explained, we did not get charged the additional fee because Disney had no legal authority to charge owners to use something they didn’t own…

So, when it came to parking, there wasn’t anything to compare since DVc resorts are not owned by Disney.

Again thanks. I edited the title of this thread to remove the parking thing. That was an error on my part. I've moved past that to just considering new perks.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Just because they are well-attended by out-of-state DVC owners, that says nothing about what percentage of out-of-state DVC owners would even consider something like that.

And, isn't that contradictory to your second point - that out of staters will "make a special trip" without using their points? How many DVC-owners from far away from Florida are making a special, short-notice trip to WDW and paying cash for a room? Not me.

If your argument is that DVC is happy with these perks because they are well-attended, then I agree. My point is that these particular perks do not cater to all DVC owners equally, in the way that a DVC-discounted theme park ticket would.

What I hear is you're in a situation in which you're not as able to attend these events and as such you don't think they are any perk worth mentioning for DVC. That is not the same for every DVC member however.

As far as cash goodness I think you need to do more research for things. One there's putting in waitlists (one of my DISer friend's her waitlist for next week came through a week or two ago), two there's looking for discounts, three there's staying off site or at Disney Springs, 3rd party sites availability, etc. This isn't a narrow field like you only have to stay in DVC accommodations. That may be what you determine is the only way to do these events but from so many comments people are not like you in that respect. They will come down for them and stay where every they decide.

Disney does target equally to all DVC members, if they didn't that would be like saying only those living in FL can go to these events leaving out all out of state DVC members or the reverse where only out of state DVC members are eligible. Disney cannot, nor any company for that matter, be responsible for someone's occupation, time off and means to travel. That's an unrealistic complaint in my book.

 

[Sandisw]

Just because they are well-attended by out-of-state DVC owners, that says nothing about what percentage of out-of-state DVC owners would even consider something like that.

And, isn't that contradictory to your second point - that out of staters will "make a special trip" without using their points? How many DVC-owners from far away from Florida are making a special, short-notice trip to WDW and paying cash for a room? Not me.

If your argument is that DVC is happy with these perks because they are well-attended, then I agree. My point is that these particular perks do not cater to all DVC owners equally, in the way that a DVC-discounted theme park ticket would.

Since ticket and AP deals are all decided by DPEP, and do go against their divisions profit/loss and goals, IMO, I that’s one of the reasons why we havent seen more ticket deals vs, the AP deal that had been in existence before the current situation.

As long as that division is selling tickets and getting the parks filled, they have less of a reason to make a deal with DVD for discounts on admission media,

But, it does seem like they can find something in between that might benefit more owners than just the AP. Like I said, even selling DVC owners ticekts foe the bulk rate they give the third party sellers would be awesome.

I think it’s also why they do not automate the DVC and AP discounts at the cash registers because plenty of people may not even ask.

 

[J-Dog]

You're confusing people making a trip using their points booked far in advance vs making a special trip down there because they are DVC members eligible for an event.

One there's putting in waitlists (one of my DISer friend's her waitlist for next week came through a week or two ago),

This doesn't even make sense.

If you're making a special trip without using your points, then how are you using the waitlist?

Or are you saying that some people "save" their points just for special occasions like this? I'm doubtful that many people who live far away are saving their points, hoping for a "last-minute" trip - when they will potentially miss out on ADR's and rooms at anywhere other than SSR. Again, people who can run down to WDW for a couple of days will do this, not people from California (for example).

 

[J-Dog]

Since ticket and AP deals are all decided by DPEP, and do go against their divisions profit/loss and goals, IMO, I that’s one of the reasons why we havent seen more ticket deals vs, the AP deal that had been in existence before the current situation.

As long as that division is selling tickets and getting the parks filled, they have less of a reason to make a deal with DVD for discounts on admission media,

But, it does seem like they can find something in between that might benefit more owners than just the AP. Like I said, even selling DVC owners ticekts foe the bulk rate they give the third party sellers would be awesome.

Yes, that makes sense. But it still could be used as a marketing incentive to buy DVC for people who can't take advantage of APs.

 

[Chuck S]

Okay, but it is exponentially easier for a local to make it to a preview, compared to someone like me who would need to completely change my vacation time, hope my boss approves that revised time-off schedule, change plane tickets, etc. And all that with less than 11-months' notice - what are the chances of getting a full week or 2 somewhere? These "perks" cater to the DVC-owner that visits for 2-3 days multiple times per year, rather than the person who visits for 2 weeks every other year.

Yes, living in Texas, I miss almost all the special events and ride previews, since I generally plan my trips during the 11 months window, well before events are announced.

BUT, that made the few events I was able to catch over the years, like special seating at Wheel of Fortune tapings with a bus picking us up at OKW, or special seating for live shows at the American Gardens Theater, that much more magical.

Remember that these events are not paid for by our dues, but are arranged through DVD advertising to try to sell more direct points. If these things came out of our dues, and I couldn't attend, I'd probably be upset. But since I'm not paying for them...then I'm happy other members can enjoy them, and maybe some day one will be planned again during one of my trips.

 

[J-Dog]

Yes, living in Texas, I miss almost all the special events and ride previews, since I generally plan my trips during the 11 months window, well before events are announced.

BUT, that made the few events I was able to catch over the years, like special seating at Wheel of Fortune tapings with a bus picking us up at OKW, or special seating for live shows at the American Gardens Theater, that much more magical.

Remember that these events are not paid for by our dues, but are arranged through DVD advertising to try to sell more direct points. If these things came out of our dues, and I couldn't attend, I'd probably be upset. But since I'm not paying for them...then I'm happy other members can enjoy them, and maybe some day one will be planned again during one of my trips.

Yes. Exactly.

I'm glad you got to see something special, and I too would love to attend these.

I never said that they were bad, I was simply suggesting a new perk that would be equally useful for all DVC owners.