ECV Problem in another forum

[Cheshire Figment]

So far, and on page 5, this thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2890936 has been remarkably calm.

There is a video of a woman on a rented ECV in Dinoland Play Area with her child standing and driving, and almost running over another child.

If you want to make any comments on that thread, please do so in a way that the Moderator there will not have to take any actions. He has twice commented to keep things calm without closing it, and he said he has only had to edit one post.

 

[cm8]

So far, and on page 5, this thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2890936 has been remarkably calm.

There is a video of a woman on a rented ECV in Dinoland Play Area with her child standing and driving, and almost running over another child.

If you want to make any comments on that thread, please do so in a way that the Moderator there will not have to take any actions. He has twice commented to keep things calm without closing it, and he said he has only had to edit one post.

Thanks for posting

 

[Michigan]

It makes me so mad when I see people with kids in their lap on the rented scooters. Not to long ago I saw a man with a toddler on his shoulders while driving a scooter rented from Walker. I wish Walker and Apple had reps in the parks to observe people not following their rules that they signed for when they rented it. If they did and fined them for not following the rules maybe word would spread and people would stop.

 

[Bete]

within Disney policy to allow scooters on these ramps in the Dinoland area?
I wouldn't think scooters are allowed, here.

Also, shouldn't a Disney cast member be watching and saying something to anyone using a scooter with two people on them? I would think that poses a liability and it's an accident ready to happen. Since it's on Disney property I would think they have some authority here, regardless, if it's their rental scooter or not.

 

[bedogged]

So far, and on page 5, this thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2890936 has been remarkably calm.

There is a video of a woman on a rented ECV in Dinoland Play Area with her child standing and driving, and almost running over another child.

If you want to make any comments on that thread, please do so in a way that the Moderator there will not have to take any actions. He has twice commented to keep things calm without closing it, and he said he has only had to edit one post.

I'm not trying to defend what happened, but I watched this video twice. Was the little girl hit or was this a close call? The camera went off at what would be the point of impact and then you see her back and what looks like her walking at the very end. I never heard any crying? Just wondering?

 

[buffettgirl]

I don't think she was hit (I only read part of the thread). I think the father was just surprised to see this fast moving ECV coming up on his two year old, and the ECV didn't see her at all, and in fact whizzed by the father at the end, cutting off the child.

I'm also a bit surprised that it was allowed on the ramps there. You wouldn't go to a playground and expect to see an ECV hauling right through where kids are playing. I can certainly understand making the ramp wheelchair accessible for a child who might be able to slide down, but the ECV seems to have no reason to be there.

And doesn't that really defeat the purpose of having a play ground if you're going to shuttle your child up the ramp instead of making him walk??????? And then..where did the ECV go after? did it have to turn around and go back to the bottom?

 

[bedogged]

I don't think she was hit (I only read part of the thread). I think the father was just surprised to see this fast moving ECV coming up on his two year old, and the ECV didn't see her at all, and in fact whizzed by the father at the end, cutting off the child.

I'm also a bit surprised that it was allowed on the ramps there. You wouldn't go to a playground and expect to see an ECV hauling right through where kids are playing. I can certainly understand making the ramp wheelchair accessible for a child who might be able to slide down, but the ECV seems to have no reason to be there.

Thank you for your information. After reading some of the posts, it seems like the ramp IS handicapped accessible and that it is a pathway to the "bone yard" so it continues on beyond the slide. It looked to me like the person on the scooter was going on beyond the slide and the child was going back to the slide. Thankfully, there were no injuries!

 

[buffettgirl]

In the video you can see that the scooter cuts in front of the father, closest to the slide, and the child is heading in the same direction. If the scooter driver had seen the child she wouldn't have cut her off that way. She would have gone behind the father, away from the slide, if in fact she was planning on going to the boneyard.

I guess in this case, if you're an adult operating a machine in an area where kids are expected to be running free and wild then the burden is on you to make sure you're not running over any kids. In other words, a 2 year old behaving appropriately in the playground with her parents properly supervising her (top and bottom of slide) should not have to be responsible for watching out for moving vehicles. And the parents, I believe the father when he said he just didn't expect the woman to go whizzing up.

 

[dclfun]

We were recently at AK and my grandkids LOVE the boneyard, so we spend lots of time there. Until my dd went up the ramp with one of my grandsons I didn't know there was a sand play area up there. I sat at the bottom of the ramp, watching kids run up and down, accessing the slide, etc BUT was encouraged by several CM's to use the ramp to join my family. It IS there for accessibility. We were getting ready to leave anyway so I didn't try it, but it's plenty wide for someone riding in a mobility device and a child to pass on the other side. Of course the kids aren't looking where they're going and are usually bouncing off the walls. I can see accidents happening both ways. Sometimes people driving such a device aren't able to stop easily on an incline. It would be great if a parent would accompany a toddler or a child too young to understand about "getting out of the way" but sadly most parents sit down and let their kids run wild in there. I witnessed some pretty scary things that day, including a child about the age of 9 who scaled the rocks and could easily have been killed if he fell. Where were his parents? Who knows. I haven't seen the video yet but am glad to hear that this child's father was with her...here's to responsibility!

 

[Cheshire Figment]

Kathy - Post #1 in the thread I linked to has the video.

 

[Talking Hands]

I was there today with my grandson and allowed him to go up the ramp or stairs on his own and then slide down to me. He had a blast. I did have to go slow with all the kids running about. I went up with him several times but it became too painful for me to continue. I have to say that he is very careful being next to the chair walking or riding on my footrest. He knows he is not allowed to touch the controls and that Nana must hold him or his harness while moving. It was very crowded and I wouldn't go up the ramp in the pwc. Just to many kids running up and down willy nilly being kids.

 

[BroganMc]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. From the video it appears the scooter driver was following the toddler up the ramp then at the top the little girl veered off to the side and the scooter driver continued straight.

I've never been in the Boneyard Playground myself as I figured it was a no wheelie zone. (I'm not in the habit of driving around playgrounds either.) But I've followed toddlers up similar ramps before. Only egregious thing I can see is the driver having a child in her lap. Was the dad just freaked out because he didn't expect to see a wheelie in there or is there more to the geography of the place I don't get?

There seemed to be plenty of following distance for the child. I've been given far less just driving down Main Street and I'm still able to stop and avoid collisions.

 

[Chickenlady]

BroganMc

 

[Cheshire Figment]

If you looked at the video you would have seen a toddler standing on the ECV in front of the driver, with her hands on the controls! Having a passenger on an ECV is a violation of the rental agreements and also is a safety violation that is prohibited in the manufacturer's operating manual.

 

[Chickenlady]

Cheshire, BroganMc did mention the problem with the toddler on the scooter. And yes, this is a BIG no-no.

 

[Beccabunny]

The child's father wasn't actually with her. He was at the top of the ramp, filming her, mother was at the bottom of the ramp, child was running up the ramp by herself. I know he kept saying, repeatedly, that she was an "advanced" two-year-old, but all I saw in that video was a typical two-year-old running up the ramp, and I would not expect her to be able to look for oncoming vehicles as she crossed from one side of the ramp to the other. A paretn should have been walking with her. The woman on the ECV absolutely should not have been driving with a child on her lap, but I was very annoyed that the father saw what appeared to be a fast-moving ECV and didn't bother to put down the camera and protect his child. Even a slow-moving ECV would not have been able to stop for a child that runs right out in front of it, and that's what this little girl did. Also, if this is an accessible ramp, the woman on the ECV had every right to be there to assist her child and enjoy being with her, just as much right as the father who was up there just to get a good camera shot.

 

[Schmeck]

I thought it was against disBoard policy to allow links/threads about other threads into another forum.

 

[SueM in MN]

I thought it was against disBoard policy to allow links/threads about other threads into another forum.

It's not against the disBoard policy.

Here is a link to the policies
http://www.wdwinfo.com/boardfaq.htm
The REASON for the link could be a problem. If the person posting the link is doing it to get others to slam people on the original thread or to get others to cause problems - that is a problem and is not allowed.

The OP on this thread did not advocate for a position, just informed posters of the other thread and asked posters to be respectful in their replies to that thread.
The posters on both threads have basically posted the same things - that people need to be careful on both sides and that driving an ECV too fast for conditions or with a child in the lap was wrong.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The child's father wasn't actually with her. He was at the top of the ramp, filming her, mother was at the bottom of the ramp, child was running up the ramp by herself. I know he kept saying, repeatedly, that she was an "advanced" two-year-old, but all I saw in that video was a typical two-year-old running up the ramp, and I would not expect her to be able to look for oncoming vehicles as she crossed from one side of the ramp to the other. A paretn should have been walking with her. The woman on the ECV absolutely should not have been driving with a child on her lap, but I was very annoyed that the father saw what appeared to be a fast-moving ECV and didn't bother to put down the camera and protect his child. Even a slow-moving ECV would not have been able to stop for a child that runs right out in front of it, and that's what this little girl did. Also, if this is an accessible ramp, the woman on the ECV had every right to be there to assist her child and enjoy being with her, just as much right as the father who was up there just to get a good camera shot.

Seems to me...the woman with the child improperly in her lap, would have used better judgement and SLOWED DOWN when appoaching a 2 year old on a ramp!


AKK

 

[buffettgirl]

Seems to me...the woman with the child improperly in her lap, would have used better judgement and SLOWED DOWN when appoaching a 2 year old on a ramp!


AKK

I agree, since we can assume that the woman on the scooter was not, in fact, also 2 years old and had the benefit of many years of good judgement to go by. Regardless of if this was an accessible ramp or not, the ADULT in this situation had no regard for a little child in her path. That she happened to also be on an ECV only makes it more dangerous. If an adult was running up that ramp and plowed over a kid we'd all be yelling "Wow, he should have looked out!" not "boy, that 2 year old was careless".

I think the 2 year old (and the parents) had EVERY right to allow their 2 year old to be running up a ramp in a child's play area. They were properly supervising her - with one parent at top, one at the bottom. The only time she was unattended was running up the ramp, which she was fully capable of handling. Just because the ECV also had the right to be on the ramp does not mean that her rights outweighed the fact that this IS a child's play area and that ANY adults in that area need to be watching out for kids running loose. That is what the kids are supposed to be doing in this spot. Getting their energy out, running around, being free of their stroller or free from holding hands with their parents as they must do the other 90% of the time when they're in Disney.

On the other hand, if the 2 year old was running up and down an accessible ramp in another area of the park, a ramp specifically designed to be of use to those in WC or ECV then the situation would be flipped. I would be saying that the parents should have not expected that an ECV rider would be anticipating that a small child would be in her path and that allowing a child to play on a ramp like that was not what it was intended for and that the responsibility was theirs to ensure that their child wasn't in the way of a vehicle.

For the love of Pete,I really can't see why this is an issue.