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I think a lot of the issue comes becuase some people with them think they own the place, and run over people, and just be bullies/jerks. I think some of the judgements about people who may not look like they need one I call the walmart effect, go to Walmart, and see a person who had no issue walking into the store then suddenly need one because they are too fat to walk around the store while buying horrible food. Not judging just saying.

You are judging. You, out of all of the rest of the people on earth, are somehow able to tell by looking at someone if they are heavy because of a medical condition, or if they are heavy because they are lazy. That is what you are telling us. Not that it is any of your business either way.

Wow.:sad2::rolleyes::sad2:
 
I hurt my knee a few yrs ago before one of our trips and would not use one. A little pride, a little worried because I was healthy except for my one knee!I had a shot in my knee before I came and I could walk stiff legged ! LOL! So... I went and struggled to keep up with the family, sometimes in pain, sometimes slowing them down, and sometimes stopping because I couldn't go any further! I look back now and see I should have gotten one! I would have enjoyed my trip a lot more and so would have my family!

This is EXACTLY what I was planning to do, but I will rent an ECV. I hurt my knee in June just 5 days before our scheduled trip, but could not walk, so we postponed it. I am better now, but nowhere near 100%. I have been so worried about what it will look like. I have no cast and only a slight limp, but the knee has and can "give out" on me at any time. I use a crutch at home, but walking with a crutch for miles is unrealistic. My wife has encouraged me to rent a scooter, but I feel like I can tough it out. Its also been hard to accept that I need help. But after further consideration, I will just accept my temporary mobility issue and rent the scooter.
 
You are judging. You, out of all of the rest of the people on earth, are somehow able to tell by looking at someone if they are heavy because of a medical condition, or if they are heavy because they are lazy. That is what you are telling us. Not that it is any of your business either way.

Wow.:sad2::rolleyes::sad2:

Please stop feeding this person :)
Your support and reasonability means you do not need to engage with those who do not deserve our time and energy.

All I ask is that one day they get to spent a day in a wheelchair or ECV and then see why nobody would make this a first preference ::yes::
 
People should use the tools best suited for their needs. Whether that is a stroller for an older child, an ECV, or any other available means to make their trip more pleasant for all.

Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise. I always find it interesting that the people who complain the most about rude behavior manage to exhibit so much of it!

This is your time and your vacation -- no one else's. Enjoy it!
 

yes, some people will judge you...people judge. I will be judged for being a bad parent while we are there, by people who have never met me, and know NOTHING about me or my family, our invisible struggles...That's ok ;)

It's taken me almost 40 years to care a little less about what people think about me, I'm a consummate worrier and people pleaser. I hope you rent one if you need one, and do your best to not give a flying fig about what anyone else thinks!!!!

:cheer2:
 
My mother cannot walk well due to a botched knee replacement that ended up with her having to have a quadruple bypass back in 2005. This is something that she has been struggling with for almost 10 years, and at the time of the surgery she was only 44.

We went to Disney together in 2007 and she had to use an ECV for the trip. Cutting a long story short, basically, I have never had so little hope for humanity. The entire trip was overshadowed by complete strangers passing judgments on my mother. Whether it was because getting her on the bus took a little longer than they would've liked or the nasty looks she got while we were brought to the front of the line (that was still happening then) to the people just cutting in front of her and even the things people said. I kid you not, there was a man with a family (I'd say early 40s, 2 relatively younger children (8ish...?) who actually shouted at my mother right before bag check at the MK: "watch where you're going FAT ***! Get out of the thing and walk why don't you?!?" It was so awful and I remember being so enraged that I started crying. My mom is very sensitive about this and believe me, it took a lot for me to get her to the parks after that day. Some people are just so judgemental and awful. Like I mentioned, I've never been so disappointed with people and the general public as I was that trip. So sad.

That being said: She has been back twice since that happened and decided she was not going to allow others to ruin her WDW trips, which she had been taking ever since 1971. She had learned to let it roll off her shoulders and enjoy the magic of being there. So, OP: use that ECV and don't let anyone get to you the way that my mom and I let it get to us that first time around. WDW is so much more than the guests, that's for sure.
 
People should use the tools best suited for their needs. Whether that is a stroller for an older child, an ECV, or any other available means to make their trip more pleasant for all.

Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise. I always find it interesting that the people who complain the most about rude behavior manage to exhibit so much of it!

This is your time and your vacation -- no one else's. Enjoy it!

:thumbsup2
 
I am in a bit of high risk pregnancy and I may have to use an ECV. I was going to make a cute little sign if I have to rent one that says just that, so I don't have to deal with dirty looks. Just a thought if you are concerned.
 
I am guilty as charged of judging people using ECVs. When you think about it, though, you never know that person's situation. It could be someone that otherwise looks healthy but has something you may not see like arthritis. It's really none of my business, and I shouldn't judge.

What does annoy me though, is when a large group, either lots of people,
ECVs, or strollers, blocks the path for the more agile park visitors. It's just inconsiderate.
 
I haven't read all the messages in this thread yet, but wanted to point out one difference I noticed last time from the prior trips. Previously, the bus drivers were not supposed to help you park on the bus at all. They could give directions, but couldn't touch the scooter.

This last trip, the bus drivers typically asked me to just drive on the bus into the aisle, then take my key and transfer to a seat. They push the lever to put it into neutral and then push the scooter into place and strap it down. One driver mentioned some kind of new training in how to park them. Since most people don't need an ECV in daily life, and parallel parking is never easy, this does usually speed up loading.

So if you are concerned about having problems parking on the bus, in general you don't have to worry about that anymore.
 
This is EXACTLY what I was planning to do, but I will rent an ECV. I hurt my knee in June just 5 days before our scheduled trip, but could not walk, so we postponed it. I am better now, but nowhere near 100%. I have been so worried about what it will look like. I have no cast and only a slight limp, but the knee has and can "give out" on me at any time. I use a crutch at home, but walking with a crutch for miles is unrealistic. My wife has encouraged me to rent a scooter, but I feel like I can tough it out. Its also been hard to accept that I need help. But after further consideration, I will just accept my temporary mobility issue and rent the scooter.

I am so glad! :thumbsup2 Your family and your knee will appreciate it! LOL!
Disney cost to much money to go and not enjoy it! If you get stiff from sitting and need to walk a little, let your wife rest some and use it. It's your vacation! pixiedust:
 
I would like to mention that, unfortunately, people are people whether they ride or walk. And a certain portion of people, riders and walkers, are a-holes. Walkers will feel entitled to pass judgement on what other people deserve and make comments, and riders will feel entitled to special treatment and not drive considerately. Also, some people are just incompetent at daily life -- Walkers will not be paying attention and walk right into you, even if you are sitting parked. Riders will drive too fast or get confused in crowded conditions and sometimes bump into people. That's just life.

So, since you are going to have to deal with all those entitled and incompetent people anyway, whether you are on foot or in an ECV, you might as well do whatever makes the trip more comfortable for you. Rent the ECV, practice before you get into crowds, and enjoy your trip! (And try not to fall in either group :) )
 
My mom has used an ECV for the past few trips. She can walk short distances but really struggles with a long day of walking at the parks due to a tendon issue in her ankle. She typically will park the ECV and then go through the line (if it's not too long, like 15 minutes or less) on foot, however, on our past trip, she encountered CMs at Haunted Mansion and Kilimanjaro Safaris who would not let her park, but made her take the ECV through the line. :confused3

It was okay, but it did mean waiting for the special truck on the safaris because we had to use the "ECV/wheelchair" loading dock, which actually doubled our waiting time compared to what was happening in standby. She also didn't enjoy taking it in the Haunted Mansion stretching room because of the crowd of people she didn't want to bump into!

So sometimes ECVs can be a hassle, but if you need one, you need one. Don't worry about what others say.
 
As long as you don't use it to run over little children (yes I have seen this once at DHS). I doubt anyone really cares. I think you may be thinking you'll be getting dirty looks because of "special treatment" but their is no special treatment as far I can tell, unless you count boarding a bus first special treatment? My father used an ECV once the only time I felt bad about it was the amount of room they take up, but than again so do strollers I figured.

Either way as others have said do what works for you, if your not gaming the system, breaking the rules, or being a true ***** than no one has any right to judge. Enjoy your trip :)
 
OP, by all means, rent a scooter to meet your needs.

I should not post here...

But we've been in your shoes. It's sort a easy to say you should shouldn't care about rude comments, but another thing entirely to be in the middle of them.

When a very healthy family member (also very slender) suffered an injury a few years back, mostly using the scooter was great...During some moments it was a trial.

It wasn't just other guests that made comments The shocking thing was that some CM's were unkind. More than once, CM's refused to permit her to enter the handicapped queue. They told her she HAD to park it outside the ride. I mean, more than once we entered a ride right behind another patron in a scooter, and they were not asked anything. We weren't in a mood to fight, so we just did our best. It was pretty clear the CM's she was faking. It was a bit un-magical.

On subsequent trips, we've seen folks struggling to maneuver them. One tricky spot is the monorail. The spacing can be tight, especially if they have to load two scooters in one car. I recall one woman nearly in tears because she just couldn't figure out how to make hers go the way she wanted. Knowing the monorail was loaded, waiting to go....We assured her she was fine, and tried to help, but it was quite clear, she was close to tears. Nobody was rude, it was just a tough situation.

My family member too, also found that her injury made her more tired than usual.

Oh, and one more thing about the monorail- Make sure the monorail operators know where you want to exit- before you load. If at all possible, when you reach your stop- have your daughter play advocate. A CM has to carry over a metal ramp before scooters can unload. CM's are supposed to call ahead, but the system is not 100%. A few times we ran into issues. The best bet is to have your daughter kind of stand in the doorway kind of waving her arms until a CM arrives with the ramp. Otherwise, if you miss your stop, you might have to go around the whole monorail loop, which takes quite a few minutes. And then you'll still need someone to flag down a CM! I'm sure plenty of folks scooter on the monorail solo, but we found it useful to have someone with the scooter.

Still, we found the monorail was easier than the buses.

Our crazy solution we stumbled upon, because my injured family member could stand for very short periods, was to sometimes discreetly swap. When an older family member got in the scooter- nobody gave us flack. Truly. Though the elder member in our family was perfectly healthy. It was only when our injured family member was using it that we got some looks. So sometimes the best solution was to let the older family member retrieve it.

This might not be a solution that works for this op, and others may hate it, but it helped us avoid the emotional drain of dirty looks. Which made our visit better.

I think adults, like children- can sometimes get over tired, or over stimulated at WDW. If anyone in our family has an injury, it helps if we don't try to do too much. We take more breaks than we normally take, we took a slower pace than we normally take, and we see more shows than we normally see. The lady I described on the monorail confessed that she was tired. A family ember explained it was arrival day, and they'd traveled a long distance. They were returning from dinner at GF.

So maybe make a pack with your daughter. You'll do what you can do, but when you say you've had enough, it's her job to respect your wishes. It might be a good way to preempt disappointment.
 
A few more points to add.

Every single bus driver in February had me drive onto the bus and then sit down, and they then manoeuvred it into position and locked it off. Getting off, they moved it into position facing down the ramp and then I got on and drove it off.

On the 3 times I went on the monorail with the scooter, I was asked as I got on where I was getting off, and they obviously called ahead because as we pulled into said station I saw a CM waiting with the ramp ready to let me off.

NOT ONCE did I get any looks or snide comments while I was in the scooter. I don't know whether it was the very obvious hobbling/waddling I did once I got up or the fact I'm overweight (which should actually have NOTHING to do with anything), or whether it was my 'don't mess with me' aura I transmit!
 
In Feb of 2013 on a trip with my DD16 at time - she was on an injured ankle, it was a year old injury and we didnt know until after she got back form the trip she had a torn ligament and tendon (surgery followed). First day of trip she started limping, second day we tried crutches we had with us. Half way thru that day we got her a wheelchair. Yes there were looks, but i didnt care - we enjoyed Disney and she wasn't in pain the whole trip. This August (in 2 weeks!!) we will be there and now it is my turn - I was just diagnosed iwht Arthritis in my Hip and awaiting an Ortho consult and MRI to see what else is going on. I know already I will not make it thru the parks for 6 days without pain and being cranky. My mind is already headed to renting an ECV if needed. It will make my vacation better and probably the people around me too! Let them look at me funny, let them grumble. I will happily rent one so I can fully enjoy my vacation if needed.
 
Use the ECV! The last two time we went with my mom we rented one for her (she's almost 70 and not very active). The first time we rented through Disney and the 2nd time from an outside company. We found the bus drivers very patient and helpful.

I'm shocked at the horror stories in this thread. I'm embarrassed for humanity.

We got a dirty look and some comments a few times. But, that was deserved because my mom almost ran into people on two occasions. So, be sure to practice a little before you try and maneuver through crowds.
 
Have I rolled my eyes when a guest in an ECV rolled up? Yup. But.....it wasn't the ECV per se. It was the group of 10+ with that guest on the ECV. I knew they weren't about t split up. They never do. So, those of us that had just missed the previous bus, and had been standing there waiting in the heat for 15 mins, now got to wait longer and then not find a seat. That's what annoys me.
Now....I have spent an evening at Epcot with a friend who uses an ECV. She has her own personal one, so she is very experienced. It was really eye opening to spend just 5 hrs with her. It was almost as if we had become invisible. People cut in front of her, stopped short without looking. Comments were made, eyes rolled. It was incredible.
The one thing I do recommend is to drive it around a bit before heading to a park. Try backing up into a specific spot, try backing up in a narrow space, etc. you will be glad you did. I remember the time I was waiting in one for the Candlelight Processional. There was a woman that was on an ECV banging into everyone...she was completely clueless. Her son was apologizing to everyone around them, saying 'She's new to this...so sorry, oops, sorry. Sorry! Mom, be careful...oops, sorry!' My issue? Why the heck was she 'practicing' in a hugely crowded place? Just stupid.
Or, the person charging up behind me on Main St, in MK, hitting the bell/hon on her ECV, yelling 'Make way, need to get through, move over, coming through!' Seriously? It was shoulder to shoulder people there....why was her need to move faster more important than anyone else's need? I think those are the people that make it so hard for others on ecv's!
And of course,mothers are those people that sit in the seats that are designated for those riding ecv's or such. If the driver asks them to move, to accommodate another guest, some get very testy. I have seen some that have actually argued with the driver. Amazing.

So long story short? If having an ECV is going to make it possible for you to go to WDW and actually enjoy it.....get that ECV. Be prepared for some rudeness. Most people are understanding. But, you can't fix stupid..those that've rude enough to stare, scowl, make comments, aren't worth the effort to be concerned about.
 
Will this post be removed, I put an apology up earlier on because I apparently offended someone and I added a few points that I made sure could not offend, if this kind of censorship goes on then this isn't for me.
One point was that Florida law requires the bus driver prioritises those in wheelchairs/ECV's etc. However, a guest who uses one, but, turns up the same time as the bus when there is long queue of people waiting for up to 30 minutes (or more) can refuse to be boarded at that time, in 10 years at WDW I have seen that happen twice, if you are uncomfortable with looks and you are in that situation why not do that? You are sat down and it would be appreciated, the same with large groups, Disney asks nicely for groups of 6 or more to split up and I have never seen a group do that ever. By the way, solo travellers get plenty of stares and looks too, especially when waiting at a M&G.
 
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