Economy, Good or Bad

I'd say here things are in the middle. My husband has a job (same one for 8 years) but no pay raises for the last 3 years until a small one this year. Last year he didn't get a bonus and our take-home pay went way down last year with increases in health care costs and social security. He has a job and I'm thankful. I have friends who can't find work. Not really specialized work but things like working in an office as assistants or medical offices helping in the front office.

In the mean time, all other expenses are going up. So what we have left over, after expenses each month, is way down. If we sold our house now we would lose about $70,000.
 
We have friends who have lost jobs. It seems to really depend on what line of work you are in and how employable you are.

My husband's work has not laid off anyone in his office, but as people leave, they haven't fully replaced all of them.

Two people were fired, but they would have been fired in good times too as they were simply not good employees. Those two may blame the economy, but that isn't the case.

Dawn
 
The economy is not completely in the dump, but it's not great either. We're experiencing a bit of a boom in the apartment building field, but that is in part due to all the people who have lost their homes and also pent up demand from 2009-2012 when developers couldn't get financing (despite demand for their product). The high price of gas (almost $2 a gallon more than it should be adjusted for inflation) is still taking a $3-5,000 bite yearly out of every household both in direct costs and indirect costs, and that is money that is not finding it's way back into the economy.

Edit: on the plus side, I did recently receive my first raise in over 6.5 years.
 

Things aren't good for us or really in this area I don't think. But again I guess it depends on where you work.

I haven't had a raise in 6 years, but our health insurance goes up every year!
We also still have to take furloughs, two 1 week furloughs this year. I'm seriously considering getting a part time job besides my full time job! (I haven't been able to find a different full time job, but have been looking. I really like my job, but going without a raise this long is getting bad!)

DH on the other hand is working overtime at his job.

Sorry to the OP about your cut in hours, sometimes I can see this coming at my work.
 
Things in our area seem to be good again. Houses are being built, new neighborhoods and businesses are starting. My DH started getting yearly bonuses and large raises again. Restaurants/stores/movie theaters are packed every weekend. House prices are rising. Everything here seems to be picking up. We live in the north western suburbs of Philly.
 
I think there are pockets of the economy improving and other areas are still economically depressed. Where we live things have improved, although I feel like the cost of living has outpaced any economic gains. I make twice as much as I did six years ago, yet I feel broke. I work in finance, so I keep on top of our budget and it seems like just the daily expenses like food, gas, utilities have sky-rocketed.

The city we moved from six years ago is still suffering from a week economy. We still own a house there and are still underwater on the mortgage. We've been renting the house out at a loss since we moved. It's a write-off, but someday I'd like to be able to get out from under the burden of a second mortgage and being a landlord.
 
DH and I have not had job loss/problems. I am self-employed and while I have work, my income has not increased in the past couple of years. I'm glad it has at least remained steady. For us, we seem to have less and less extra cash. I think it is because while our income has increased very little, the cost of things has gone up. We have spent more in gas and groceries than we did a couple of years ago, even though our lifestyle has not changed. We have cut back on vacations and other fun, because the cost of just living takes more of or pay. So, I'm not feeling any improvement in the economy. I feel worse off.
 
Just wanted to say that if you are really losing money on the house and still paying taxes on the income you really need to have someone look at your taxes. Rental profit is taxable (rent received - expenses). if you pay more to keep the house than you make in rent you should owe no taxes on the income.

Our mortgage is not considered an expense according to the IRS. The only thing we can deduct is the repairs to the home, etc. I have talked to several tax professionals and unfortunately we don't have any other options. (We do deduct our mortgage interest though). Most people rent a home for more than their mortgage which is how it can be profitable but we are lucky just to be able to rent the home period. Thanks for the advice though.
 
While my siblings and I have stable jobs, I have seen the problems my nieces are having.

My oldest niece and her SO both have Master Degrees in geology. When she started on her Masters, there were plenty of jobs in her field. Now the companies are either not hiring or laying off. They had to move in with my brother and SIL as the job my niece found was not enough to cover rent and bills. Her SO recently got a job in the field so they will be moving into their own place. My niece is trying to get a position in the college she graduated from.

Her sister has a marine biology degree. She spent a year as an observer on fishing boats (the stories she told made me shudder) before finding a job on land. Both her and her SO share a house and maintain a decent standard of living.

My sister lost her flower shop during the downturn but found a job in retail management. Her husband had lost his job when the chain he worked for went bankrupt. He has found a job after 2 years of looking. Not in the same field but he makes enough that they can pay their bills and maybe get a little ahead.

My DH has been at his job 28 years. He is a one man department and they seem to love him. I have been at my job 6 years and make good money. While the job is stressful, I want to keep it since I know how tough it is to find a similar position (I am in HR).
 
Well for us personally, the economy was never bad, other than becoming underwater on our home, in spite of having 20% down when we purchased it. DH hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years because the union and his company can't reach an agreement, but I've gotten a 3.5% annual raise for the last 14 years. DH and I both still get bonuses. My employer is paying for my schooling, I'll graduate with an AS in Biz Admin next spring.

Meanwhile the housing market is slowly coming back, we may hit the above water point this year if things continue to go well. By the time we are ready to sell in a few years we might even have enough to cover selling costs.

Of all the people I know, only one got laid off and he worked in the mortgage industry. Because he keeps looking for jobs in the same industry, he's had a tough time finding something (but that's his own dumb fault IMO, he should be looking at other industries!). Another friend of mine left a teaching job in FL to move back to IL to be closer to her family and it took her 4 years to find a teaching job (just got one this school year). She subbed the whole 4 years to make ends meet. Everyone else I know has been doing fine.

But I know that's not true for many, there is still a lot of pain out there.
 
I live in Texas (no state income tax) & there are several businesses building to open new stores in the town I live in. The local hospitals seem to be always expanding & looking for qualified people. I work for oil & gas company and our company is constantly drilling. Since where there is a boom a bust does follow .... DH & I are still conservative with spending. We don't have any vacations planned for the next 2 years (will be using vacation time next year for projects around the house - this years vacation time has all been taken/used in January to be with mom while she was in hospice). We have had blessings amongst sadness
 
I have really, really mixed feelings on this one. A lot of places around me are hiring for the first time in forever, so that's a good thing. But they're all minimum wage jobs with little or no room for advancement. The jobs that used to pay a decent living aren't coming back. If we run into one more licensed builder or plumber or electrician we know working at Lowes/Home Depot/Menards I might just cry. These guys have skills but the housing collapse has rendered them all but worthless, and now they're on food stamps and medicaid and just trying to keep from losing their homes.

Our household is a similarly mixed bag. DH and his partner are busy - they're not getting many calls for new estimates but a long-term project for a repeat customer will keep them working for the next few months. It isn't particularly lucrative work, though, because the jobsite (the customer's vacation home) is far enough away that gas and lodging are eating into the profits. Better than nothing, of course, but not what we're used to making on a project of this scope. And like everyone else this winter's heating bills are kicking our butts; we've had two months of bills that were more than double last year's. But the ACA is a huge help for us; our after-subsidy premium is 20% of what we were paying. And DH got quite a few extra hours at his fall-back part time job because he was on call for snow removal, which helped offset those ridiculous heat bills a bit.


I think that coming from Michigan/Detroit, as I did and looks like the PP does, we may have a different view on the economy than a lot of the rest of the US. Since 2008, Michigan has been very slow to recover, and that is right - anyone can get a job at Target or Home Depot for $9.00/hour. That is not even close to being able to provide for a family.

I was born and raised in Detroit/west suburbs, and became an adult in the mid-1990's when the economy was booming, brokers were practically paying YOU to buy a house, and there was no way I would have believed that my $13-15.00 hour job as a 18-25 year old would go away or that I would not have been able to find another one. I even QUIT that job when we built our second house because it was too far to drive the hour commute up US-23 to my new tiny little town in the country and I wanted to be closer to DS during the day who was only 2 at the time. DH was making better money than I was so we could afford for me to work for DS's daycare for $9.00 hour...after all, I was saving daycare tuition (employee's children were free) AND the gas, wear and tear on the car, etc from driving in town instead of dodging potholes, roadkill, and crazy drivers on I-96, right??!!

Great plan, except DH worked in the car industry. When that collapsed (thank you GM, for being the sole driving economic force in our area :crazy2:) in 2008 and DH frantically tried to find work and was let go 3 more times in two years because the companies he was hired for downsized, went bankrupt, or just stopped paying their employees, and I couldn't get a job because we lived in an area where all employment was scarce, not just my field, after scores of applications I was only able to score an interview/job with Target stocking their shelves at 4am, and house after house in our brand new sub were foreclosing and we lost over $100K in value of ours, we knew we had to do something.

We picked up, took a huge financial hit and sold our house for practically pennies (most likely would have lost it anyway with the way things were going), and moved to Illinois - Chicago's west suburbs. Best decision we could have made. It was tough, letting go of our beautiful house that we built and made ours, where the next 2 children were born, and the only home oldest DS had really ever known, but we knew we had to do it for our future and for theirs. I landed a job exactly 1 month after moving here, and, because it wasn't exactly my dream job (CS call center), it did allow me to get back into the swing of the corporate world, and 5 months later, I was hired by my current company where I have had three promotions and a solid career. Same with DH.

Meanwhile, back home in Michigan, the job market is still pretty stagnant, and people are still living in homes that are nowhere near the value of what they bought them for. I think it is getting *better*, but not nearly as fast as the people need it to, and not as fast as other parts of the country. So, when asking "do you think the economy is good or bad?" it really all depends on where one lives and what experience they have/do have.
 
In my field (IT), in my area (Northern CA, not Silicon Valley), things are definitely improving as far as jobs being available. There were NO job postings in my area for years, now there are lots of postings for someone with my skills. I have been casually looking for another position, and I have at least an 80% call back/interview rate for resumes I send in - I haven't had a hit rate like that ever in my career. I recently turned down two offers that just weren't right for me in the long run.

That all said, many of the positions are not for the type of money I am looking for. They all agree my experience and skills makes me worth the kind of money I want, and that I am exactly the type of person they want and need, but it's just not what they targetted the position for. Funny how companies want the the best of the best, but think they can get it for a lower than the industry average salary :upsidedow But I think salaries will start to move upward more rapidly soon, because places are starting to realize they need to pay better to get the quality of talent they really want - it's not the market it was 3 or 4 years ago where people would jump at any job offer. My current company seems to have awoken to that to a degree, and seems to be more interested in upping salaries and other compensation at a faster rate for current, highly valued employees.

One thing that I will say, though, is that you need to have a current job in the field to generally get considered for a similar position at another company. Unfortunately, in IT there is a perception that if you are out of the work force for more than a few months, that there is probably a reason you were let go and haven't been able to find another position. That's not my feelings, it's the vibe I get from talking to hiring managers and HR folks. (Personally, having had a stint years ago where I was out of work for 2 years through no fault of my own, I know it's ridiculous.)
 
I would say we are worse off.
Dh was working full time nights and part time mornings.
The pt morning job offered him a salary position, making 50% more than what he made at his full time night job. He did overnights for 2 yrs so he jumped at the chance to work days. :thumbsup2
This company is owned by someone he's known and worked with/for over the past 30 yrs. He got laid off about 6 weeks ago. Unemployment is nowhere near what he was making. He has been back to work a couple of days here and there but no permanent call back in sight.
We tried twice to refinance and Chase totally disregarded us after making us jump though hoops...VERY unhappy with them.
My job is stable; although I had my OT taken away, and since we have to PAY this year for Federal taxes (my fault) I had to adjust my pay so this won't happen again....now I'm down about $100 a week. Ugh.
 
Personally, things are going alright right now. My husband got a raise a few months ago and then his boss came back and gave him even more of a raise. Our health insurance premium did not increase this year.

Not only that, we are moving next week and our rent is decreasing $100 a month and our commuting costs are dropping about $200 a month. The internet costs are also dropping another $25 a month. Because we are moving much closer to civilization, I should be able to get a part-time job for some extra money in the fall. As it is, we are able to live somewhat below our means on my husband's salary alone and even further below when we move.

What has gone up is propane. It has more than doubled since last year and it is painful, let me tell you. Unfortunately, the new rental is also on propane. Looks like I will be investing in thermal curtains at the very least...

I will say that we do not trust that things will be good forever and are sticking with the plan of continuing to stay far away from any kind of debt, reduce our expenses, and putting away a lot of money in savings for when the other shoe drops.

Most of my extended family is employed at stable jobs. There is only one who has talk of layoffs in his department, atm. A few years ago, this situation was very, very different for my family.
 
My thoughts
1. there were a lot of people making a lot of money as companies could pay... a lot of these companies are gone and no one wants to take a pay cut. Those who still have the jobs that pay are doing a lot more and look for other jobs as they are unhappy and find they will not be paid what they currently make.
2. a lot of people were/are being replaced with people they can pay less and responsibility now being shared with those who remain.
3. no/little raises and hours being cut

Is the economy improving???? I think it is at the end of making an adjustment and it will be a long while (next boom) before people will enjoy the higher salaries of the past.
My wife and I-- My raises have been small or non but my insurance (family) has not been raised and I pay little for this otherwise it would be free for just me. My wife has received cost of living increases every year as in 2-3% and her bonus pays out between 95% and 110% every year but the bonus is part of her pay depending on performance reviews not anything else. we have always lived WELL below our means and still do... so we have not felt anything. I also know we are fortunate.... I will never have the attitude that I can not be replaced. I work closely and am friends with our CEO and trust me they will replace ANYONE and bury any loss should you think the company will suffer one.
 
Once you ceased to live in the house and began renting it, the mortgage payments are an expense of your investment or rental property. In addition to the repairs you can also take depreciation on the property.

If a CPA is doing your taxes fire him. If you are doing them, fire yourself.

Moreover once you have rented it for a year, if you sell it and realize a loss you can actualize it in your personal income. You should also be able to carry the loss if appropriate.
 
Like others, I really think it depends on what area you're looking at to see if things are getting better.

We live in Central Florida, in an older neighborhood, our home was built in the 60's. A few years ago, the house across the street sold for $190k. We're talking about 1000 square feet (tops) older home. They put about $30k into renovations, and then walked away. He's a teacher, and she was a stay at home mom, but when the market fell out from under the house, they were able to buy a new house for $150k, brand new construction ... much bigger. That house sold in foreclosure for $20k.

So, for awhile, a lot of the houses around my neighborhood have been empty. The house we could have sold for $150k a few years ago is valued at $66k now. So, looking straight at the numbers, it's still bad. However, a number of the foreclosed homes have been bought in the recent weeks by investors and we have people living in them again. This is the sort of upturn we needed. There are a number of houses that are still empty, I know of three on our street that were owned by older folks who have passed, and their families have been holding onto the homes for about four years because they can't let it go for the prices they could get for them.

Rent in the area is still through the roof. We rented a two bed/1bath apartment for $750, which went up to $850 the following year, and they wanted $950 when we moved out. These apartments are now at $1100 because the rental market is outrageous. We live in an area that saw a lot of growth during the boom ... and we have still had a number of chain places shut down, but we're seeing some mom and pop restaurants come back. Again, it's the shift we wanted to see.

My boyfriend is a server, and the last three years have been rough. He works at a more upscale restaurant, so the disposable income just hasn't come back. The season so far this year hit earlier than normal, but was a lot shorter. It's usually still the "busy" season, from Thanksgiving through Mother's Day ... but the hours just aren't there. Luckily, he is still averaging a little better than average money per shift than last year, but I'm still worried about the slow season that's coming up.

Sorry it's so long, but I think, in our area especially ... it's starting to come back. There is a glimmer of hope. There are projects that want to be built, but there is a lack of workers to get it done. We lived in an area that boomed and boomed hard, so it'll be interesting to see if the burst comes back.
 











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