DxDDP - convenience or savings?

Which was important in selecting DxDDP

  • Cost Savings

  • Convenience


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longrf01

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So, I'm curious. Am I in the minority in purchasing DxDDP for the sake of peace of mind and convenience and not based on the cost-benefit ratio?

I want my spouse and children to really enjoy our time at WDW. If I paid OOP for dining (even if were saved for and paid with a Disney Gift Card) I'd probably grouse about the cost. Remember the movie Father of Bride when George was told every time he complained he detracted from his daughter's happiness? By contrast when all I have to do is hand over the KTTW card, copy the suggested tip amount and sign, it's just doesn't bother me.

We have been using the DxDDP because we never know what we'll be in the mood for when it comes time to eat. If we went with another plan, we might find ourselves feeling constrained.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that in the big picture the mouse wins and it's very unlikely that for US we get more than we paid out. But I'm wiling to chalk up the cost differential to an "experience enhancement"
 
So, I'm curious. Am I in the minority in purchasing DxDDP for the sake of peace of mind and convenience and not based on the cost-benefit ratio?

I want my spouse and children to really enjoy our time at WDW. If I paid OOP for dining (even if were saved for and paid with a Disney Gift Card) I'd probably grouse about the cost. Remember the movie Father of Bride when George was told every time he complained he detracted from his daughter's happiness? By contrast when all I have to do is hand over the KTTW card, copy the suggested tip amount and sign, it's just doesn't bother me.

We have been using the DxDDP because we never know what we'll be in the mood for when it comes time to eat. If we went with another plan, we might find ourselves feeling constrained.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that in the big picture the mouse wins and it's very unlikely that for US we get more than we paid out. But I'm wiling to chalk up the cost differential to an "experience enhancement"

We love the convenience of the dining plan. So far we actually have saved money on the plan, but even if we haven't we like having it all paid for up front. We put the package on our Disney Visa and pay it off when the bill comes in.
 
We did the deluxe plan for the convenience but I was pleasantly surprised at how much money we actually saved when I went through the receipts and figured it out. Even if we hadn't come out ahead, I would have been more than satisfied.
 
I have done the math and OOP is a few dollars cheaper, But worrying about the cost then choosing a cheaper item, or skipping dessert to avoid shock at the end of the meal is no fun. So yes I do DxDDP for convience.
 

It's a little of both for me. I find it easier to eat at TS because of my allergies. I also like being able to splurge without thinking of the cost. It's my vacation and I can actually get desert that not fruit salad. With most of my trips being long weekends, it's easy to use the credits without having it be too much food. The savings usually ends up being the cost of a meal so I'm happy with that.
 
* Other - The DxDDP is not worth it in savings or convenience. You would have to pick the MOST expensive meals to just break even and I don't consider it a convenience to take time away from the parks to move from one big meal to another.
 
For me it's both.

This is the first time I'll be trying DxDP but going through and doing the math, I'll be coming out ahead by $150-$175. I've always come out ahead using the plans. I agree with OP that even if I had the money set aside for food, I'd still grumble about paying OOP.

I think I lucked out with this trip though. I can't imagine doing deluxe on a long trip or paying all out for it. I'm going solo for 4 days and upgraded to deluxe from QS (but staying at Pop, can you see where my priorities are? :lmao:)
 
You would have to pick the MOST expensive meals to just break even and I don't consider it a convenience to take time away from the parks to move from one big meal to another.

We didn't have to pick the most expensive meals to break even. We came out over $800 ahead on meals alone on our 10 night trip recently. I think it depends on the number of adults and kids, and how many signatures and dinner shows you do, but we definitely didn't all pick the most expensive menu items every meal, we just ate what we wanted. We would eat appetizers and deserts every meal even if we were going OOP though, so it made sense for us.
 
I choose it for savings, because it fits with how I want to dine. For example, the math tells me that I'd be spending ~$1250 in food on my next trip. I'm paying ~650 for that amount of food (of course, this is taking the free DDP into account, but the room discount on my dates would cover only 1 or 2 nights out of 10). Even without taking the free DDP into account, I'd be saving ~$225.

* Other - The DxDDP is not worth it in savings or convenience. You would have to pick the MOST expensive meals to just break even and I don't consider it a convenience to take time away from the parks to move from one big meal to another.
This is a common misconception on DxDDP. The math works out so that it's much easier to break even than any other plan. You simply need to aim for ~$24 worth of food per credit (combined app, entree, dessert, and drink). Not horribly difficult at Disney, even if you skip an entitlement.

It DOES take more time though, both beforehand and while on the trip so it's certainly not for everyone.
 
This is a common misconception on DxDDP. The math works out so that it's much easier to break even than any other plan. You simply need to aim for ~$24 worth of food per credit (combined app, entree, dessert, and drink). Not horribly difficult at Disney, even if you skip an entitlement.


While I totally agree that the DxDP is the easiest plan to save on, in the sense you don't need to maximize every credit, its still become a lot harder.
Your $24 price point assumes using EVERY credit and every snack.
I find it difficult to use more than half the snacks on the DxDP, can only eat so much, so often.
So for me, the break even point is more like $27 per credit.
And surely, with appetizer and dessert, $27 is a very very easy number to hit at dinner. But if you use any of your credits for QS, you won't hit it. It can be pretty difficult to hit at TS breakfast. And even hitting that number at a TS lunch is no guarantee.
I realize it's only an average, so having some $20 meals can be balanced with some $40 meals, but I use some credits for qs breakfast, only getting about $9 in value ---- bringing down the average dramatically.

Did save on the last trip with DxDP, but most of that savings came from just a couple high priced meals.
 
I was strongly leaning towards doing Deluxe for the convenience; I don't want to feel guilty for having a starter and I'm looking forward to the freedom of being able to order something I've never tried before without having to worry about wasting money if I don't like it.

BUT I know that I would become utterly obsessed with making the most of the plan and we'd find ourselves with days which are just too structured for my boyfriend's liking.

As it stands I'll be using all 14 of our TS credits on the DDP and then paying OOP for a further 11 TS meals. I've calculated the estimated cost of each of those meals and the total doesn't even come close to price of upgrading to the DxDP.

So although the DxDP is enticing for convenience's sake make sure you don't the math before you upgrade.
 
FTR, I'm not saying that the DxDDP is a bad choice for everyone ... I'm just saying that the poll should have had a "It's not for me" choice.

I choose it for savings, because it fits with how I want to dine. For example, the math tells me that I'd be spending ~$1250 in food on my next trip. I'm paying ~650 for that amount of food (of course, this is taking the free DDP into account, but the room discount on my dates would cover only 1 or 2 nights out of 10). Even without taking the free DDP into account, I'd be saving ~$225.

I also dine where I want and and order whatever strikes my fancy without the DxDDP. If I'm full from my previous meal I can skip the starter or dessert. We have the Tables in Wonderland card and I would save the same $225 over your $1250 food value (20%). In addition, I get to enjoy any room discounts that may be available as well. For me, the TiW card is a better value since I am not locked into a dining plan.

This is a common misconception on DxDDP. The math works out so that it's much easier to break even than any other plan. You simply need to aim for ~$24 worth of food per credit (combined app, entree, dessert, and drink). Not horribly difficult at Disney, even if you skip an entitlement.

It DOES take more time though, both beforehand and while on the trip so it's certainly not for everyone.
As you know Cafeen, I was one of the originators of the "best bang for your buck" DDP spreadsheet. I know how much meals cost at WDW. As havoc315 points out, not all meals are priced the same and many breakfasts and lunches will not fall under your "$24 rule" unless you book buffets or the most expensive items. So, I think it's a little bit of a slight of hand when you say you only need to spend $24 per credit to break even. I think I would also quibble with you on the value you have placed on the refillable mug and the snacks. Right now you are saying that only $72 out of the $90 DxDDP cost is meals and the remaining $18 is 2 snacks and the mug. I have no doubt that many people make the DxDDP work for them and I could probably make it work for me for a couple of days until I was tired of running from one ADR to another stuffing myself and trying to fit park time in between my meals.
 
I think what it comes down to is rarely is the DxDP a good choice unless you're like me and know a)pretty much what you'll be eating at each meal so you can do the math, b) know that you can and want to eat everything that's included, c) are interested in at least 1 signature per every 3 days, and d) aren't really planning on changing your mind.

My trip looks like this right now:

Monday- Lunch at Pop, Dinner at 50's Prime Time
Tuesday- Breakfast at Captains Grille, lunch at Casey's Corner (OOP), Dinner at Artist Point
Wednesday- Breakfast at Grand Floridian Cafe, Lunch at Beaches and Cream, Dinner at Coral Reef
Thursday- Breakfast at Whispering Canyon Cafe.

I'm not "maximizing" my meals at all..not picking the most expensive things and a lot of my meals don't have appetizers or desserts.

Originally when I made my reservation, I only upgraded to basic dining but once I did the math, I was going to end up paying out of pocket for at least 2 meals and snacks when I had my old set of reservations. Upgrading to Deluxe gave me more meals to spread out over the 4 days, a lot more food so I won't be looking to snack through the day and I'm saving a lot of money. The only day I'm even the least bit concerned about is the one with 3 sitdown meals but they're spread out from like 10:35am to 2:30pm to 830pm and for me that's enough time to get hungry again. I'm not a clean plate kid so I never feel like if I don't eat everything it's a waste, I enjoy what I do eat of the meal.

It really is just "does it work for me?"
 
For us it is both. We don't save a ton, usually right around 20% compared to menu prices and more like 10% compared to what we'd eat without the plan (not always getting dessert, sometimes sharing apps), but I wouldn't pre-pay without some savings incentive either. And it depends on the trip - if it is just me & my girls it is serious overkill in terms of food quantity, but if DH and DS14 are a part of the trip there's no such thing as too much and we love the all-inclusive/pre-paid nature of the plan.

I'm going to have an AP/TiW for our 2013 trips so we're going to do without any dining plan and see how that goes.
 
While I totally agree that the DxDP is the easiest plan to save on, in the sense you don't need to maximize every credit, its still become a lot harder.
Your $24 price point assumes using EVERY credit and every snack.
I find it difficult to use more than half the snacks on the DxDP, can only eat so much, so often.
So for me, the break even point is more like $27 per credit.
And surely, with appetizer and dessert, $27 is a very very easy number to hit at dinner. But if you use any of your credits for QS, you won't hit it. It can be pretty difficult to hit at TS breakfast. And even hitting that number at a TS lunch is no guarantee.
I realize it's only an average, so having some $20 meals can be balanced with some $40 meals, but I use some credits for qs breakfast, only getting about $9 in value ---- bringing down the average dramatically.

Did save on the last trip with DxDP, but most of that savings came from just a couple high priced meals.
I used the wrong number, it's ~$26.33. But still, that's a $2.33 difference, and not really that difficult to make up. And of course it assumes that you use every credit and snack, that's how the cost per credit estimates work. You are given those credits at the same rate, so they all cost the same. The value you receive for the credits is different and what comes into play if you spend them all or not. Ideally, you don't compare each and every meal with this number, but the totals at the end. This is due to the fluctuations that you mention.

And breakfasts tank every plan (except for kids at character meals).

I also dine where I want and and order whatever strikes my fancy without the DxDDP. If I'm full from my previous meal I can skip the starter or dessert. We have the Tables in Wonderland card and I would save the same $225 over your $1250 food value (20%). In addition, I get to enjoy any room discounts that may be available as well. For me, the TiW card is a better value since I am not locked into a dining plan.

As you know Cafeen, I was one of the originators of the "best bang for your buck" DDP spreadsheet. I know how much meals cost at WDW. As havoc315 points out, not all meals are priced the same and many breakfasts and lunches will not fall under your "$24 rule" unless you book buffets or the most expensive items. So, I think it's a little bit of a slight of hand when you say you only need to spend $24 per credit to break even. I think I would also quibble with you on the value you have placed on the refillable mug and the snacks. Right now you are saying that only $72 out of the $90 DxDDP cost is meals and the remaining $18 is 2 snacks and the mug. I have no doubt that many people make the DxDDP work for them and I could probably make it work for me for a couple of days until I was tired of running from one ADR to another stuffing myself and trying to fit park time in between my meals.
The question of if the DxDDP works for you in particular doesn't really come into play as far as what I was addressing. I was just pointing out that you don't need to order the Most Expensive Things at the Most Expensive Restaurants (METATMER) in order to break even. Maximum value is different, and not something that anyone should strive to attain on a normal trip (if they want to try for a "let's see how much I can milk this plan" type of trip, that's different too :p).

Now, I did use the wrong value above, either the 2011 one, or just one that randomly appeared in my head (see below for math for actual one). Still though, $2.33 doesn't make all that much of a difference (but boy, I've been using the wrong value for awhile now...)

And still, $26.33 is not difficult to attain at most meals considering the entitlements per meal, which is what makes DxDDP so easy (mathematically) to break even on. It's less "cost" per meal, with more potential value. (Note the "potential" there).

Let's take a look at The Plaza, generally a restaurant suggested as a good OOP value and not so good DDP value (we'll see how DxDDP affects it). We'll order mid-line, so not most expensive, but not the cheapest either. (Note: due to my tastes, I'd never get this meal :p). How does a cup of soup, a grilled chicken sandwich, and some cheesecake sound? Don't forget the glass of lemonade either!

The total for this meal (before tax) comes to $24.96. After tax, this is $26.59. So, yes, it's on the edge for sure, but it's still above breaking even (at least, outside of peak times :p) and it's pretty far from the most expensive items at the most expensive restaurants that many like to parrot. It's simply untrue.

Of course, as I also mentioned above, you can't really take a single meal in a vacuum. You really have to average them out across the length of your stay, but since a mid-level meal at one of the cheaper locations breaks evenly itself, then surely your average will at least break even while following the same mid-range choices at low to mid range TS locations, or even the low end choices at higher end TS locations.

Again though, if those meals don't work for you, and the number of meals don't work for you, then you aren't going to see good (or any) from the plan. That's how they work. They're designed so that you save money IF and (pretty much) only IF you're dining as they are designed. They have sharp falloffs for those who stray off the plans' structure (which is also designed, as a way for Disney to make money). It's really in all of our best interest to determine which works best for the situation rather than dismiss an option because it doesn't work for you.

For those interested
*The per credit math is as follows (see note above where I had initially used the wrong value) (We ignore the mug and use a $3 average for the snacks).

3Dx + 2S = DxDDP
3Dx + 2S = ~$85 (it's $85 and change in the slow season)
3Dx + 2(3) = ~$85
3Dx = ~$85 - 6 = ~$79
Dx = ~$79 / 3 = ~$26.33
 
Some of both, for me. I did the math for what I'd order OOP vs the cost of DxDP and essentially it works out that I get all my snacks and the refillable mug "free." I like that, so I won't feel too pressured to use all the snack credits! I'll probably bring home a lot of snacks.

I like the idea of the convenience side of it as well, but I don't think I'd pay more just for that. If it didn't come out to save a least a little money, I probably wouldn't do the dining plan.
 
We do it for both reasons. We usually do a character meal in the morning and signature for dinner most day therefor it's easy for us to eat the cost of it as character meals are expensive.

We have 3 children on the plan below 10 year therefor making them Disney kids which are super cheap on the deluxe dinning plan IMO. If I remember correctly their plan costs roughly the price as a character meal per day and that's not taking into account any other meal for the day. The girls don't really like QS and are sick of the same old same old therefor signature meals give them also a much better selection. Now if they weren't the type of kids that sit for a long period of time just talking about their day, I don't think we would do signature but they look forward to it just as much as we do as they always ask if we will go to dress up restaurants again.

The other reason we do it's simply because I look too much at the prices if I'm paying OOP. I would pretty much spend my days calculating and saying no to the girls. We are on vacation and going all out otherwise we are not going KWIM. It's the only time we all get what we want and not worry about prices and budget. I know we have more then plenty of food and snacks to go around for all of us. We never have to pay anything OOP and have always come ahead with the plan.

Now when they all turn 10, ask me the same question... I'm not sure the answer will be the same. If they continue to eat as little as they do now, no way will they be able to eat more then an adult app as a meal therefor not making worth the plan at all. That's probably when we will start paying OOP.
 
For us it was clearly the convenience. While there was some savings involved based on what we would have paid for the same meals, we certainly would not have made the same reservations and same orders without the plan.

But with our kids (specifically, the autistic twins), having sit-down meals scheduled around their normal routine is worth the extra cost to us. No point in having a vacation ruined because the kids are having meltdowns.

Plus, we got to do a lot of character meals, saving park time normally used for meet & greet, and we never had to take off part of the day to go back to the resort for rest, since we had rests built into the day with meals.
 
Now when they all turn 10, ask me the same question... I'm not sure the answer will be the same. If they continue to eat as little as they do now, no way will they be able to eat more then an adult app as a meal therefor not making worth the plan at all. That's probably when we will start paying OOP.

That's what prompted us to look beyond the plan. My light eater turned 10 and my adventurous one turned 3. There's no way I can justify adult prices for DD10, who can't finish an adult entree much less a 3-course meal, and I don't like limiting DD3 to kids' menus. On our last trip they mostly ordered a single adult entree to share, and without my guys along to finish off any unwanted extras (DH & DS14 only join us on about half our WDW trips) it just doesn't make sense to do a dining plan with them.
 
I've gone with convenience as well. I dont want to have to worry at all about the cost of what DD wants to eat/snack on.

Cost wise we already had free regular plan so we just went with an upgrade because this is our wedding trip and we also prefer to have an app rather than a dessert - so we get to have both.
 


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