DVCnews May direct sales article

[atthebeachclub]

Ok it would not be that hard .....

I agree , BC is the only resort that could be sold as a standalone , people still buy BC resale today for > $135 a point. Thats $19 a point with buy in and MF. You gotta love a resort to pay that much.

For both Beach Club and Boardwalk: It’s really not that bad if you look at TVM calculations and compare point charts with costs of staying on the hotel side, instead of doing basic calculations that only compare it to other DVC resorts by spreading the upfront costs over the remaining years as a flat amount (which doesn’t account for TVM very well, in my opinion). People use this very basic calculation to justify spending more on direct points or on longer contracts, and that’s also questionable Disney math.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

For both Beach Club and Boardwalk: It’s really not that bad if you look at TVM calculations and compare point charts with costs of staying on the hotel side, instead of doing basic calculations that only compare it to other DVC resorts by spreading the upfront costs over the remaining years as a flat amount (which doesn’t account for TVM very well, in my opinion). People use this very basic calculation to justify spending more on direct points or on longer contracts, and that’s also questionable Disney math.

So I generally agree with this on a relative basis, especially compared to point heavy resorts. However, I value BCV points relative to the cost of staying at BCV or BWV, and lately I’ve been seeing a lot of discounting (and bounce back and upsell offers) putting the effective stay cost closer to half of what it was a couple years ago. For that reason, I’ve decided I’m not interested in buying BCV anywhere close to $135/pt, and based on how long most contracts are lingering in that range, it appears not too many others are either. If it gets closer to $100, I would be more tempted.

(I say this as a current owner who bought a lightly stripped contract at $115/pt 2 years ago)

 

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For both Beach Club and Boardwalk: It’s really not that bad if you look at TVM calculations and compare point charts with costs of staying on the hotel side, instead of doing basic calculations that only compare it to other DVC resorts by spreading the upfront costs over the remaining years as a flat amount (which doesn’t account for TVM very well, in my opinion). People use this very basic calculation to justify spending more on direct points or on longer contracts, and that’s also questionable Disney math.

I think you and I have a different understanding of TVM . I was leaving out TVM to make it more favorable to BC @ $135

 

[atthebeachclub]

I think you and I have a different understanding of TVM . I was leaving out TVM to make it more favorable to BC @ $135

$135 really isn’t market price though, which is why I ignored that part of your comment. That’s list price. That’s not what most people are paying, unless it’s a tiny contract. (Searching occompt will also get you good data, and most people aren’t paying $135 per point)
https://www.fidelityrealestate.com/blog/may-2025-average-dvc-resale-price-per-point/

I do really believe the market is very efficient at pricing these close to their overall value.

 

[airjay75]

Random thought. What if upon expiration of WDW 2042 resorts, DVC creates DVC II, turns the expired resorts into new DVC II resorts and trading is only within DVC II resorts. So, buying direct today doesn’t necessarily guarantee ability to book at all future resorts.

I haven't done a lot of thinking/research about the what happens with the 2042 resorts, but it seems to me that the most likely result with those resorts (given current DVC thinking) would be, one, they operate them as pure hotel accommodations or, two, they renovate/repurpose/relaunch as new DVC resorts with the same resale restrictions as RIV/CFW/VDH and any new resorts between now and then. They may do a combination of the two, relaunching each resort every couple of years. I have a hard time seeing a new DVC II where existing direct point holders can't use their points at those resorts - would really undermine the product that they have marketed and sold for a long time. That said, no one knows what the future holds. 2042 is almost 17 years away.

 

[Girlstar30]

This is an interesting comment about DVC/DVD slowly devaluing the product. I'm curious to hear more about how they've done so. It seems counterintuitive for a business to devalue its product base, but I'm not from the business world.

They have slowly started making purchasing resale more and more unappealing over the years (first blocking new resale owners from being able to swap points for cruises and the world collection (not such a big deal) then taking away member benefits later (big deal) then resale restrictions (bigger deal).

Thats why I say what's next? I think the blows will keep getting bigger as we slowly get used to a resale that is more and more limiting and not as good as before. The people that are saying I wish I would have bought before 2016 are going to be replaced by people saying I wish I would have bought in 2025 once it sucks even more is what I predict


They can literally take away trading into resorts for any owners and restricting them to their home resort only if they wanted to.

I dont think they would do that to existing owners, but I can def see them doing that in the future to new resale owners. That's why I dont care much for resale value as everyone who stays around long term should see a huge plunge imo besides the 2042 worry with the way things are going.

 

[Girlstar30]

I haven't done a lot of thinking/research about the what happens with the 2042 resorts, but it seems to me that the most likely result with those resorts (given current DVC thinking) would be, one, they operate them as pure hotel accommodations or, two, they renovate/repurpose/relaunch as new DVC resorts with the same resale restrictions as RIV/CFW/VDH and any new resorts between now and then. They may do a combination of the two, relaunching each resort every couple of years. I have a hard time seeing a new DVC II where existing direct point holders can't use their points at those resorts - would really undermine the product that they have marketed and sold for a long time. That said, no one knows what the future holds. 2042 is almost 17 years away.

That would definitely cause an uproar. I dont believe that will happen either.

 

[Disney.dad]

Riviera is an absolutely lovely resort to stay at and I feel is our best value to stay at with resales. The catch is those points are limited to Riviera but it is only a portion of our points to go with our other resales and direct Disneyland Hotel points.

 

[AstroBlasters]

So I generally agree with this on a relative basis, especially compared to point heavy resorts. However, I value BCV points relative to the cost of staying at BCV or BWV, and lately I’ve been seeing a lot of discounting (and bounce back and upsell offers) putting the effective stay cost closer to half of what it was a couple years ago. For that reason, I’ve decided I’m not interested in buying BCV anywhere close to $135/pt, and based on how long most contracts are lingering in that range, it appears not too many others are either. If it gets closer to $100, I would be more tempted.

(I say this as a current owner who bought a lightly stripped contract at $115/pt 2 years ago)

The cash side offers are for hotel rooms right…. not suites… #Team2Bd

 

[AstroBlasters]

$135 really isn’t market price though, which is why I ignored that part of your comment. That’s list price. That’s not what most people are paying, unless it’s a tiny contract. (Searching occompt will also get you good data, and most people aren’t paying $135 per point)
https://www.fidelityrealestate.com/blog/may-2025-average-dvc-resale-price-per-point/

I do really believe the market is very efficient at pricing these close to their overall value.

That report shows Grand Cal 100-200 points at $185pp

The ROFR monster thanks you for the easy meal….

 

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That report shows Grand Cal 100-200 points at $185pp

The ROFR monster thanks you for the easy meal….

And I have been rejected many times at the rates they say are " average" so I will go with my numbers. I have been looking for that $110 / point RIV resale or a cheap small BW resale ...no dice for months

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

The cash side offers are for hotel rooms right…. not suites… #Team2Bd

This is an important point. Not buying more BCV points is definitely a tradeoff where we are more likely staying in two studio/hotels than 2 bedroom suites—we don’t need the kitchen, but I will miss the laundry and soaking tub.

And I have been rejected many times at the rates they say are " average" so I will go with my numbers. I have been looking for that $110 / point RIV resale or a cheap small BW resale ...no dice for months

If you aren’t finding RIV close to $110, you may want to consider consulting other aggregators because it’s not too far from where others are listing.

Cheap and small don’t usually go together though. Especially after you tack on closing costs per point

I do think the sellers who price close to Fidelity numbers sell very fast and then sellers looking for 2022 pricing (or higher) tend to be the ones with the majority of the contracts on the market at any given time.

 

[Royal Consort]

Riviera is an absolutely lovely resort to stay at and I feel is our best value to stay at with resales. The catch is those points are limited to Riviera but it is only a portion of our points to go with our other resales and direct Disneyland Hotel points.

I'm going to propose that for some owners, depending on when they travel, it may be a non-issue. Although we own direct at Riviera and intend to stay there, I do look at 7 month availability in Oct-Nov. Nada. I may as well have resale points because I'm not staying anywhere else even if I wanted to.

 

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I'm going to propose that for some owners, depending on when they travel, it may be a non-issue. Although we own direct at Riviera and intend to stay there, I do look at 7 month availability in Oct-Nov. Nada. I may as well have resale points because I'm not staying anywhere else even if I wanted to.

Agree, If you stay 1st week of December or 1st week in May and don't want to pack and unpack 3 times while being locked out of a room for 6 hours each transfer, all resorts are restricted.

 

[maui22]

$135 really isn’t market price though, which is why I ignored that part of your comment. That’s list price. That’s not what most people are paying, unless it’s a tiny contract. (Searching occompt will also get you good data, and most people aren’t paying $135 per point)
https://www.fidelityrealestate.com/blog/may-2025-average-dvc-resale-price-per-point/

I do really believe the market is very efficient at pricing these close to their overall value.

Just to link another blog. Here is @pkrieger2287 data for May. I believe they are the board sponsors.

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/dvc-resale-average-sales-prices-for-may-2025/

I believe they do significantly more marketing work than some others. (Or at least their sites come up far more often advertising for sites I visit and for social media). YMMV.

 

[kilik64]

I wonder how much longer it will be before the monthly sales report doesn't turn into a RIV rock fight.

Around the end of 2026…

 

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Just to link another blog. Here is @pkrieger2287 data for May. I believe they are the board sponsors.

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/dvc-resale-average-sales-prices-for-may-2025/

I believe they do significantly more marketing work than some others. (Or at least their sites come up far more often advertising for sites I visit and for social media). YMMV.

THis is a more accurate to what I am seeing.

Fidelity's price per point is lower but if I recall they have buyer fees that if added to a small contact were $7 a point.

 

[atthebeachclub]

THis is a more accurate to what I am seeing.

Fidelity's price per point is lower but if I recall they have buyer fees that if added to a small contact were $7 a point.

It's $250 I believe, so $5 per point extra on a 50 point contract. How small were you planning to go?

 

[VGCgroupie]

It's $250 I believe, so $5 per point extra on a 50 point contract. How small were you planning to go?

It’s also negotiable so it’s not always paid by the buyer. Fidelity loves to negotiate, DVCRM does not.

 

[Sandisw]

Random thought. What if upon expiration of WDW 2042 resorts, DVC creates DVC II, turns the expired resorts into new DVC II resorts and trading is only within DVC II resorts. So, buying direct today doesn’t necessarily guarantee ability to book at all future resorts.

I just dont see DVC doing anything that limits direct points, even with a new set up.

However. the only thing any of us are really guaranteed is home resort bookings.

As long as our resort remains a member of BVTC, we can trade to any of the resorts included there based on those resorts trading rules…