DVC to ever get the Ultimate Ambience?

[ColoradoBelle1]

My point in posting is that if anyone wants to comment that their favorite or ultimate experience is X, then why should others DIS them for stating an OPINION.
TJ suggests that I didnt' read some posts...and actually I did, and found that often when people state that they don't like a dirty room or a view or a smoking or handicapped room...other people decide to JUDGE them and say: hey you should feel lucky for getting any room. I was posting to say that that kind of judging is (IMHO) rude, and more of a bad attitude than the people who were stating an honest dissatisfaction.

As for the slams the DVC owner got for not liking a handicapped room: it is absurd to infer from her request for a different room that she was saying that handicap rooms are AWFUL and then further, that handicapped people are inferion!!!! PLEASE....I wouldn't like a handicapped room IF it didn't have a bathtub because I don't take showers yet I need my daily 'mental health' bath. So no matter the view, the space etc....I want a bathtub. And when I reserrve a motel room...I always ask if there is a tub as opposed to a shower only...and if so I decline. If I am in a smoking room, I have a great deal of trouble sleeping...so if I am given a room that smells of smoke, I feel I have every right to ask to be moved and to be accommodated if at all possible.
I think YOU should have the right to ask for...nicely...most anything 'normally' provided by a good host.
I have noticed that all too often there are people who get very defensive when someone posts something the least bit negative about DVC or WDW. My post was to comment on this and to suggest that we all show each other a little less judging and a little more compassion.

Maybe my post was not written clearly enough...or maybe TJ is slamming me for my opinion. If TJ is slamming me...that says a whole lot more about TJ than it does about me.
So: if your idea of ultimate experience (which BTW TJ I didn't initiate the thread...just wrote that whoever did should be allowed to post his opinion without being trashed for it....is Old Key WEst or Motel 6 or GF....i think its great that you HAVE an opinion and feel comfortable enough to post it. I don't expect everyone to love my memory of the Poly view...after all it is MY memory. I have some pretty good memories of the jacuzzi tub in OKW too!!! My point is that I feel that some people are a little too quick to judge a differing opinion from their own...might be defensiveness or LSE issues, but that wouldn't be for me to judge!

I support different opinions too Cat....I learn from someone posting about something completely opposite from my own opinion and I love learning!
I enjoy reading all the posts here...yet I am put off by anyone slamming anyone.

Colorado Belle

 

[Deep-Thots]

Sure. But methinks you might have insulted a few people by implying that YOUR "Ultimate Ambiance" should also be THEIR "Ultimate Ambiance." In case you haven't noticed, there are some folks here who have pretty fond memories of their DVC Homes, and love watching Illuminations from their balcony just as much as you love that beach at the Poly.


As far as your original question, I wouldn't count on any DVC rooms at the Poly. The ground in that area is probably too unstable for additional construction. They tried to build a 4th resort nearby on the monorail line a couple of times; -the concrete test pilings were swallowed up by the swamp below.

The best chance for a DVC resort on the monorial is the Contemporary resort. Those rumors have been floating around for at least 18 months now--probably longer. Earlier this year it was announced that the Contemporary will be gutted and redesigned in the very near future. As soon as more details of that project become public, we'll know for certain whether the Contemporary Villas will ever happen or not.

??? tjkraz, I believe you have confused coloradobelle (who provided a *wealth* of information about her positive experience at the Poly) with misterdisney (the OP).

 

[tjkraz]

??? tjkraz, I believe you have confused coloradobelle (who provided a *wealth* of information about her positive experience at the Poly) with misterdisney (the OP).

Yep, you're correct. My apologies.

 

[Jamesbyr]

I agree that the newest buildings at the Poly are closer to the TTC than to the Ceremonial Longhouse. That would be the site for an imaginative DVC addition. (Where else? In the parking lot?)

Our "home resort" is OKW. The views from most of the non studio units are golf courses. I hate golf but love the views. Very tranquil. We cold spend days here and never visit the parks.

 

[tjkraz]

ColoradoBelle1:

As I said, I did somehow confuse you with the original poster. For that, I apologize.

I have noticed that all too often there are people who get very defensive when someone posts something the least bit negative about DVC or WDW. My post was to comment on this and to suggest that we all show each other a little less judging and a little more compassion.

The only other comment I'll add is that by your own definition YOU are judging everyone else here. You are the one judging people to be "defensive" and incompassionate.

I really think that "judging" is a poor choice of words. Certainly a great deal of information shared on these forums is factual in nature, but even more of it is opinion. In lieu of concluding every sentence with "IMHO" (in my humble opinion), I think we all have to reach a mutual understanding that statements made here are personal opinion and there is nothing judgemental in nature involved.

MisterDisney made some comments about his own personal preference, and you did likewise. The fact that people chimed in to disagree doesn't mean that you are being judged, nor does it mean that you are wrong. It's simply an open, honest airing of personal opinions.

And, as I said, I think that you are wrong about an overall defensive nature with regard to WDW. In my experiences, people that frequent this forum tend to be more grounded than in many other areas of the Disboards. People here aren't afraid to sling mud in the direction of WDW or DVC when warranted.

Now, if someone wants to post a message here that reads something like "I can't believe you people would give Disney so much of your money for a TIMESHARE; you have to be idiots", well you probably will see that person get attacked. But if you think you are seeing blind loyalty to Disney displayed here, I think you're probably misinterpreting some comments.

As always, IMHO, YMMV.

 

[ColoradoBelle1]

Thanks Kim for pointing that out to TJ and TJ, thank you so much for your apology...Accepted !
I can see where you feel that I'm being judgemental when I say people might be reacting defensively...I was making more of an observation as opposed to saying that it was a 'negative' behavior I think...but your point is well taken.

Perhaps I am overreacting to someone not just stating a dissenting opinion, but 'putting down someone else for having a different opinion...You can say that my opinion sucks but if you start casting aspersions on my character because I for example, don/'t want a handicapped room...then I think that is out of line...and BTW I'm not suggesting YOU did that, ok?

So anyway....apologies all around (meaning that I too apologize if anyone thought that I was saying my opijnion had more value or 'rightness' than anyone elses. TJ is RIGHT ON...we all have our own opinions based on our own experiences....and TJ if they ever offer a DVC with a Poly/castle view, I'll invite you to join me for a margarita on the balcony!!!!!
Colorado Belle

 

[crisi]

Its my understanding that the wing that DVC is rumored to have the possibility of aquiring at the CR does not have castle or fireworks views.....?

With the exception of BWVs (which was the second DVC resort and like OKW is still something of an anomoly), DVC has been put in as the "stepchild" of its attached resort. The rooms with views can pretty consistantly be sold by Disney for cash, which does better for Disney in the long run. So I doubt any additions at the MK resorts would have "ultimate" views.

I also doubt we will ever see VAK.....My understanding is that construction disturbs the animals and Disney took quite a hit to PR with the health of the animals when it first opened. Unless the footings are there already, I'd expect any major construction (like Everest) to take place at the far end of the park from the savannahs. The Poly and Grand Floridan lack room and sell well in their current configuration. The CR only has space if DVC re-utilizes existing construction (perhaps tearing the building down to the footings, but they'll use those footings).

Disney wants to retain their most valuable elastic resources in a flexible state. People will pay a lot for that view, and DVC locks them into a price. That doesn't make very good sense for them, they still fill it when the economy is down, but can't charge more when the economy is up. DVC makes more sense where Disney wants to control attendence....DVC members come no matter what the economy is doing - but the clincher is they paid for their room at the time of sale. This gives Disney a lot of cash up front, but fewer long term options.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

Okay, am I the only nut here that really just bought into DVC for the convenience of staying onsite with the added benefits of cooking/laundry facilities? The fact that the resorts have different themes is just a plus for me.

I go to WDW because I want to feel like I'm at WDW. If I want to feel like I'm in Hawaii, I'll go to Hawaii...

 

[CRSNDSNY]

1) Theming and ambience which transports you to a different place

Have you ever walked into the WL/VWL?

 

[wtpclc]

I'm here and I don't love all things Disney.

HBC???? I'm crushed. My image of you has just been blown to bits. How can the smiling guy in the photo not love all things Disney. I'm so upset I may have to go home early!

Sorry to side track. Back to our regulary-scheduled thread.

 

[wintergreen]

Okay, am I the only nut here that really just bought into DVC for the convenience of staying onsite with the added benefits of cooking/laundry facilities? The fact that the resorts have different themes is just a plus for me.

I go to WDW because I want to feel like I'm at WDW. If I want to feel like I'm in Hawaii, I'll go to Hawaii...

No, you are not the only one out there who feels this way. I do, as well.

 

[mark&sue]

I would like say a DVC sized room with maybe more luxury or pampering and could shell out more points for it at individual visits.

At the moment my luxury would be a bath tub as previously posted and I would offer more points to guarantee it.

I guess we can always use our points to stay at the deluxe hotels if we wanted to. That is the good thing about DVC.



Susan

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

HBC???? I'm crushed. My image of you has just been blown to bits. How can the smiling guy in the photo not love all things Disney. I'm so upset I may have to go home early!

Now that you mention it, I think I'll head home early too and start studying my Birmbaun book before I fall too far off the Disney wagon.

HBC

 

[Cinderelli]

When I think of DVC Ultimate - I do think of something a little more than what we get now. Lots of people vacation in Aspen, but not everyone jumps off of cliffs on ski's. We're talking the "ultimate". I think it's an individual thing. No one's opinion is better or less than anothers. But when someone asks me what I think the Ultimate is, I would probably come up with something a little bit more than what is on the plate now. Not that I don't think DVC doesn't have deluxe and awesome accommodations, but let's dream BIG. Come on you guys - we're talking ULTIMATE!!!!!

For each person this will be different. For me it's gotta have that MK view. The castle (for ME) would be the ultimate. And, the MK fireworks. Add to that a complimentary Concierge service, complimentary and standard turn-down service, maybe studios only (to give the hotel feel), a classic and distinctive eatery, state of the art fitness center, spa (yes, SSR offers some of these but what about the eatery and the view?).

Would I pay more - you betcha - for those once in a lifetime experiences. It could require more points, but same buy-in cost. It could be small to maintain that "intimate/ultimate feel".

Dream big, people! What we've got is great - but is it the ULTIMATE?

Lissa

 

[Tigger031266]

Back to the OP. I remember staying at the Contempory 15 years ago and the messed up our room, they gave us parking lot view instead of garden view. I thought no big deal, I will just call them ant have them adjust my bill to the lower amount. They came and gave me park passes for 1 day free because they knew we did not have park passes that day. That changed my whole perception of Disney and thats what I fell in love with. A ramdom act of Kindness.

Would we ever get that from DVC. Very rare. I love DVC but the benifits are planned.

If DVC wanted to act like service mattered, they would do more random acts of kindness. Give out a park pass. A free meal. Put Tigger in the lobby. Through a little gift in the room.

Little things like that would increase sales in long run... garenteed. I think thats what the Op may have been talking about...deluxe resorts.

 

[OneMoreTry]

I think "Ultimate DVC" would be a nice option, but I don't think it would sell as fast as everyone seems to think.

First of all, to remain equitable, point costs would have to remain the same. It is points per room per night that would have to go up. I suspect a King Kamehameha type suite would require twice the points of a current Grand Villa -- or more. That would make it inaccessible to all but a few members.

Disney's current marketing strategy is to appeal to people looking to save money. It seems many of them have to borrow to buy in. That type of customer will not be looking to spend a year's worth of points for one night in low season just to be able to look out their balcony at a palm tree a lake and a castle.

It's my impression that those able to afford "the Ultimate" would rather use investment earnings to pay for accomodations rather than invest in a timeshare.

Maybe DVC is working on a marketing strategy for a "Premier" property. For those of you who want the ultimate at WDW NOW, the accomodations ARE available. No need to wait on DVC. Go ahead and reserve your spot through the CRO.

 

[OneMoreTry]

Okay, am I the only nut here that really just bought into DVC for the convenience of staying onsite with the added benefits of cooking/laundry facilities? The fact that the resorts have different themes is just a plus for me.
...

We bought because we wanted a 2BR suite and DVC was the most economical way to get one. Otherwise, I don't think we'd have bought in. As it turns out, the HH option will probably turn out to be our most frequent use of points. (We bought at OKW.)

 

[tjkraz]

I remember staying at the Contempory 15 years ago and the messed up our room, they gave us parking lot view instead of garden view. I thought no big deal, I will just call them ant have them adjust my bill to the lower amount. They came and gave me park passes for 1 day free because they knew we did not have park passes that day. That changed my whole perception of Disney and thats what I fell in love with. A ramdom act of Kindness.

Would we ever get that from DVC. Very rare. I love DVC but the benifits are planned.

Yeah, but what you're talking about wasn't a Random Act of Kindness, it was an apology for a mistake that the resort made.

If DVC wanted to act like service mattered, they would do more random acts of kindness. Give out a park pass. A free meal. Put Tigger in the lobby. Through a little gift in the room.

Now you're talking about free perks given for no reason. Even cash customers would not receive the type of things you describe. Disney CMs do not walk up to people in resort lobbies and say "you look like you're having a bad day...here's a free park ticket."

Disney resorts have been known to make nice, inexpensive token gestures--things like balloons in a hotel room for a guest celebrating a birthday or a Get Well Soon card from a character for a known sick child. But those types of things are done just as often at the DVC resorts as elsewhere, IMO.

DVC has also done a nice job of creating special events exclusively for DVC members. Last December we were fortunate enough to be able to attend the Member Day festivities near the International Gateway. They had cookies and beverages...carolers...Mickey, Minnie, Chip & Dale posing for photos...and we even got a DVC keychain as we left the event. There was no charge for the event, and it was limited to DVC members only. Do the cash resorts do anything like that for their guests?

I'm glad that Disney was able to give you such a nice surprise to apologize for their screw-up at the Contemporary, but I think you're selling them short to imply that DVC members are materially treated differently in this regard.

 

[DisMN]

I actually feel transported to a different place/time at every Disney resort, DVC or otherwise. I think they great theming, IMO. I think themeing at Disney is quite good, and I certainly feel transported, because none of them feel like Boston is 2005.

Same with us........we're always delighted at how far away from home we feel in general ambiance and the resort themes, inside AND out!

Maybe some of you live in tropical areas where you can see palm trees every day, but not me. Every single Disney resort we've stayed at has transported me into another world.

 

[Beca]

I guess I am just "easy to please", but I think DVC is the "ultimate" in what it does!! But, then again....you all KNOW I am BCV nuts....I think BCV is the ultimate in theming!!! It is just PERFECT for me!!!! I totally relax when I walk into that place!!!

And, as usual...I agree with tjkraz!! The park tickets were an "apology". The member event in Dec. was a random act of kindness....and a really great one at that!!! I felt so "special" just to walk in. They were turning a LOT of people away at the entrance. I thought it was interesting that they just "trusted us" when we said that we were members...there were so many people who they were telling, "No."

Also, when we were at BWV, my daughter received two pins from castmembers...not trading them....they just GAVE them to her. It was just "random acts of kindness".

Now, I agree that staying in the castle would be an "ultimate", but that's more of a "once in a lifetime" kind of thing. I much prefer the "ultimate" that I know I can afford without breaking the bank (although, I am doing a pretty good job of that, too), and one that I know I can go to once or twice a year. Going to "the happiest place on earth", staying in my FAVORITE resort, and spending quality time with my family....that IS an "ultimate".



Beca