DVC T &C Personal Use - Only Thread to Discuss!

[PlutoNotPlanet]

Even if it's purely due to price, because you are aware of DVC rental, you are more willing to go because it's more affordable. Then, you found it would work for you financial and you become an owner. Or you found it to be too much work or too much uncertainty, you book cash stays or become an owner.
The problem comes when there are so many options that people no longer need to consider cash stays or becoming an owner, and that hurts Disney's business.

DVC owners’ problem: People snagging popular rooms. Hard to book even at 11 month 8:01am.
Disney’s problem 1: People try to find DVC rental rather than book direct (at rack rate, even discounted).

I think Disney isn't overly concerned with DVC owners being able to book. I think Disney is concerned about money in their pocket and protecting their ability to sell direct points in the future.

Exactly. That’s why I labeled as owner’s problem rather than Disney’s haha

Now that I think about it, why don't I just sell and instead rent my trips? Mmmhhhhh????

Because if you keep going years after years, owning does make sense financially. Also, there would be flexibility to cancel and peace of mind (vs other uncertainties). But it’s not a bad idea haha

 

[Sandisw]

It seems DVC goes out of their way to not appear like they are spamming the highest value/demand rooms. They don’t sell all that much of those hardest rooms and/or dates, especially when looking at all they put in cash inventory. They offer 1BRs like crazy, which returns some of the lowest $/point profits out there. Plenty of lower demand dates for point hungry 2BRs and up. Yet I’ve never seen AKV value for cash or slamming mostly studios in December at near park resorts. I know breakage makes up a good deal, but generally what DVC sells for cash comes nowhere close to the amount of quality inventory spec reservations pull and list. A rolling daily snapshot of aggregate spec rentals looks much different than cash deluxe villa inventory, whether you count it by the actual rooms or ratio.

I am on daily with Disney for booking cash stays and I can tell you that plenty of the hard to get rooms can and do show up.

This wasn’t though about the hard to get rooms or even the commercial renters.

It was about the rental market in general

It was about DVCs move to potentially impact the rental market by giving owners who may be renting some of their points every year a chance to do something else.

And, the new words might just impact those who rent to do things like cruise’s, offset dues, etc to do this.

Some of the discussion does revolve around people’s opinions on how strict DVc should be with its crackdown.

 

[jekjones1558]

About 8 years ago my DH’s health had deteriorated to the point where he was pretty much homebound. We had 1150 points at the time. Because we couldn’t use the points, I sold some to lessen the dues burden. But I allowed family to use the rest for free. There were many different names. DH passed away and I am now able to use the points again. I hope that rule changes don’t make a scenario like mine a problem. I can’t be the only one who has gone through changes like this.

 

[Sandisw]

And they are frequently lowering prices right now - offering all kinds of discounts, free dining, etc. I was just talking about the rack rate, assuming it is $600 a night - it's ridiculous.

And I can tell you that offering free dining for kids has had an positive impact with clients adding a plan when in years past they have not…or booked moderate vs value…and getting them to book!!

Even the new DCL offers have been well received so far!!!

I can say that DVC villas can be popular and if Disney adds a discount that brings it within reason to renting, many will go with Disney for the peace of mind!

You’d be surprised though what some will pay. I have friends who booked BLT TPV for 6 nights this summer cash…with no discount.

We ended up being able to lower the price when certain discounts were announced but they were ready to pay it!!!

 

[muppets3d]

And I can tell you that offering free dining for kids has had an positive impact with clients adding a plan when in years past they have not…or booked moderate vs value…and getting them to book!!

Even the new DCL offers have been well received so far!!!

I can say that DVC villas can be popular and if Disney adds a discount that brings it within reason to renting, many will go with Disney for the peace of mind!

You’d be surprised though what some will pay. I have friends who booked BLT TPV for 6 nights this summer cash…with no discount.

We ended up being able to lower the price when certain discounts were announced but they were ready to pay it!!!

Every time Disney discounts villa cash prices, it pushes the payoff for buying direct points that much further out.

 

[Brian Noble]

Not the one you have in mind; that is compared to renting points. Renting from Disney is no better than that, no matter the discount.

 

[Genie+]

I am on daily with Disney for booking cash stays and I can tell you that plenty of the hard to get rooms can and do show up.

Is it anywhere near what is happening in the spec rental market?

 

[BeachClub2014]

But the "cash" stays are coming out of DVC inventory in this case since that's where the points originated from.

And I'm not sure competing with DVC for inventory is better than competing with commercial renters' bots.

Exactly. This illustrates my point that although many of us share the desire for DVC to crack down on the surge in rentals, especially speculative reservations, to enhance availability or to level the playing field, it doesn't necessarily mean that DVC shares the same interest. They want the reservation dollars to come to them, not to other owners, and I suspect they aren't overly concerned with availability.

 

[Sandisw]

Is it anywhere near what is happening in the spec rental market?

Yes, I have been able to book some hard to get villas. How it compares? Not sure because my bookings are based in what is wanted.

ETA: I can book an AKV Value studio today for cash for several different check in dates. Ironically, the 1 bedroom values are not.

Again, my post was not about specs but about DVC influencing those who rent points, who are not your mega renters to leave the open market and now let DVC do it to avoid getting “caught”

It makes the appearance they care about the owner who has a need to rent.

Great selling point too! Instead of 150, buy 300 and that extra 150 can be used for your AP

Even if you look at AkV value. There is a high number of rentals out there that are one or two nights. Those don’t screen bots at 11 months to me.

Just pointing out again that the more people trade points to DVc, the more rooms they get to sell for cash.

Reduces the rental market for those points but certainly does not increase availability associated with them.

Especially if DVC decides to be the one who picks up those spec rentals dropped when they crack down on the commerical renters.

If an AKV owner trades now for an AP, and DVc knows a value will be popular, what’s to stop them from using those owners points and taking it for cash?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[Mouseforward]

And I can tell you that offering free dining for kids has had an positive impact with clients adding a plan when in years past they have not…or booked moderate vs value…and getting them to book!!

Even the new DCL offers have been well received so far!!!

I can say that DVC villas can be popular and if Disney adds a discount that brings it within reason to renting, many will go with Disney for the peace of mind!

You’d be surprised though what some will pay. I have friends who booked BLT TPV for 6 nights this summer cash…with no discount.

We ended up being able to lower the price when certain discounts were announced but they were ready to pay it!!!

I feel bad for FWC new owners as Disney is renting the new cabins at $302 / night to passholders this summer , thats $13 / point. Ouch for a $12 / point MF resort

 

[JackosinDIS]

I feel bad for FWC new owners as Disney is renting the new cabins at $302 / night to passholders this summer , thats $13 / point. Ouch for a $12 / point MF resort

Ouch indeed. Although looking at the summer discounts generally, there are a good number of resorts where the cash price is getting VERY close to the per point cost as an owner!

 

[muppets3d]

I feel bad for FWC new owners as Disney is renting the new cabins at $302 / night to passholders this summer , thats $13 / point. Ouch for a $12 / point MF resort

If prices like that keep up I don't see how anyone can justify buying points there. Especially in resale. That's the definition of a worthless timeshare - when the maintenance fees are just as, if not more expensive, than a cash stay.

 

[Mouseforward]

If prices like that keep up I don't see how anyone can justify buying points there. Especially in resale. That's the definition of a worthless timeshare - when the maintenance fees are just as, if not more expensive, than a cash stay.

We share the same definition, that is why Vero Beach still clings to live as viable since cash stays at an ocean resort are still pricy.

I am seriously considering grabbing a cash week at a cabin for august , I wonder if the internet is good. its 2k for the week ! tax and fees included.

 

[muppets3d]

We share the same definition, that is why Vero Beach still clings to live as viable since cash stays at an ocean resort are still pricy.

I am seriously considering grabbing a cash week at a cabin for august , I wonder if the internet is good. its 2k for the week ! tax and fees included.

Vero also has the advantage of trading in to WDW/DLR/HI resorts - something CFW resale will not have.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Do we actually know if people are using bots to rent rooms or is this an urban legend?

If it isn't true, it's one of the very very very very few money-making endeavors that has escaped that technology.

 

[AstroBlasters]

And they are frequently lowering prices right now - offering all kinds of discounts, free dining, etc. I was just talking about the rack rate, assuming it is $600 a night - it's ridiculous.

Definitely not in the same universe of what I would pay for a Duo…

 

[Sandisw]

I feel bad for FWC new owners as Disney is renting the new cabins at $302 / night to passholders this summer , thats $13 / point. Ouch for a $12 / point MF resort

That is a pretty great option for those families of 5!!!

Probably why DVC in a rush if they can get cash guests into them!!!

 

[AstroBlasters]

I feel bad for FWC new owners as Disney is renting the new cabins at $302 / night to passholders this summer , thats $13 / point. Ouch for a $12 / point MF resort

But you have to be in C. FL during the summer….

 

[Mouseforward]

But you have to be in C. FL during the summer….

Yes , the cabins put you outdoors more. My family used to do the cabins a lot since there were five of us. And that was before golf carts.. if you go during the yellow fly season it’s particularly spicy.

 

[Sandisw]

Every time Disney discounts villa cash prices, it pushes the payoff for buying direct points that much further out.

But most cash guests deciding to DVC are not thinking of that.

That’s why the sales continue because they are in the magic of it all!!