DVC Rumors

AKL was suppose to be dvc resort, when we first looked into the dvc , we had actually signed papers for the AKL and when we got home we canceled the transaction because we were going to finance through dvc and when we came home and came to our senses about the interest rate, we canceled and decide to wait and pay cash, when we felt that the time was right. the next year when we were there we checked out the dvc and they were selling wlv,
Interesting that you THOUGHT you were signing papers for VAKL. It would definately have been announced to the membership if that was an option, and we were members before that,and I can tell you, it was NOT an option.
My mom heard Captain Henry talk about anouther cruise ship (november 2002). He said that there is talk about another ship. Maybe to the Mediterrian!! Now that's a cruise I'd take. Just thought I'd tell you what we were told.
This was actually announced on one of the specials broadcast from Epcot yesterday. It was announced that they were thinking either of the Caribbean or Alaska.
The bit about the monorail from the airport to WDW wasn't exactly a rumor. Orlando was bidding on the Olympics (don't remember which year) and that monorail was a tentative plan to deal with the expected crowds.
And when Disney wanted to pay for a monorail from the airport to WDW, the county/state vetoed it.
 
Originally posted by dianeschlicht
Interesting that you THOUGHT you were signing papers for VAKL. It would definately have been announced to the membership if that was an option, and we were members before that,and I can tell you, it was NOT an option.
I agree with dianaschlict. Disney Vacation Development never announced a DVC resort at AKL, and they certainly never offered such a resort for sale. I assume this was a case of a salesperson saying that DVC members could use points to stay at AKL.
Originally posted by dianeschlicht
This was actually announced on one of the specials broadcast from Epcot yesterday. It was announced that they were thinking either of the Caribbean or Alaska.
Just to provide more detail (so that nobody thinks this means a new DCL ship is under construction)... According to the Orlando Sentinel, the poor exchange rate between the Euro and the US Dollar is keeping DCL from contracting for a third ship. In other words, DCL has no new ship on order, but the plans are in place. Let's see what happens if the exchange rate improves.
Originally posted by dianeschlicht
And when Disney wanted to pay for a monorail from the airport to WDW, the county/state vetoed it.
I've never heard that Disney wanted to pay for a monorail transit system to the airport. (Heck, Disney doesn't even want to pay for new monorail routes with WDW.) But Disney has a long history of advocating routes that go from the airport directly to WDW, bypassing International Drive, whenever the any sort of rail project is proposed in the Orlando region. In fact, there's an article about it today: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-lochighspeed10101003oct10,0,2761800.story
 
another CM said that Disney is seriously considering a DVC night at the parks in addition to another DVC member cruise

This is a cool one. :hyper: Let's go!
 
We have heard plenty of rumors on this board. Someone posted a rumor on this board a couple of years ago that a CM bus driver had told them that Disney Institute was going to be turned into a Vacation Club resort. Several folks on this board laughed it off, and said that he didn't know what he was talking about. Look at us now.... with SSR! Isn't rumor great!!! I do think that Disney fuels these kind of things, or maybe CM's like to start them just to see how far they get!
 

Interesting that you THOUGHT you were signing papers for VAKL. It would definately have been announced to the membership if that was an option, and we were members before that,and I can tell you, it was NOT an option.

Ditto

Nope, never, uh-uh, never was any VAKL
 
Originally posted by joepoe
I did not think the Swan/Dolphin monorail story was made up. I thought that the original idea was to have the monorail go through these hotels, and the original design had to be modified when it was decided at the last minute that building more monorail track and building more trains would have been cost prohibitive.

The Swan and Dolphin are not Disney owned hotels, they are built on land leased from Disney. The company that owns the hotels would be required to pay for a connection to the monorail.

ralphd:D :D :D :D
 
Originally posted by joepoe
I did not think the Swan/Dolphin monorail story was made up. I thought that the original idea was to have the monorail go through these hotels, and the original design had to be modified when it was decided at the last minute that building more monorail track and building more trains would have been cost prohibitive.
It seems that one or more captains on the Friendship Boats (the boats the connect the Epcot resorts with Epcot and Disney-MGM Studios Theme Park) keep telling Walt Disney World guests the "interesting fact" that the black areas on the facades of the Swan and Dolphin can be removed to accommodate future monorail beams. The story has been repeated on Internet bulletin boards and Web sites. And it's undoubtedly been repeated to friends, family, and co-workers by WDW guests.

There are two versions of the story. One version claims that the spaces behind the black areas are big empty voids. The other version claims that they are filled with "temporary" hotel rooms that can be removed.

It's a good story, but it isn't true. The black squares are simply design features to make the large facades more interesting. Architect Michael Graves likes to use of dark and light areas or different materials to break up building facades. I don't know if the captain(s) honestly believe the monorail story, or if they're just having some fun at the guests' expense.

Around the same time that Michael Graves designed the Swan and Dolphin, he also designed the Hyatt Regency La Jolla at Aventine (in California) -- which has three black squares on its facade (see http://aventine.com/frameset/hyattset.htm ). Michael Graves' office tower at Aventine (see http://aventine.com/frameset/officeset.htm ) only has a single black square on it.

By the way, the black areas on the Swan and Dolphin are substantially different in size (about 5 stories tall on the Swan, and about 10 stories tall on the Dolphin) and in elevation (starting about 7 stories up on the Swan, and starting about 10 or more stories up on the Dolphin). I'll have to count the exact number of stories the next time I visit WDW.

They're much taller than they would need to be to accommodate a monorail.

If the beam did go through the Swan and Dolphin, there would not be a logical place to put a station. The beam would be way too high, and the buildings aren't nearly deep enough.

If the builder and architect had really wanted to leave paths for future monorail beams, they could simply have left openings. If they wanted to hide the holes, why did they make the "covering" black instead of really hiding them by dressing them up to look like the rest of the building? Why would they put in "temporary" rooms? (Look up at the black area any evening, and you'll clearly see that there are rooms and people up there.)

One more point... Take a look a the shape of the Dolphin. Where would the elevators need to be to reach the upper floors? Yep; the elevator shafts go through the center of the area behind the black square.
 
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Werner, thank you so much for such a definitive, interesting answer with regard to the Swan/Dolphin monorail rumor.

The same captain on our illluminations cruise who told us about this also told us that the Swan and Dolphin figures on the top of the buildings had mistakenly been put on the wrong buildings. He said that the Swan should have been placed on the building with the grass or rushes painted on the side, and that the Dolphin should have been placed on the building with the waves painted on the side, and in fact they are just the opposite. Is there any truth to this? It didn't make sense to me at the time, because even though I'm sure it would have been very difficult to move those huge figures, it wouldn't have been too hard to repaint the buildings sometime over all these years. He indicated that "somebody got in big trouble over that mistake."

Any truth at all to this one, or is this the captain have fun with the guests again.
 
MK told us that Disney was planning to build a monorail from WDW to the airport!

Actually this one does have factual basis. Disney has tried several times to get a high speed train from the airport to WDW. They tied in the Olympic bid, but had made a push for public funding before that. (I am pretty sure that one of the reasons it never happened was LOUD screams from other Orlando attactions!)
 
I just wanted to agree with Werner - look at every single monorail station platform. They all have to be the length of a monorail - so that the station platform is long enough for the whole monorail to park there and guests to get in the first car or the last car. They are all that long, they have to be. The Swolphins aren't thick enough for a station platform that is the length of a monorail. Just look at it, and you'll see what I mean. It just doesn't make any sense.
 
Originally posted by Cherry
He said that the Swan should have been placed on the building with the grass or rushes painted on the side, and that the Dolphin should have been placed on the building with the waves painted on the side, and in fact they are just the opposite. Is there any truth to this?
I've never heard the story that the statues were placed on the wrong hotels. I find it unlikely.
 
Originally posted by Werner Weiss
I've never heard the story that the statues were placed on the wrong hotels. I find it unlikely.

I heard the same story on our Illuminations Cruise. I did find it difficult to believe.
 
The Swan was built before the Dolphin, wasn't it? How could the figures be on the wrong buildings?

Also, we went on the Disney Magic in June, and the manager at Palo told us that a new ship had been approved, but it was still in the planning stages. The money's there, the ship has not been ordered.
 
Originally posted by VWL2001
The Swan was built before the Dolphin, wasn't it? How could the figures be on the wrong buildings?
Actually, the Swan and Doplhin were built at the same time. It's possible that one opened its doors for business slightly earlier than the other, but they were both under construction at the same time.

I now have a definative answer to the question about the supposedly switched dolphin-fish and swan statues. The book "Building a Dream" by Beth Dunlop (Harry N. Abrahms Inc., 1996) shows the architect's drawing of the Swan Hotel — and the giant swans are on that drawing, just as they were subsequently installed on the building. In other words, there was no mistake made. By the way, the swan and dolphin-fish themes appear elsewhere in the hotels, such as in fountains. Again, there is no mistake.

It seems that the captain's "interesting fact" about the switched statues is just as accurate as his "interesting fact" about the black squares as placeholders for a future monorail beams.
Originally posted by VWL2001
Also, we went on the Disney Magic in June, and the manager at Palo told us that a new ship had been approved, but it was still in the planning stages. The money's there, the ship has not been ordered.
The third ship was only "approved" in that there was funding for planning and design. But until Disney signs a contract with a shipyard, I would not say that a third ship has truly been approved.

Several other cruise lines (NCL, HAL, Royal Caribbean, Princess) have recently contracted with European shipyards for new ships, despite the current exchange rate between the U.S. Dollar and the Euro. But, at this time, Disney seems unwilling to make the investment. I hope there will be a third DCL ship, but until there's a contract, it's premature for the manager at Palo to say that a new ship has been approved.
 
Imagion if the Cruise Ship rumor is true but they combine this with DVC. Imagion a part of the ship for DVC. We could have a ship as our home resort. DVC would help pay for the new ship. Imagion points in the ships being far less than they are today (like 50 points per night). A section of the ship with balconies, just for us.
Now thats a rumor (more just a dream)!!
 
LOL! Sounds like a new DVC dream thread in the making!:teeth:
 
.... and the DVC DCL could be called Disney Imagination!

great rumor...hope it coems true by the time we buy DVC in 2005!
 



















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