DVC Resort at Contemporary?

[ohanafamily]

Well, I can understand that it has a higher maintenance cost, but BWV has a higher maintenance cost than VWL, doesn't it? And that didn't result in a higher point structure.

I'm not convinced that a CR DVC would have a "higher value" as you assert, and I think that's really the issue. You cannot beat being right on the BoardWalk, with an easy walk to two theme parks IMHO.

Good point, but if it were to happen, being on the monorail is a big (sdvertizable) plus...They could also justify a higher rate by making a slightly bigger room.....

 

[ohanafamily]

Depends on your point of view, I guess. IMO, an across-the-board 10% price increase would garner a whole lot more (negative) attention from potential owners than would a point schedule 10% higher than current resorts.

Why? they are constatntly raising the price of NEW points, and it is in our contracts how many points that they can charge for each resort...

Effectivily, the only price increase possible (without lowering the price somewhere else) is on the m aintenance, and the contract mandates the maximum that can be raised.

 

[ohanafamily]

I disagree with that. I doubt buyers would hold more animosity for a higher price than for having to "pay" so many more points for a week at their home resort than the rest of WDW DVC owners.

Here I disagree with you, People will pay more to stay at the Contemporary, Dollars or points; Supply and demand. I mean, it would be nice if the rooms were less expensive than the BCV, but that ain't gonna happen. Disney Knows that this is a very desirable property, and will price it according to the relative demand; we won't have a say in it.....but, if the points were more expensive at that resort, then they would have a hugher value (because of the reservation window) This would adversly complicate the point system (not in Disney's official view). I seriously think that if this were to happen, it would be a few more points per day...

JMHO,

 

[bicker]

Here I disagree with you, People will pay more to stay at the Contemporary, Dollars or points

Sorry, but it just isn't true.

Contemporary Garden Wing $280 - $405 per night
BoardWalk Standard View $294 - $459 per night

And the Contemporary rooms are larger. The BoardWalk simply is a more desireable property.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

Sorry, but it just isn't true.

Contemporary Garden Wing $280 - $405 per night
BoardWalk Standard View $294 - $459 per night

And the Contemporary rooms are larger. The BoardWalk simply is a more desireable property.

I think in terms of this discussion this is a bit apples to oranges. The notion is that one of the Garden Wings would be replaced with a DVC structure. I think that that would alter price structure at the Contemporary. As it stands Disney's pricing does indicate that a Garden Wing room is less desirable than a standard view room at Boardwalk but I sincerely doubt the same would apply to a DVC unit at the Contemporary. Plus Disney's pricing sometimes seems a bit mysterious. One could use this particular arguement to say that a BWV standard view DVC unit is less desirable than a VWL dumpster view.

IMHO a 50% increase in points is much too high without an extension of the home resort advantage in reservations. However I could see a 25% increase in the points required to make a reservation while decreasing the difference between a weekend stay and a weekday stay.

I also can see DVC starting sales before SSR is sold out because the appeal would seem to be to two different groups of purchasers. Haven't they had overlapping sales periods before? Leaving out HHI and VB.

 

[bicker]

As it stands Disney's pricing does indicate that a Garden Wing room is less desirable than a standard view room at Boardwalk but I sincerely doubt the same would apply to a DVC unit at the Contemporary.

Oh, I surely agree with that -- that a DVC unit would compare more favorably than the current Garden Wing does, and therefore a DVC at the Contemporary would be considered on par with the DVC at the BoardWalk.

 

[tjkraz]

I disagree with that. I doubt buyers would hold more animosity for a higher price than for having to "pay" so many more points for a week at their home resort than the rest of WDW DVC owners.

OK, then let's take a look at some sample numbers.

Our proposed family wants to buy enough points to spend a week in a One Bedroom Villa during Dream Season:

Option 1: 252 points @ $108ea = $27K
Option 2: 277 points @ $98ea = $27K

Both of these options would give the CR owner the same ability to stay a week under different point schedules. The difference is that Option 1 has a point schedule identical to BCV, VWL, et al. while Option 2 is 10% higher.

Under Option 2, the CR owner could get MORE nights at a different DVC resort if they choose not to book their Home. Conversely, a current DVC member must use a larger proportion of his/her current points to stay a night at the CR. The detriment is to CURRENT members, not owners at CR.

This could also help manage demand for the CR as SOME existing members would certainly re-think booking at the CR due to the high point requirements.

If I were a potential DVC member given my choice of the above (which obviously wouldn't happen), I'd choose #2.

 

[tjkraz]

Why? they are constatntly raising the price of NEW points, and it is in our contracts how many points that they can charge for each resort...

Yes, but we're talking about a resort that doesn't even exist yet. DVC / DVD can set the point charts wherever they want for a new property.

I'm not saying that there won't be a price increase, too. But people are so sensitive to the price that I think a 10% increase in the per-point cost would foster more overall negativity than a 10% increase in the point charts.

 

[ohanafamily]

I think we are all three pretty much on the same page at this point...

1) Disney in it's mysterious and infinite wisdom will do what it deems best without consulting us

2) CR rooms will probably cost more points than the existing properties because they will make it seem more expensive, even though it should be priced similar to Boardwalk

3) the cost of points will go up, but I don't think CR points will cost more; it makes the bookkeeping too difficult.

4) this is all speculation anyhow...

 

[mitros]

I beleive this subject came up before on the boards. At the time I had suggested that perhaps they take one of the remaining spots on the monorail where another resort was supposed to go, {I think there is one more spot other then the area where they kept putting in pylons, and they just kept sinking into the swamp- like area} and just build a whole new DVC resort from scratch? How would that fit in with this current discussion folks?

 

[DVCconvert]

1) Disney in it's mysterious and infinite wisdom will do what it deems best without consulting us

I'd be "shocked"!

2) CR rooms will probably cost more points than the existing properties because they will make it seem more expensive, even though it should be priced similar to Boardwalk

Geee, Ya Think?

3) the cost of points will go up, but I don't think CR points will cost more; it makes the bookkeeping too difficult.

Wrong! The price Will go up!

4) this is all speculation anyhow...

Really??

 

[SoCalKDG]

Contemporary room occupancy is the reason DVC's are even being considered. By making a wing DVC, they accomplish two goals. One, less supply for cash guests, thus the premium price being charged is justified and room occupancy goes up. Two, you have a whole wing filled all the time, with money from DVC paying for all the renovations at the whole contemporay.

They might even make all the Contemporary rooms Studios, 16 points weekdays, 34 points weekends, week total of 148 points. Selling cost of $105 per point.

Thats my prediction. Next.

 

[Princeton Charming1]

Great another timeshare resort. What's the deal? Disney selling out again. Hey...here's an idea..how about fixing some of the attractions FIRST. It's Disney World not DVC World.

 

[rocketriter]

Princeton Charming1, the rides and the DVC resorts are built and fixed by different budgets operated by different business entities. There's nothing "selling out" about building DVC resorts, and there's no reason why Disney can't do both.

 

[Princeton Charming1]

Not to offend, but I think you are mistaken. When I look at Disney's annual report, capital is identified by business segment. My guess is that, like in any corporation, the business unit that can show the greatest return on capital gets the money. Since Disney seems to be doing pretty well selling timeshares and since the selling of the timeshare resort is tied to return on investment (essentially it pays back the money invested) it's a no-brainer financially to spend on DVC. DVC resorts are popping up left and right and meanwhile, the theme parks need a good painting and washing.

 

[What the Heck]

I just got off the phone with DVC (ordered their video) and was told that there are no current plans, although the rumor has been around a long time.

 

[DVCconvert]

Prince C1:

Not to offend, but I think you are mistaken. When I look at Disney's annual report, capital is identified by business segment. My guess is that, like in any corporation, the business unit that can show the greatest return on capital gets the money. Since Disney seems to be doing pretty well selling timeshares and since the selling of the timeshare resort is tied to return on investment (essentially it pays back the money invested) it's a no-brainer financially to spend on DVC. DVC resorts are popping up left and right and meanwhile, the theme parks need a good painting and washing.

Prince C1:

Great another timeshare resort. What's the deal? Disney selling out again. Hey...here's an idea..how about fixing some of the attractions FIRST. It's Disney World not DVC World.

Not to offend, but I think you are mistaken. Capital investments in DVD are not line items in park Op's or Capital budgets. DVD is profitable -- WDW resorts are drooling over the possibility of becoming in part a DVC location -- that's because once they do, the op's expenses are transfered to DVC (except when inventory allows the resort to book the space). There is no "selling out". In fact, it's the opposite -- it maximized the revenue stream in co-ordination with expense shifting.

Your arguments about Park Op's/maintainece is vaild, but is a separate one.

 

[YoHo]

In the olden days, Disney World was operated as a single entity. With a single master plan.

Now adays, the resorts are operated as wholly seperate groups fighting with each other for bookings. Thus they all fight over wanting DVC.


Now personally, I think WDW would benefit from being run as a single unit, but that's just me.

 

[Princeton Charming1]

I stand corrected.
Thanks