DVC resale changes coming!?!

What I find funny is the restrictions that DVC has already placed on resale contracts. The actual effect was it stopped resale owners from using their points in a very inefficent manner.

Don't know if I'd call it "very inefficient"...probably "less efficient."

Yes you get the greatest value by using points for DVC resort stays but there is still some value in other uses. Cruises tend to yield $7.50 - 8.00 worth of value for every point. If your dues are around $4.50, you're still paying less for the cruise.

And the DVC initial purchase + dues are a sunk cost--you're committed to paying that amount regardless of when/where/how the points are used. If you want to cruise in a given year but don't really want to do a DVC resort stay, the reservation can be completed in a single phone call with OOP expenses of just $95.

Renting points are an obvious alternative for people aware of the process and willing to undertake...but many just don't want the hassle.

Overall I think we would be very surprised at the volume of points used for Disney Cruises and other non-DVC options.

As to the original topic, I received my Condo Meeting announcement / resort budgets for the 3 properties we own. If memory serves, amendments to the POS are typically listed under the bylaws amendments on page 2 of the notice. And there is nothing in here related to booking window / resale provision changes.

DVC can change administrative rules without actual amendments as long as they do not go counter to the POS. Some of the posts here suggested that DVC/DVD would use its absolute authority to amend the POS and impose even more radical restrictions. That does not appear to be on the horizon.
 
I'm not reading through the other 9 pages of this thread, so don't jump all over me if this was addressed...

wouldn't that seriously hurt the availability of DVC reservations?

So everyone with resale is stuck at one resort (their home resort) and therefore I have a smaller chance of getting a DVC reservation at the resort of my choice???
 
I know this is just a rumor, but given the price disparity right now with AKV, it doesn't surprise me that they might be trying to address that. I started one of the two-tier dvc threads, so I've been expecting this.

If this comes to pass, let me be the first to say I miss Jim Lewis ;)
 
I don't even see why Disney needs to be selling other home resorts that they only acquire through ROFR.


Disney gets points back other ways than ROFR. They foreclose on people who don't pay their dues and also some owners simply give back their contracts if they can't financially handle them anymore.

So the number of points Disney ROFRs is a small percentage of the totall number of points it gets back every month.
 

Missyrose said:
Disney gets points back other ways than ROFR. They foreclose on people who don't pay their dues and also some owners simply give back their contracts if they can't financially handle them anymore.

So the number of points Disney ROFRs is a small percentage of the totall number of points it gets back every month.

Interesting. I was not aware of the large numbers of that sort of thing.
 
I have faith that DVC will act in the best interests of DVC management, regardless of how it plays out for owners.

If I truly felt that I would get out. I know that all decisions will not always benefit me personally for example the discounted PAP but I am glad for others to get it.

I do feel that the current management has the best interests of the membership whether it pleases each member, that would not be possible.
 
What I do not understand, is the reason that points acquired via resale should be treated differently than those acquired directly.

All DVC points originated from a direct sale. There is no 'fake' points.

Resale points are just points which changed owner.
They have the same maintenance fees.

The only people that get advantages by putting restrictions on those points are Disney people. They hope that they will have more direct sales.
And they really try make us beleive that 'resale points' are second class and put restrictions, just to make more people buy direct, and make more money.
Nothing good for us, owners.....


I can read that some people who bought direct think they should get more priviledges, just because they paid higher price.
Those same people does not seem to realise that they will be penalised if, for any reason (financial, health problems, personal reasons) they have to sell their contracts.

Anyway, like others said, this is just rumours... we will wait and see...
 
I see thanks. One has visions of a big red light flashing...'we have one of those resale contracts here guys.... Keep them on hold for as long as possible etc and pretend the resort is fully booked' lol..

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:OMG, too funny! Lights flash, the alarm goes off when you call!
 
My assumption is that only as many points can trade into a resort as can trade out of the resort. As an extreme example what if all BWV and BCV owners are resale owners. None of them could trade out, hence no other members at any other resort that purchased direct could trade into BWV and BCV ever.

i wonder what percentage of all members bought through resale. i would imagine its quite low and could potentually be even lower if more restrictions are in place. So, the effect of these rumored limitations may have little impact on those who have the ability to book any resort.
 
marie1981 said:
What I do not understand, is the reason that points acquired via resale should be treated differently than those acquired directly.

All DVC points originated from a direct sale. There is no 'fake' points.

Resale points are just points which changed owner.
They have the same maintenance fees....

Right. We're all just guessing. There is not necessarily any reason to make a distinction. But suppose they were having trouble selling points at double the resale rate. What might they do? Clumsy and lazy, they might undercut the value of resale points, hurting all DVC owners in order to get more money for themselves. A zero sum game. Alternatively, add value to your direct offerings without screwing resale.
 
If I truly felt that I would get out. I know that all decisions will not always benefit me personally for example the discounted PAP but I am glad for others to get it.

I do feel that the current management has the best interests of the membership whether it pleases each member, that would not be possible.

Don't we have to separate the best interest of DVD v. DVC? I think this would serve the best interest of DVD but can't see any up-side for DVC and its membership.

I must be missing something.

So where's the line? Does Claire manage DVC or DVD? There is clearly a difference.
 
WilsonFlyer said:
Don't we have to separate the best interest of DVD v. DVC? I think this would serve the best interest of DVD but can't see any up-side for DVC and its membership.

Screwing your customers is never in the best interest of the business. It could appear to be in the near term. But it never really is.
 
Don't we have to separate the best interest of DVD v. DVC? I think this would serve the best interest of DVD but can't see any up-side for DVC and its membership.

I can't find the answer to this question anywhere: What is DVD? How is it different to DVC?
 
So... .. would you guys consider buying resale "now"..? even if there arent real changes in place??? maybe that's an entirely different post or poll.? :rolleyes1
 
If I truly felt that I would get out. I know that all decisions will not always benefit me personally for example the discounted PAP but I am glad for others to get it.

I do feel that the current management has the best interests of the membership whether it pleases each member, that would not be possible.
I agree the current DVC leadership is much better than Jim Lewis, et al.

After all, Lewis cooked the books, faked the MF's at Aulani, and got suspended from selling timeshares in Hawaii. As a result, DVC/DVD got nailed with a forced settlement that will cost a TON over the next 50 years of subsidized MF's. That's about as bad as it gets, and he richly deserved to be fired for his unethical behavior.

But any business management team looks out first for their business. They may value their customers (and I think DVC does), but they make decisions based on the best anticipated outcome for their business.
 
Don't we have to separate the best interest of DVD v. DVC? I think this would serve the best interest of DVD but can't see any up-side for DVC and its membership.

I must be missing something.

Well, it's it's sort of an exercise in futility to debate something which hasn't happened yet...something which management may have absolutely no intention of pursuing.

Earlier in the thread someone brought up the issue of a minimum stay, which the rumor mill suggested was coming down the pipe last year. When asked about the minimum stay rumors at last year's condo meeting, one of the execs had to stop himself from laughing as he responded that they have no plans to institute a minimum stay.

So where's the line? Does Claire manage DVC or DVD? There is clearly a difference.

She manages both.

Screwing your customers is never in the best interest of the business. It could appear to be in the near term. But it never really is.

Agree. And DVC execs know this. And that's why I suspect this discussion will eventually fade away just like it has so many other times in the past.

Sad part is there are members who get themselves so worked up over false rumors that they seem to harbor ill will toward Disney/DVC for things that never even happened. :headache:

So... .. would you guys consider buying resale "now"..? even if there arent real changes in place??? maybe that's an entirely different post or poll.? :rolleyes1

I would, because I suspect there is no substance to these rumors. Again. Just like last time. And the time before that...
 
For example, if you like BLT
BLT 50 Points direct through Disney $158-165:scared1:
BLT 50 Points resale through TSS $99-102 :santa:

I think what hurt Disney direct purchases is when Disney stopped exercising ROFR and resale prices dropped...I am shocked that BLT isn't 125+ on resale market...

I remember selling my BCV for $90 in 1 day when BCV direct was sold out but still available for $105...in 2007...
 





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