DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[chalee94]

i was surprised by the changes last year. this year is just the continuation of the same.

but be aware that a mod will probably be along shortly to lock this thread. here is the appropriate thread for discussion of the 2011 pt charts.

 

[tjkraz]

My claim was more based on reading posts on these boards that BWV and BLT std are two of the more difficult to get if you don't book at 11 months. Nothing wrong with that, everyone always says buy where you want to stay, just think this may start being more the case then in the past.

Standard View categories are also among the smallest in the program. If memory serves, only about 10% of BLT is Standard View while 70% is Lake View.

We really have no way of knowing whether Standard View fills up early because of high demand or simply because there are so few rooms. I'm sure it's a combination of the two to some degree, and DVC would have access to those statistics.

I will say that AKV Standard View appears to have fairly low demand, as well as being in the minority of rooms.

whats to stop big point renters booking all the weekends, effectivley blocking others from booking full weeks?

Biggest factor would be demand. What's the market for renting points on the weekends? DVC members can use their own points for weekend stays. Disney runs a lot of cash specials for FL residents and AP holders.

Why would a speculative renter even bother reserving a block of weekend dates? What's the market for getting rid of those rooms?

I'm sure there will be a rise in reservations from members who live within driving distance. But given the fact that weekend reservations are currently so low, seeing a rise in those numbers is a good thing for us all. Those who still plan to use points predominately for weekdays should find greater availability as some members begin to move their points away from weekdays and toward weekends.

Owners living close by will definitely be jumping on the weekends.

Good! Weekends are so under-utilized now that there is plenty of room to absorb additional demand. And that will free-up dates during the week.

The charts do still demand a high cost for weekend stays and there are only so many members who live within easy driving distance. Overall I don't think this will immediately cause the program to shift to a point where weekends are immediately gobbled-up at 11 months.

DVC may prove to be a more appealing purchase for nearby residents now, so there is likely to be a gradual shift over time much the same way that demand for weekdays continued to rise under the old charts. But as long as DVC continues to monitor the situation and adjust when necessary, I doubt we will ever reach a point where weekend far exceeds weekdays. Not with these new charts.

 

[lugnut33]

One thing I'll enjoy is not freaking out over how many extra points it takes to stay on a weekend. I'm much more inclined to take a weekend trip now.

Last May my wife and I did a weenend trip and I felt bad using up all those points for a weekend stay. Now it won't be that big of a deal.

 

[Dancind]

Wow, the BCV studio change for October is a big change. 15 points for a weeknight, 16 for the weekend. If I lived near Orlando, owned BCV, and wanted to book every Food & Wine weekend, I would be thrilled.

Since I live in New Mexico, own at BCV, and like to go for a week or so every October, not so much. I'm going to have to get up really early to get my whole week, crossing my fingers and toes all the while.

 

[wildernessDad]

Looking at the VWL charts from 2010 and 2011, it looks like they're trying to further flatten out the points required for a stay.

However, surprisingly to me, the weekly requirement in December is 'about the same' in 2011 versus 2010. Personally, I am happy about that result.

 

[Dee77]

I haven't looked at the exact numbers for the dates we have been traveling, or compared the numbers based on what we think we may need a for trip we are considering for next year. With that in mind, my initial thoughts are that I am disappointed. I have only been a member since Nov 2008 and very quickly there have been 2 adjustments to the point charts in back to back years. And from what I understand, they hadn't changed the charts for 15 years or so... It makes me wonder what's in store for us down the road.

 

[Paging Tom Morrow]

Looks to me that the disparity of weekday/weekends has been drastically reduced. Guess too many people have been vacationing Sunday - Friday....

 

[Mickey'sApprentice]

Aren't there other options though? Like booking a couple of nights at a value, or an offsite location, or trying out Universal hotels?

I'm not that alarmed really. We'll come up with something. IF we go less, it will be because we've gone too much lately. I would really like to stay in a 1 bedroom more often.

We already stay a couple of nights at a moderate or value, and I expect that to continue. Although...we always did that to avoid weekend night points.

Off-property?? What's that?

Our off-property experiences over the years have consisted of: tourist traps, high pressure sales pitches, traffic, cockroaches, rotten oranges, and general headaches.

 

[LIFERBABE]

One thing I'll enjoy is not freaking out over how many extra points it takes to stay on a weekend. I'm much more inclined to take a weekend trip now.

Last May my wife and I did a weenend trip and I felt bad using up all those points for a weekend stay. Now it won't be that big of a deal.

Yes, that 98 points X2 for the THV on our Dec 20 to Jan 1 stay just about killed me!!! Almost 200 points for 2 nights!! I did NOT want to move so we sucked it up but it hurt!
My usage was that we would stay 12 nights just to average the weekend points out during Premier season.

 

[dizfan]

For us, the change isn't very significant. We fly down for 7-8 nights so it doesn't impact us much.

Since we were willing to do split stays, the 2009+2010 point charts made it easier for us to book BLT during the lower point week days and book elsewhere for the higher point weekends.

Now, we may move less.

We'll look at the new system, figure out how we want to take advantage of it and go from there. Just like before buying DVC, we looked for what we felt were deals and booked them.

 

[RickinPA]

The flames are going to start soon as they increased weekday stays again. I will say though, I only joined in June 08, but this is starting to bother me. As soon as I join, there's reallocations every year!

Any change will adversely affect some just as no changes will adversely affect others. I'm sorry that this change had a negative impact on you.

We joined in Sept 2008. Our guide explained the point reallocation process with us. We realized that this would be a tradeoff for not having to lock into the same week every year such as a traditional timeshare.

We love the flexibility of DVC.

With that said, after last year's reallocation, we purchased a small add on contract so that we will be staying a full calendar week.

I have a question for those who purchased a resell contract. Were you told about possible point reallocations when you settled?


I have a question for those who purchased a resell contract. Were you told about possible point realllocations when you settled?

 

[bookwormde]

After mulling it over I am thinking that they probably narrowed the weekday/weekend ration to far. I know I was mostly a Sun-Thur. Person but with only a 10-20% difference I will do at least 2 and maybe 3 weekends a visit (and will have to take 2-4 less vacation day off from work. Add the local folk who can now stay to just weekends reasonably economically, if there are a lot more out there like me weekends may become very hard to get. Time will tell.

bookwormde

 

[SuzanneSLO]

After mulling it over I am thinking that they probably narrowed the weekday/weekend ration to far. I know I was mostly a Sun-Thur. Person but with only a 10-20% difference I will do at least 2 and maybe 3 weekends a visit (and will have to take 2-4 less vacation day off from work. Add the local folk who can now stay to just weekends reasonably economically, if there are a lot more out there like me weekends may become very hard to get. Time will tell.

bookwormde

I suspect that most locals who want to book weekends only (or pimarily) will not be competing for those nights when the 11 month booking window opens. We live about 4 hours from DL and didn't buy at GCV because we have never planned (and actually taken) a trip to DL 7 months out so the home resort advantage would be of no benefit to us. I suspect those near WDW are the same, rarely planning a quick 2 or 3 night trip 7 to 11 months in advance.-- Suzanne

 

[musical2]

This impact us negatively also. We are usually a 12 day in a row user. During the time we usually go, this amounts to an 18 point increase. Not much in the total scheme of things, but it does put a pinch in the points we have.

Yikes! It is actually worse than I thought. The same 12 days are actually 50 points more than the last time we went (2009). Since we aren't going this year, but next in 2011, this really puts a pinch in our points.

 

[RickinPA]

Yikes! It is actually worse than I thought. The same 12 days are actually 50 points more than the last time we went (2009). Since we aren't going this year, but next in 2011, this really puts a pinch in our points.

50 points more?!?!?

Please post the date you were planning. I have studied the charts and don't see a 50 point increase. Am I missing something????

 

[tidefan]

I'm not that alarmed really. We'll come up with something. IF we go less, it will be because we've gone too much lately. I would really like to stay in a 1 bedroom more often.

We already stay a couple of nights at a moderate or value, and I expect that to continue. Although...we always did that to avoid weekend night points.

Off-property?? What's that?

Our off-property experiences over the years have consisted of: tourist traps, high pressure sales pitches, traffic, cockroaches, rotten oranges, and general headaches.

You could also book at (gasp!) OKW and save points...

 

[Sandisw]

50 points more?!?!?

Please post the date you were planning. I have studied the charts and don't see a 50 point increase. Am I missing something????

It sounds like the increase the poster was talking about was from the 2009 trip they took to the one for 2011 (so that 50 point increase is a result of both the 2010 and 2011 changes).

 

[Mickey'sApprentice]

You could also book at (gasp!) OKW and save points...

I think I would like OKW, but not as much as my beloved boardwalk.

 

[silmarg]

I have a question for those who purchased a resell contract. Were you told about possible point realllocations when you settled?

While I did purchase resale, prior to purchasing I did the official DVC tour and was lurking these very boards for many months prior to that. I knew about reallocation from these boards. The DVC guide sort of glossed over it - but he knew I knew most of the ropes... once I used the term "BLT" and mentioned "resales at SSR for $65"... he knew this was no ordinary demo.

As far as the resellers go, I don't think they have a legal obligation to tell you all the intricacies of how DVC works (unlike DVC who does), but I think all of the resellers I dealt with would've answered any DVC question you had (and I dealt w Jamie from TSS, Shontell at DVCbyResale and Jaki/**** at **********). I really knew what I wanted (SSR, Aug UY, not stripped) that it never got to the point where we talk about DVC nuances.

 

[tinkerfan1]

I figured out my same major vacation from 2009 and 2010 for 2011 and ended up better off in 2011 both times. So, it appears that this new allocation helped me. I haven't really dug into it to figure out how but I'm pleased at first glance.