DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[LisaS]

There is a ~50% change in the points required when they moved the april dates (11th-30th in 2010) from the choice season to the magic season (april 1st-14th). Part of the april dates remain unchanged in the premier season.

Are they allowed to move partial months from one season to another?

They do that every year based on Easter. The week before and week after Easter are in Premier season, the rest of March and April is in Magic season, at least for the WDW resorts. Since the actual date for Easter changes each year, so do the two weeks that are moved from Magic to Premier season.

 

[daisygirl902]

Am I the only person who looks at these charts and shrugs?

For me, I can't get upset with what they set, but rather I look forward to scouring the charts and finding out the new best deals and how to take advantage and make the most out of my points.

I'm excited!

I'm with you....I will change things around and have fun doing it....I'll have to be creative but it gives me a reason to play with my DVC spreadsheet!

 

[LisaS]

Thank you Lisa for checking. You would think that would be a booking category for Special Needs and not up for grabs at 11 months. At least that unit has the whirlpool tub.

My biggest gripe regarding AKV Concierge is the 1 bedroom with the roll in shower and NO tub being the same points or more than the other 1 bed units. Now that CL points have increased for 2011, I will never ever book a 1 bed CL villa only CL studios. Im not paying double points for a net gain of a kitchen I dont need because Im in CL, laundry, and a king bed.

And again, we are just speculating on exactly which GVs will be considered Standard View. That one near the Jambo House pool seems the most likely choice but perhaps this new category was created due to the location of one or more of the GVs in Kidani.

I agree with you about the 1BR Concierge rooms. Although we prefer staying in 1BRs, we opted for a studio for our AKV Concierge stay and it worked out fine. I don't like the odds of ending up without a jacuzzi and didn't miss the kitchen when we stayed up there. I wish they had made more of those 6th floor rooms into studios and fewer 1BRs since I think a lot of people agree and it would increase the chances of getting a room up there. Given the increase in points required for a Concierge stay, I think the studios will be even more popular now.

 

[88golf88]

We seem to be in the minority as we are not as affected by the point switch as some are, but if you stop and think about it, I bet you are still saving money over paying rack rates and Im pretty sure thats why you all bought into and we are going to be buying into DVC.

It is extremely unfortunate for those that were planning major trips in 2011 and now they have to change. That is where Disney needs to step up and announce these sooner. I may be stating the obvious here, but they need to see how December plays out if they are really going to make an "informed decision" when it comes to changing things around. Now the problem is, we all dont necessarily agree with their "informed decision."

 

[BWV Dreamin]

The "going rate" was $10 for many years despite an average annual increase in dues of around 3% per year. Prices did start to go up a bit to $11-$12 a couple of years ago but due to the economy a lot more members seem to be renting out their points and those looking to rent are shopping for the best possible deal so that has pushed the price back down. I don't see the reallocation affecting rental rates.

I disagree. The standard views will be more in demand. At an increase in rental rate per point will still be cheaper than a bottom rate for preferred and savanna, lake/mk views as these points per night have really increased.

 

[drewmisha]

In 2010 easter (4th) is in the early part of the month and hence premier (4/1-10).
In 2011 easter (24th) is in the latter part of the month and hence premier (4/15-30).

What I don't get is that for 2010, april 11th-30th is in the choice season and
for 2011, april 1st-14th is now the magic season. It seems DVC took the other part of april (not easter/premier) and upped the point requirements. Maybe it's because of springbreak (some years it falls in line with easter and other years it doesn't)?

They do that every year based on Easter. The week before and week after Easter are in Premier season, the rest of March and April is in Magic season, at least for the WDW resorts. Since the actual date for Easter changes each year, so do the two weeks that are moved from Magic to Premier season.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Yes, but Fri and Sat are less, doesn't that help?

I have mixed feelings. While this change doesn't affect my habits (I'm pretty flexible). It's definitely going to be more difficult to book a weekend.

 

[doconeill]

What I don't get is that for 2010, april 11th-30th is in the choice season and
for 2011, april 1st-14th is now the magic season. It seems DVC took the other part of april (not easter/premier) and upped the point requirements. Maybe it's because of springbreak (some years it falls in line with easter and other years it doesn't)?

I already mentioned this in my previous post - I'm looking at the 2010 charts right now, and April is NOT in Choice season at all - it is either Magic or Premier (the top two tiers), just as it is in 2011, and just as it was in 2009. Nothing has changed, just which two weeks.

 

[pinnocchiosdad]

If the speculation here is correct that it's the Jambo House GV near the pool, it is HA. It has a roll-in shower in the master bath but I think it does also have a whirlpool tub. I remember a trip report from someone who stayed there who was disappointed due to the roll-in shower, I think due to the usual problem where the water from the shower ended up all over the bathroom floor.

ETA: Just looked at the floor plan for that GV. It shows a whirlpool tub in addition to the roll-in shower.

Roll in shower

 

[Chuck S]

Since the charts have been released, I'm going to move this thread over to Mousecellaneous for discussion, as the 2010 point changes were discussed on Mousecellaneous.

 

[LisaS]

In 2010 easter (4th) is in the early part of the month and hence premier (4/1-10).
In 2011 easter (24th) is in the latter part of the month and hence premier (4/15-30).

What I don't get is that for 2010, april 11th-30th is in the choice season and
for 2011, april 1st-14th is now the magic season. It seems DVC took the other part of april (not easter/premier) and upped the point requirements. Maybe it's because of springbreak (some years it falls in line with easter and other years it doesn't)?

I don't know the answer to that. For the WDW resorts, April is always divided between Magic and Premier. I don't know why they did things differently for GCV in 2010.

 

[drewmisha]

I already mentioned this in my previous post - I'm looking at the 2010 charts right now, and April is NOT in Choice season at all - it is either Magic or Premier (the top two tiers), just as it is in 2011, and just as it was in 2009. Nothing has changed, just which two weeks.

Can you look again?!? I just wented into dvcmembers.com and checked the 2010 chart and right under choice season is April 11-30th. I also looked at the little 2010 chart compendium they sent us in spring last year and it is the same. Can others check also? I agree there is no change for 2009 & 2010, but for 2011, part of april went from choice to magic while the other part of april is premier.

Not trying to get you upset but wondering whether DVC short changed us...

 

[doconeill]

Can you look again?!? I just wented into dvcmembers.com and checked the 2010 chart and right under choice season is April 11-30th. I also looked at the little 2010 chart compendium they sent us in spring last year and it is the same. Can others check also? I agree there is no change for 2009 & 2010, but for 2011, part of april went from choice to magic while the other part of april is premier.

Not trying to get you upset but wondering whether DVC short changed us...

Which chart specifically?

 

[Chuck S]

Can you look again?!? I just wented into dvcmembers.com and checked the 2010 chart and right under choice season is April 11-30th. I also looked at the little 2010 chart compendium they sent us in spring last year and it is the same. Can others check also? I agree there is no change for 2009 & 2010, but for 2011, part of april went from choice to magic while the other part of april is premier.

Not trying to get you upset but wondering whether DVC short changed us...

Which resort? For OKW April 2010 and 2011 are Magic & Premier, no days in April are in Choice

 

[LisaS]

Which chart specifically?

He's looking at the VCG chart and he is correct about part of April being in Choice season in 2010 and being moved to Magic season for 2011. The VCG (or is it GCV?) chart is quite different from the charts for the WDW resorts. Lots of dates are in different seasons when compared to WDW resorts.

 

[CarolMN]

Demand patterns for the Disneyland Resorts in California are different from those for the WDW resorts.

To avoid confusion, it would help if everyone would include the name of the resort when talking about the changes.

 

[doconeill]

Can you look again?!? I just wented into dvcmembers.com and checked the 2010 chart and right under choice season is April 11-30th. I also looked at the little 2010 chart compendium they sent us in spring last year and it is the same. Can others check also? I agree there is no change for 2009 & 2010, but for 2011, part of april went from choice to magic while the other part of april is premier.

Not trying to get you upset but wondering whether DVC short changed us...

Which chart specifically?

Ah, wait...you are talking specifically about the Grand Californian (had to look at all of them to figure that out). That is probably in a unique situation as they work out the demand of the seasons as they may be different at DL than at WDW. It seems like they brought that more in line with WDW.

They CAN do it...but it does mean that some other dates must have been shuffled around to a lower tier I believe.

 

[drewmisha]

I don't know the answer to that. For the WDW resorts, April is always divided between Magic and Premier. I don't know why they did things differently for GCV in 2010.

I guess they are trying to bring the gcv chart to be more inline with the wdw dvc's. Either way, I believe for some (including me) it will cost us more points overall for this month.

A quick example my april (springbreak) 11-15th (4 nites studio) for 2010 cost 68 points. Now for 2011, april 10th-14th (4 nites) now cost 104 points just due to the season change.

 

[Cmbar]

The line for the Standard View Grand Villa at AKV starts behind me!!

And the OKW Grand Villa is just sick!!

And I do agree, this is just more fair to distribute the costs more evenly among all members. At the Condo Meeting in December, JL said the biggest complaint of members was availability.

In 2011 members will base their stays more on when and where and less on the days of the week to avoid which should spread everyone out a little more and free up the logjam that was Sun-Thur.

Last year I went 7 times on points and they all included at least a Saturday night if not 3 weekend nights.

I like 2011 Charts much more than 2010 because at least it's fair.

I am kinda missing what is more fair about this? How are members treated differently. We all paid for our points, so I am confused by what you mean is more fair?

I have figured out all the trips I have taken in the last two years and in EVERY case my points went up. How is that more fair? It seems eveytime they do a reallocation it will be unfair to some members.


WHAT I FIND frustrating is that you can NO LONGER rely on the charts. My week trip in the summer went up 10 points. My trip this June went up 20 points (we are doing bigger accomodations). I now have to buy a minimum 50 point add on to be able to travel the same as I planned for many years to come. But next year it may go up another 10 and so on. So what I think is totatlly UNFAIR is that DVC mislead us profoundly by saying the points charts never change (please do not tell me they didn't say that.... we all know that a majority of us sat in those little rooms with the sales reps saying the same thing for that 10 or 12 years.) Now it is going to be a floating chart for forever. I don't believe one bit they will be adjusting and sticking with one thing ever. So now what used to be a reliable vacation planning tool is now all over the place. I find that totally unfair to ALL the members.

 

[DebbieB]

Can we split this thread into pre-release and post-release discussion? Maybe there wouldn't be so many new threads popping up if this one started with the post-release discussion. This one starts on 12/7/09.