DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[RobDoc]

I'm a "pre-Attic" BWV owner. In Doc's post, which quotes from a 1995 Disney publication, it's called the Disney Vacation Club's Attic! Why, oh why can't we use it??!! How was it taken away, when it was named that? Were the owners compensated?

Bobbi

The Attic was never open to the public even when the BWV first opened. I suspect it's inclusion in early promo literature was countered by some caveat in the POS for the resort, but members never got to use it. In many ways, it was promoted much like the TOTWL at BLT as a member's only area. At least TOTWL has been actually used as promised so far.

At HH, the private island was included in the sales information and later withdrawn with a compensation for those early buyers who had not closed. We purchased in march 1995 , a full year before opening, at $61.50 per point and a few months before closing in 1996, we received new paperwork with the price lowered almost $5 per point due to the modification of what would be included.

I still have not located the early BWV point charts, but have found DVC Vacation Magic magazines from Spring, 1993 until it was discontinued in favor of the current Disney Files. The change is interesting.

 

[Dean]

I still have not located the early BWV point charts, but have found DVC Vacation Magic magazines from Spring, 1993 until it was discontinued in favor of the current Disney Files. The change is interesting.

I'm pretty sure I have it at home but it'll be a week before I'm back. Hopefully someone else will find it before then.

 

[Shamus]

I have some old print outs from some of the old DVC fan sites which I went back to earlier in order to refresh my memory about the 1998 SV introduction.

DVClubber's points charts only show a single BWV category for 1997 and both PV and SV for 1998.

Sue Kobel mentions in 1997 "DVC expects to have standard view rooms declared into the condominium by mid-1998, so they have added those points to their charts. There will not be many of these rooms, so availability will be limited. I've added these points to my points table charts.

That's what makes be believe my 1998 recollection is correct.

 

[Dean]

I have some old print outs from some of the old DVC fan sites which I went back to earlier in order to refresh my memory about the 1998 SV introduction.

DVClubber's points charts only show a single BWV category for 1997 and both PV and SV for 1998.

Sue Kobel mentions in 1997 "DVC expects to have standard view rooms declared into the condominium by mid-1998, so they have added those points to their charts. There will not be many of these rooms, so availability will be limited. I've added these points to my points table charts.

That's what makes be believe my 1998 recollection is correct.

I'm thinking there were actually two different charts for the year of the change.

 

[LisaS]

It appears that the Standard View Grand Villa at AKV is in Kidani Village. It is one of two GVs that face the Pembe Savanna. That particular GV directly faces a very narrow (50-100 feet wide) section of Pembe, with a fence, road and hill behind it so they opted to classify it as a Standard View. The other Pembe-facing GV is slightly further down the north wing in the next building segment. Pembe begins to widen out a bit again at that point and that GV is at an angle to the fence rather than looking at it directly so the view improves somewhat. From what I understand, that GV is considered Savanna View.

The regular rooms in that same section (with the 50-100 foot wide savanna) are considered Std View as well. The rooms on either side are considered Savanna View.

I took some photos from the viewing windows that show just how narrow the savanna is at that point that I will post once I have time to upload them!

 

[MiaSRN62]

Thanks so much for this info LisaS


Maria

 

[hoodedrooster]

A few simple observations and examples:

1. DVC changed the point charts several years ago to be able to show that a sunday through friday stay could be done a lower points and then they lowered the minimum points for sale from 210 to 150. Thus, more people could buy into DVC assuming they could do a 5 night vacation on 150 points. Now, cleaverly and part of the plan from the beginning, they are changing the points (legally) in order to increase the sun to friday stay knowing that some people will see the need to purchase more add-on points in order to maintain their vacations. Interesting how DVC will not publicize the point changes.

2. For BCV, the approximate total number of annual points for a 2-BR is 16,636 which can not increase per contract. Thus, DVC could theoritcally balance all days of week and season such that every night in the year requires approximately 46 points (46x365=16,636).

 

[Chuck S]

A few simple observations and examples:

1. DVC changed the point charts several years ago to be able to show that a sunday through friday stay could be done a lower points and then they lowered the minimum points for sale from 210 to 150. Thus, more people could buy into DVC assuming they could do a 5 night vacation on 150 points. Now, cleaverly and part of the plan from the beginning, they are changing the points (legally) in order to increase the sun to friday stay knowing that some people will see the need to purchase more add-on points in order to maintain their vacations. Interesting how DVC will not publicize the point changes.

I disagree. The original 1991 OKW point chart, when the minimum buy in was 230 points, was more heavily skewed to expensive weekends than the 1996 reallocation. Every reallocation has tended to even the weekends and weekdays to some degree.

 

[CMOORE185]

A few simple observations and examples:

1. DVC changed the point charts several years ago to be able to show that a sunday through friday stay could be done a lower points and then they lowered the minimum points for sale from 210 to 150. Thus, more people could buy into DVC assuming they could do a 5 night vacation on 150 points. Now, cleaverly and part of the plan from the beginning, they are changing the points (legally) in order to increase the sun to friday stay knowing that some people will see the need to purchase more add-on points in order to maintain their vacations. Interesting how DVC will not publicize the point changes.

Do you really believe they are that diabolical? I do not.

 

[Dean]

A few simple observations and examples:

1. DVC changed the point charts several years ago to be able to show that a sunday through friday stay could be done a lower points and then they lowered the minimum points for sale from 210 to 150. Thus, more people could buy into DVC assuming they could do a 5 night vacation on 150 points. Now, cleaverly and part of the plan from the beginning, they are changing the points (legally) in order to increase the sun to friday stay knowing that some people will see the need to purchase more add-on points in order to maintain their vacations. Interesting how DVC will not publicize the point changes.

2. For BCV, the approximate total number of annual points for a 2-BR is 16,636 which can not increase per contract. Thus, DVC could theoritcally balance all days of week and season such that every night in the year requires approximately 46 points (46x365=16,636).

I don't buy the conspiracy theory that this was done with the intent of forcing more add ons, if so, they sure wasted a lot of time and lost a lot of sales while waiting to do so. As for your second point, the POS does not require the 2 BR stay the same, only that the points balance overall. A 3 BR can increase and a 2 BR decrease for example.

 

[wdrl]

I'm slowly collecting data on BWV's Units to determine if and when BWV's total points may have changed due to the introduction of the Standard View category. Its a cumbersome, tedious process but I have the first four BWV Declarations documented, which covers the period through September 24, 1997. I've also documented a much later Declaration from November 30, 1999.

I'm far from complete on this project, but my preliminary findings show no relative point difference between the Units declared in 1997 with those declared in November 1999. In the Units I've verified, BWV has a specific points-to-accommodation formula: A GV = 34,700 points; a two-bedroom = 17,340 points; a dedicated one-bedroom = 11,530 points; and a dedicated studio = 5,815 points. If you know a BWV Unit's accommodation composition, you can predict its point value; likewise, if you know a BWV Unit's point value, you can determine its accommodation composition. By the way, AKV and BLT also adhere to a points-to-accommodation formula that has remained unchanged for all declared Units.

If DVD reduced BWV's total points after the first Declaration, then I should find some Units that deviate from the above formula. Until all Units are checked, I shouldn't draw any conclusions. But I really believe that my findings will be consistent with the assumption that, once a Unit is declared, the relative total points for a Resort cannot be changed.

 

[RobDoc]

There should also be a later declaration than the one from 1999 from when they added more villas when the sales center was moved to SSR. All of the DVC offices (in the wing behind Jellyrolls) were converted into villas - I think that happened in late 2004/early 2005. There are still a couple of models there, but everything else became guest rooms and was declared into member inventory.

 

[wdrl]

There should also be a later declaration than the one from 1999 from when they added more villas when the sales center was moved to SSR. All of the DVC offices (in the wing behind Jellyrolls) were converted into villas - I think that happened in late 2004/early 2005. There are still a couple of models there, but everything else became guest rooms and was declared into member inventory.

I'll eventually get to all the Declarations (remember, in my prior post used the words "cumbersome" and "tedious"). I picked 1999 because I thought it was well after BWV's 1996 opening, and after the introduction of the Standard View category, which everyone seems to remember happened before 1998. Frankly, its a little more exciting reading about Drew Carey's 1997 WDW trip on your other post than trying to read floor plans.

 

[RobDoc]

Thanks to DVC92 who located and scanned point charts from 1996 - 1999, the change did apparently occur with the 1998 point charts - well after sales had begun. It looks like both 1998 and 1999 charts had been released when amended charts were sent out with the SV designation.

Here are the charts:
1996-1997 - 1998 - revised 1998

1999 - revised 1999

2000 - 2009

The BWV point charts for 1996/97, 1998 and 1999 do include the caveat that: "This Vacation Points Chart indicates points usage for "Preferred View" (including views of the Boardwalk, pools,or water) Vacation Homes. Because Disney Vacation Development, Inc. may declare additional units into the Resort that do not have Preferred Views, the ability of Members to always reserve Vacation Homes with Preferred Views is subject to availability, based on the reservation requests of all Members for Vacation Homes with Preferred Views." No similar wording was included in the revised 1998, 1999, 2000 or 2001 BWV point charts.

Click on any image above for a larger view.

 

[DVC92]

Well, it seems like the memory has failed regarding the BWV point charts. I was certain the addition of the Standard View category happened soon after sales had begun - but, thanks to DVC92 who located and scanned point charts from 1996 - 1999, the change did NOT occur until 2000.

Doc,

Did you see the two additional charts I sent for 1998 and 1999 that were dated 10/97 in the lower left corner and included the different views?

DVC92

 

[RobDoc]

Doc,

Did you see the two additional charts I sent for 1998 and 1999 that were dated 10/97 in the lower left corner and included the different views?

DVC92

Thanks - I had missed those. So it does appear that BWV had multiple point charts for 1998 and 1999 that did include the SV designation. Maybe my memory isn't quite as bad as I suspected.

 

[Shamus]

Doc,

Did you see the two additional charts I sent for 1998 and 1999 that were dated 10/97 in the lower left corner and included the different views?

DVC92

The 10/97 date would also support my recollection that in mid 1997 DVC announced anticipated mid 1998 SV declaration/availability.

The BWV point charts for 1996/97, 1998 and 1999 do include the caveat that: "This Vacation Points Chart indicates points usage for "Preferred View" (including views of the Boardwalk, pools,or water) Vacation Homes. Because Disney Vacation Development, Inc. may declare additional units into the Resort that do not have Preferred Views, the ability of Members to always reserve Vacation Homes with Preferred Views is subject to availability, based on the reservation requests of all Members for Vacation Homes with Preferred Views." No similar wording was included in the 2000 or 2001 BWV point charts.

I find the inclusion of the above statement on the 1996 chart to lean more towards the possibility that SV points were actually in the plans all along and not a response to complaints. I do know that SV and PV cash pricing was in effect when we stayed there in 1997.

 

[RobDoc]

The 10/97 date would also support my recollection that in mid 1997 DVC announced anticipated mid 1998 SV declaration/availability.
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At that time, the new point charts were released in the fall each year - so the 1998 charts were first published and sent to all members in September/October, 1996 and the 1999 charts were already printed and in the hands of members by October, 1997. Your recollection sounds correct, since the revised charts were necessary for both 1998 and 1999 reservations and would explain why BWV charts for both of those years needed to be revised. In addition, at that time, they were still actively declaring inventory into DVC for sales at BWV so it sounds as though the SV villas may have been planned for awhile anyway, but possibly not yet declared into member inventory until sometime in late 1997 or 1998. Thus the caveat included in the early point charts and the need for the revised charts since there was no need to include the view category until those units were actually declared into the inventory - even though they may have already been reserving those villas using points in 1996 and 1997.

 

[Shamus]

At that time, the new point charts were released in the fall each year - so the 1998 charts were first published and sent to all members in September/October, 1996 and the 1999 charts were already printed and in the hands of members by October, 1997. Your recollection sounds correct, since the revised charts were necessary for both 1998 and 1999 reservations and would explain why BWV charts for both of those years needed to be revised. In addition, at that time, they were still actively declaring inventory into DVC for sales at BWV so it sounds as though the SV villas may have been planned for awhile anyway, but possibly not yet declared into member inventory until sometime in late 1997 or 1998. Thus the caveat included in the early point charts and the need for the revised charts since there was no need to include the view category until those units were actually declared into the inventory - even though they may have already been reserving those villas using points in 1996 and 1997.

ITA

 

[DVC Mike]

I finally got around to calculating the net difference between the 2009, 2010 and 2011 point charts and the impact to me.

I saved about 20 points a year in the 2010 point reallocation, and about another 20 points per year in the 2011 point reallocation.

This, both point reallocations were beneficial to me! I came out a winner both times. It's like I have 40 more points each year.