DVC point balancing 2022 vs 2021

[KAT4DISNEY]

i.e., would the modern DVC really lower the total points needed for studios per year?

Well we all know how much more popular the 1BR's are.

 

[New Mouse]

So with all the recent shenanigans with point charts, does anyone actually believe they are acting in our best interest anymore? 1brs going up in price, lock off, building bungalows and cabins with the intention of inflating points available to sell with no real place for them to stay, trying to milk breakage $, chopping member services, etc.

 

[Sammie]

So with all the recent shenanigans with point charts, does anyone actually believe they are acting in our best interest anymore? 1brs going up in price, lock off, building bungalows and cabins with the intention of inflating points available to sell with no real place for them to stay, trying to milk breakage $, chopping member services, etc.

If I did not trust them I would sell. It's a wait and see for me.

 

[zavandor]

If I did not trust them I would sell. It's a wait and see for me.

Why would you? If you enjoy booking your vacations onsite for a considerable discount, why should you give up because some of the people in current management do shadowy actions?

 

[Matty B13]

If I did not trust them I would sell. It's a wait and see for me.

This isn't the fault of the "Owners" this is a management issue, this is way different than if you bought a consumer product from a company and you didn't like the way they do business.

 

[SL6827]

Well I am glad to read that Disney is backing off with the 2022 point charts for you owners, but this is two years in a row, right? What will they try next year?

 

[DougEMG]

So with all the recent shenanigans with point charts, does anyone actually believe they are acting in our best interest anymore? 1brs going up in price, lock off, building bungalows and cabins with the intention of inflating points available to sell with no real place for them to stay, trying to milk breakage $, chopping member services, etc.

I believe they are acting in the best interests of DVC. Sometimes member's interests align with DVC's interests, sometimes they don't.

Do I trust them, not in the least. To me they have sunk down to the level of other timeshare developers. What I don't do is let emotion determine if I sell or keep my contracts. As long as the numbers work out for me in my situation then I will continue to own.

I haven't been to WDW since Aug 2019, so I am really looking forward to going back, hopefully in Nov this year if the masks requirements are gone away by then.

 

[Brian Noble]

To me they have sunk down to the level of other timeshare developers.

They've always been just another timeshare developer. The fact that many people think (thought?) otherwise is a testament to TWDC's Reality Distortion Field.

 

[qwerty2k]

Dvc show discussing this has just gone Up. Starting it watch now.

 

[pkrieger2287]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1389212633388265473

 

[ford91exploder]

They absolutely are engaging in illegal activities against the membership. I have been floored by how brazen they have been. Part of me has just tried to shelve it because it is so disturbing. Disregard for the law and what is right by people in power seems to be a trend in our culture and is very frightening. Almost every one in my family and extended family is an attorney. All kinds of law, some in business, and 2 work for multinational corporations. They have looked at it. But regardless, if you just read the contract yourself, it is clear. You don’t need an attorney to see it.

There is a documentary called 'The Corporation' and it's major point is that because of inadequate psychological screening many senior executives are sociopaths and as such cause the organization as a whole to behave in a sociopathic manner. Sadly our beloved Disney is apparently one of these organizations. In the past most large corporations had 'leadership schools' GE was the most famous with it's Crotonville campus. But a major part of these schools was to ensure that sociopaths got 'stuck' in middle management where they could contribute usefully. Unfortunately with the demise of these schools we've gone back to the septic tank system the really big chunks float to the top because of their sociopathy and utter disregard for anyone other than themselves.

 

[ford91exploder]

They've always been just another timeshare developer. The fact that many people think (thought?) otherwise is a testament to TWDC's Reality Distortion Field.

I would disagree as would most EARLY DVC members, until Iger and his crew arrived DVC really was different from the points system to the obsessive customer service and in the early days park passes for all members of your party and after that DEEPLY discounted AP's. Iger disassembled all that and made DVC just another timeshare and it's quality and service are on the trajectory of a falling safe.

 

[ford91exploder]

I believe they are acting in the best interests of DVC. Sometimes member's interests align with DVC's interests, sometimes they don't.

Do I trust them, not in the least. To me they have sunk down to the level of other timeshare developers. What I don't do is let emotion determine if I sell or keep my contracts. As long as the numbers work out for me in my situation then I will continue to own.

I haven't been to WDW since Aug 2019, so I am really looking forward to going back, hopefully in Nov this year if the masks requirements are gone away by then.

The LAW states that DVC must act in the best interests of the MEMBERS not DVC.

 

[ford91exploder]

Why would you? If you enjoy booking your vacations onsite for a considerable discount, why should you give up because some of the people in current management do shadowy actions?

Because if you have a sense of ethics you realize that remaining a member makes you an enabler of the bad acts being committed by management

 

[ford91exploder]

So with all the recent shenanigans with point charts, does anyone actually believe they are acting in our best interest anymore? 1brs going up in price, lock off, building bungalows and cabins with the intention of inflating points available to sell with no real place for them to stay, trying to milk breakage $, chopping member services, etc.

I stopped believing it years ago thats why I sold and it just continues to get worse.

 

[ford91exploder]

I fear we may end up distilling thoughts to simple difference of opinion, but mine is that this matter is egregious enough to warrant close examination of the contract allowance. The publicized messaging didn't initially come across as a mitigation measure for a specific time, nor describe a circumstance necessary to end those mitigation measures. The actions were a reinterpretation and application of contract language. If the inflation didn't impact ownership valuation, and was solely to "eat up" reservations / point cost for a well-defined period of time, perhaps I could be swayed to a "one time exception." This would rely on DVCM acknowledging they are moving from the standard interpretation in order to benefit membership by explicit, demonstrable efforts. I hear that you're willing to give a few years to see where it goes. I suppose my threshold is much shorter, because I have no basis to think the total points required to reserve or base year calculation, or seasonal point chart costs would ever revert to prior, standard interpretation.

Moreover, I don't know that the assumption of higher point values to reserve= more points eaten up. That relies on the assumption that owners will book within those higher seasons. The points will not be eaten up if they cannot book due to higher points costs, or just prefer not to book in those higher cost seasons in order to maximize their available points. If either of these situations occur to a significant degree, then the points exist unused, and if unused points somehow lead to unused rooms, then breakage becomes more substantial pure income, beyond the 2.5% cost recovery.

I've long thought that ALL breakage income should be used to offset member fees.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

There is a documentary called 'The Corporation' and it's major point is that because of inadequate psychological screening many senior executives are sociopaths and as such cause the organization as a whole to behave in a sociopathic manner. Sadly our beloved Disney is apparently one of these organizations. In the past most large corporations had 'leadership schools' GE was the most famous with it's Crotonville campus. But a major part of these schools was to ensure that sociopaths got 'stuck' in middle management where they could contribute usefully. Unfortunately with the demise of these schools we've gone back to the septic tank system the really big chunks float to the top because of their sociopathy and utter disregard for anyone other than themselves.

I will check out that documentary. Thanks.
Today, there is also the added social justice agenda of large corporation CEOs that confuses what a company’s purpose really is and seems to put customer experience on the back burner.

 

[howardlee2]

I would disagree as would most EARLY DVC members, until Iger and his crew arrived DVC really was different from the points system to the obsessive customer service and in the early days park passes for all members of your party and after that DEEPLY discounted AP's. Iger disassembled all that and made DVC just another timeshare and it's quality and service are on the trajectory of a falling safe.

I disagree to a point. I believe DVC is one the few if only timeshares that has maintained its value over the years. Almost everything else out there could be bought on the secondary market for a fraction of the original cost. Now as far as the perks, the free passes (which we enjoyed to the max!) were always set to expire in 2000. They were there to help jumpstart the sales of DVC. Unfortunately the service to us members has been on a slow decline the pace of which has increased sharply with the pandemic.

 

[Brian Noble]

obsessive customer service

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I've never thought Disney's customer service was particularly good. It's usually very cheerful, but it's never been very effective. Disney as a hotelier has never even been at the level of one of the better business-class brands like a Westin---at least, not in my experience.

Disney is a business that sells happiness. That's not the same as "Disney wants me, personally, to be happy," but a lot of folks conflate the two especially when they are newer customers. Inevitably, something happens which shines a light on the difference, and for many that is a significant point of disillusionment. But, it was always an illusion---albeit a very good one.

 

[ford91exploder]

I disagree to a point. I believe DVC is one the few if only timeshares that has maintained its value over the years. Almost everything else out there could be bought on the secondary market for a fraction of the original cost. Now as far as the perks, the free passes (which we enjoyed to the max!) were always set to expire in 2000. They were there to help jumpstart the sales of DVC. Unfortunately the service to us members has been on a slow decline the pace of which has increased sharply with the pandemic.

we loved the free passes as well but we knew they were going away and guide emphasized they were going away but that was replaced by deeply discounted ticket media, Compare to now where the ticket media is lightly discounted