DVC offering mean sales at a stall?!

[Beca]

Dr Tommorrow....thanks!!!!

mikayla's mom...buying more points at BCV only helps with future availability at the 8-11 month window. It doesn't help after that. Someone on the "waiting to add-on thread" has been waiting for points for 9 months with no luck. If you are "thinking" about adding on, I would definitely go ahead and get on the list.



Beca

 

[DrTomorrow]

One other thing just struck me about SSR sales. I can understand the idea that Disney is offering extra incentives because SSR isn't selling well. I disagree with it, but it is possible. However, if SSR isn't selling well, why on earth would they be planning on building even more buildings at SSR?

It's one thing to get stuck with a product that isn't selling and offer a discount to get rid of it. But to say "This stuff isn't selling, we need to offer a discount - so let's buy a lot more of it" rings false.

 

[Daitcher]

One other thing just struck me about SSR sales. I can understand the idea that Disney is offering extra incentives because SSR isn't selling well. I disagree with it, but it is possible. However, if SSR isn't selling well, why on earth would they be planning on building even more buildings at SSR?

It's one thing to get stuck with a product that isn't selling and offer a discount to get rid of it. But to say "This stuff isn't selling, we need to offer a discount - so let's buy a lot more of it" rings false.

Your post couldn't be more on the money. You never expand original plans if the demand isn't there. This new incentive is not that great of a deal. It is comparative to other incentives offered in the past. They are just being a little more creative. Many people jumped on this opportuntiy without thinking it through. Big deal, 100 points for one time use. Disney's creative thinking is pushing sales even higher. Just look at all the buzz on these boards about this mediocre incentive. Now if they start offering points for $56/point like someone stated they did on a cruise I am adding on in a heartbeat. By the way I highly doubt this ever happened. Where are the other people backing this poster up?

DAVE

 

[SoCalKDG]

Add me down for a 1000 points as well at that price.
We would have seen something on the cruise section of disboards if this were true.

 

[SoCalKDG]

"DVC offering mean sales"........."at a stall?"

My first thought when I saw this thread was that CM's were taking hard line tactics with the selling of DVC, putting you in a smallish room to do it.

 

[Tramp68]

Well, if he gets that offer again, put me down for 2000 points. I'll immediately sell them on the resale market for $70-80 each and make a tidy profit.

So, why don't you become a cast member and buy a few add-ons. For every 120 points you can do this:

$95 - 14.25(15% CM discount) - $8 incentive = $72.75/point

You can then rent out your 100 bonus points plus your first year points for $10 a point netting you a discount of $18.33/point reducint your final cost to $54.42 per point.

At that time put on the resale market and make about $25/point times each block of 120 you buy...

$3000 net profit per block of 120.

Of, course, the problem with your scenario of buying 2000 points on the cruise is this:

1. There was a maximum number of points you could buy at that price.

2. There was no special financing available for that price (it may have even required cash purchase.

3. There was also a forfeiture of points for at least 1 year (it may have been 2)

4. It was a one time on board offer.

Again, you may disbelieve what I am saying, but don't act like you have facts showing that it is not possible. I know i recieved a phone call from my brother while he was on the cruise asking if I wanted him to purchase points for me at that time (he just bought his house and lost his job in the same month just before the cruise, so he couldnt afford any) and the price was $56. I don't make things up, maybe my brother did, but that doesnt seem to make sense to me, he is currently saving up for his cruise in October hoping to get a similar deal...now that I don't think is going to happen, but who knows? Maybe you should give me your number so he can call you if it does...just make sure you have the $112,000 ready for your purchase...

 

[RobDoc]

$56 was the original offer price when DVC started.
The rest, hey ya never know, I would have opened my wallet and payed cash onthe spot.

In October, 1991, DVC was selling at $51 per point.

Here is a <a href="http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319583">sales price chronology</a> thru 2002 posted a couple of years ago.

There have been no reports on this board in the past of any DVC sales incentives offered on the cruise (there have been incentives to book another cruise using points though). Interesting that this is the first report of any such offer- especially when BCV was the only onsite resort being sold 2 years ago - along with VB and HH (and even those were not offered at such prices since about 1996).

 

[Patpat15]

There might be political corporate reasons for the incentive. With a change in leadership at disney looming, perhaps the DVC people either have their hands unshackled with Eisner's retirement coming up, or the DVC unit wants to increase sales to justify more growth of their branch of Disney.

Just a thought!

 

[wtpclc]

Is it a way to show those at the smaller DVC resorts that SSR is not an ugly step child and does have merits of its own? Give them an incentive to buy the points figuring, once they stay here, thyey'll realize how great it is?

Just thinking "out loud", but it's a theory.

 

[tjkraz]

Again, you may disbelieve what I am saying, but don't act like you have facts showing that it is not possible.

OK, first, I don't know were all of the hostility is coming from. I tried to make light of the situation and get jumped. Whatever.

Second, I don't see you presenting any facts from you showing that it IS possible. Your original post stated that your brother was offered points at $56 one a cruise less than 2 years ago. Period. It did not say:

"My brother, who is a Cast Member eligible for a 15% discount, was offered points at XX dollars. Taking into account current promotional pricing, Developer's Points awarded as an incentive and the rental of first year's and incentive points, his net price would have been $56 each."

Read Doc's link to the pricing history. Realize that any word of a $56 price point in 2003 would have spread like WILDFIRE on this and similar forums. Then, ultimately, believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[CarolAnnC]

About to take my 6th Disney Cruise, all over the past 5 years and I can assure you there has never been any such offer on board ship of DVC points being sold at that price.

If it sounds too good to be true....

 

[Tramp68]

I just confirmed a few things from my brother..it was October of '03. It was a SSR presale and he thinks it was either $57 or $59 a point...

I guess you could call him and my Sister-In-Law a liar, but that would be pretty rude without proof...

as far as me being harsh, being told "there is absolutely no way that price is accurate" is pretty much calling someone a liar and that doesn't sound all that friendly to me...If I took it the wrong way I do apologize.

Maybe he was wrong...maybe there were other circumstances....like not getting points for 1-2 years..I don't know...

I do have to admit that your argument that there has been no history of it here, or that the news would have spread fast...*shrug* I only repeated what I was told...guess I am just naive.

 

[DrBond007]

Aren't the "extra 100 points" a one time, one year offering? You are not getting 220 points for the price of 120. You are getting a one time 100 point bonus for a trip THIS YEAR, not added to your contract. That leads me to believe these are developer points.

Big difference. Thanks for clarifying. That's similar to other incentives.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Darn. I bought in September of '03, at SSR, and paid $79 / point. To save $20 / point, I would have gone on that cruise!!! It would have paid for itself.

 

[tjkraz]

Big difference. Thanks for clarifying. That's similar to other incentives.

Similar, but still a nice additional bonus. If you value the points at roughly $10 each (whether used OR rented), that's effectively a $1000 discount. With a base price of for this add-on of $11,400 ($95 x 120pts), the additional discount is about 9% equivalent value.

That's on top of the $8 discount plus no 2005 dues, which is similar to the flat $10 promotion that's been around for ages.

 

[DVCPAM]

I own at BCV only. About 6 months ago we decided that we wanted to buy more BCV points. We have friends that have points at 3 different resorts, and they always complain about the hassle of making ressies when some are 11 month window and some are 7 month. That is the only reason we wanted a BCV add on, to avoid the hassle. Anyway, my guide told me flat out that there is NO waitlist for points at BCV. He said that the only way to get them was through resale. He then went on to give me the hard sell on SSR, which we were not interested in.

Now I wish I had pushed further. I may never be able to get a BCV add-on through Disney if the waitlist is so long. Do you think it is just my guide saying that, or if I called again would he have to admit it exists?

Any input?
~Pam

 

[tjkraz]

Now I wish I had pushed further. I may never be able to get a BCV add-on through Disney if the waitlist is so long. Do you think it is just my guide saying that, or if I called again would he have to admit it exists?

Your Guide was not lying. I don't remember the exact timeframes, but there was about a 6-month period in 2004 when DVC refused to sell points at the older resorts. The eliminated any sort of waiting list for points, and basically left it in the hands of the Guides to informally manage sales of the sold-out resorts.

Now there is a formal waiting list, but you'll go onto it behind all of the others waiting for the same Use Year. Impossible to predict how long it might take to get the contract you want.