DVC must stop rentals.....

[Marionnette]

Can you explain how the bungalows and cabins effect studies? I wanted to buy in for the two bedroom and up villas but they are so much points I decided against it.

DVD built the bungalows and cabins and attached a high per-night point cost to them. That factored into how many points they could sell at PVB and CCV. The bungalows represent one quarter of all of the points sold at PVB.

They then sold contracts to new members with as little as 100 points. And they kept a points chart at CCV that mimicked the one for BRV. So, it took very little to buy in at CCV and the studios required very few points to book. Hence, a big demand for CCV studios from owners who didn't purchase enough points for larger villas.

So the end result is that you have considerably more points sold at CCV than you have owners who have enough points to book up the cabins. This makes competition for studios at CCV fierce. Oh, and to make it worse, more than half of the CCV studios have walk-in showers instead of tubs (which families with small children tend to prefer).

 

[striker1064]

I am having a really hard time following this thread.. why is it that you believe rentals are the reason you are unable to book anything 6 months out? Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen that question answered.

6 months from now is Wine and Dine weekend followed by Jersey Week. I'd have a hard time believing anything other than usual demand is the cause for tight bookings (because it's that way every year).

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

apparently because they put effort and space into building bungalows and cabins, whereas what a lot of members want and need is more studios. So the bungalows and cabins often sit empty while the studios book up absurdly early.

Or you could ascribe a more nefarious intent to them. They know that the lack of studios and the overabundance of bungalows will cause breakage, precisely because they sell everyone points on the idea they will rent studios even when those points are sold against the bungalows. Then the inevitable bungalow breakage lets them rent those bungalows out and pocket the difference, since the breakage income they have to contribute back to DVC is capped.

 

[kes601]

Arguably, your best chance at a booking under 7 months is to have points sufficient for a 1BR.

Anyone who fits in a studio fits in a 1BR.

We bought more points for exactly this reason....well, that and making the "mistake" of staying in a 1 BR......

 

[Marionnette]

I am having a really hard time following this thread.. why is it that you believe rentals are the reason you are unable to book anything 6 months out? Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen that question answered.

6 months from now is Wine and Dine weekend followed by Jersey Week. I'd have a hard time believing anything other than usual demand is the cause for tight bookings (because it's that way every year).

The OP has never had a problem booking this late for Jersey Week. They have done it multiple times in the past without a problem. They are a charter DVC member, so they know what they are doing. Since the pandemic has caused a glut of points in the system, they believe that renting should be stopped by DVC to allow other members to book for their own vacations.

 

[lowlight]

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The only "practice" I sorta take issue with, and I'm guessing it's still not much more than a blip, is the whole idea of members, knowing they can't use their points due to travel restrictions, or scheduling, or whatever, grabbing reservations at peak times simply to maximize their profit. I don't want anyone to lose money due to circumstances beyond their control, but if you can rent out your points and break even or turn a small profit, rather than secure a prime reservation at Christmas or Easter or marathon weekend that you're never going to use, just to make more money in the process, then that's not cool. Allowed under the rules, but still not cool (kinda like buying 50 rolls of TP back in 2020, giving you a years' supply and leaving someone else stealing napkins at McDonalds).

This is also exacerbated by brokers. Two brokers I spoke to wanted me to make prime week reservations and rent them out vs renting the points, I'm assuming because they earn more. I didn't do it, and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[kilik64]

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This is also exacerbated by brokers. Two brokers I spoke to wanted me to make prime week reservations and rent them out vs renting the points, I'm assuming because they earn more. I didn't do it, and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Just sounds like good business to me. Gotta maximize revenue.

 

[Marionnette]

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This is also exacerbated by brokers. Two brokers I spoke to wanted me to make prime week reservations and rent them out vs renting the points, I'm assuming because they earn more. I didn't do it, and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Are they encouraging spec reservations that they can list for even more once they find a customer willing to pay? Or are they charging customers more per-point above and beyond the "premium" they charge for 11-month bookings at select resorts for those prime weeks?

If they're encouraging owners to book spec reservations for popular weeks that would leave a bad taste in my mouth, too.

 

[DL1WDW2]

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This is also exacerbated by brokers. Two brokers I spoke to wanted me to make prime week reservations and rent them out vs renting the points, I'm assuming because they earn more. I didn't do it, and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Wish there was a way to report this .

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Wish there was a way to report this .

To whom? I don't think it violates any DVC rules. I agree it's a crappy business practice that hurts owners in the long run.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I know this is a teency detail, but there are a few locations where studios have capacity for 5, but 1 bedrooms have listed capacity of 4. This actually stopped us from staying at /buying into Beach Club for years. It also happens I think depending on category at Boardwalk and maybe Boulder Ridge?

But yes, to your point I agree 1bdrm is easier to get at 7 months.

BWV, BCV and VWL allow 5 in a 1BR. They are BYOB(ed). But you can book 5 so long as you book on points and want to deal with that.

The only 1BRs on property in Orlando that are hard limit 4 are Copper Creek and AKV Value (and getting a 1BR Value at 7 months is unlikely save via waitlist).

BWV, BCV and VWL allow 5, bring a bed for #5 or sleep 3 in the king or, well, whatever works for you.

SSR, OKW, BLT, AKV (everything but Value), VGF and RIV all allow 5 natively in a 1BR.

 

[lowlight]

Are they encouraging spec reservations that they can list for even more once they find a customer willing to pay? Or are they charging customers more per-point above and beyond the "premium" they charge for 11-month bookings at select resorts for those prime weeks?

If they're encouraging owners to book spec reservations for popular weeks that would leave a bad taste in my mouth, too.

Yes, they tell you the weeks they want you to pre-book and they list them anywhere from $27-40 a point. They are almost exclusively high-demand weeks.

 

[legler2250]

It's funny this topic turned into 8 pages from someone venting =) Many times in life when I am presented with information that is just patently off, instead of engaging I just walk away. I am not trying to belittle the creator of this thread because I can certainly see the value in blowing off some steam when things don't work out!! It is a bummer no doubt!

 

[lowlight]

It's funny this topic turned into 8 pages from someone venting =) Many times in life when I am presented with information that is just patently off, instead of engaging I just walk away. I am not trying to belittle the creator of this thread because I can certainly see the value in blowing off some steam when things don't work out!! It is a bummer no doubt!

To be fair, you basically called OP a liar (patently off = lie), and then said you aren't trying to belittle him, while not taking your own advice of just walking away. Life is definitely funny in ways.

 

[xdan0920]

To be fair, you basically called OP a liar (patently off = lie), and then said you aren't trying to belittle him, while not taking your own advice of just walking away. Life is definitely funny in ways.

Indeed.

 

[mistysue]

BWV, BCV and VWL allow 5 in a 1BR. They are BYOB(ed). But you can book 5 so long as you book on points and want to deal with that.

The only 1BRs on property in Orlando that are hard limit 4 are Copper Creek and AKV Value (and getting a 1BR Value at 7 months is unlikely save via waitlist).

BWV, BCV and VWL allow 5, bring a bed for #5 or sleep 3 in the king or, well, whatever works for you.

SSR, OKW, BLT, AKV (everything but Value), VGF and RIV all allow 5 natively in a 1BR.

To me, bring my own bedding is absurd, but the point is the room is only meant for 4 people, vs the studio in the same resort being built for 5.

 

[CarolynFH]

To me, bring my own bedding is absurd, but the point is the room is only meant for 4 people, vs the studio in the same resort being built for 5.

The studios at BWV, BCV and VWL (BRV) originally accommodated only 4. The single Murphy was added years later.

 

[mistysue]

The studios at BWV, BCV and VWL (BRV) originally accommodated only 4. The single Murphy was added years later.

But years in, there still isn't bedding for a fifth person in the one bedroom. They could have put in a Murphy bed the same way.

 

[Sandisw]

But years in, there still isn't bedding for a fifth person in the one bedroom. They could have put in a Murphy bed the same way.

They could not make it fit with the way the counter is and the space with the door for the lock off.

That is why it wasn’t added.

 

[mistysue]

They could not make it fit with the way the counter is and the space with the door for the lock off.

That is why it wasn’t added.

If they really wanted it there, they would have found a way. Even if it was one of those fold-out chairs like they used at AKL.

This is way off topic though, all I said was that it's not necessarily fair to say that anyone who can stay in a studio can do a one bedroom because they don't provide you the bedding if you go up to a one-bedroom. It's completely reasonable to expect that if you book a room for five you get spots for five people to sleep, not the opportunity to bring your own bedding to cram in a fifth person. It's even more awkward to have a more expensive room where you now have to figure out where the fifth person has to sleep. It's silliness all around that they suggest you can cram another in if you bring bedding. If they want to start pointing that out, there are people sneaking extra people in all across property.