DVC Moderate Resort Being Reported by WDWNT

[lockedoutlogic]

I could see them converting some of the rooms vs. building new.

Not realistic...

They were figure 8 prefabbed concrete structures (all 64 rooms...not well designed) that had no ADA designs...

It would cost more to renovate than to build a new unit.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Its sort of an apples to oranges comparison to their past building. Deluxes traditionally have the dining and ammenoty infrastructure already built in to handle a small DVC addition. A moderate? Definitely would need some additional building. All of the talk here (points, and Epcot connection, amenity improvement) all will be crucial to success or failure

That's what I'm saying...

Either they have to slash prices to lure...which will create other problems...

Or build big and take on extra expenses and employee liabilities.

Remember: DVC is a big win in no small part because it requires few employees...

That's just as big of a reason of an "add on" as any...

Labor is always a problem (my other go to line)

 

[umichigan10]

That's what I'm saying...

Either they have to slash prices to lure...which will create other problems...

Or build big and take on extra expenses and employee liabilities.

Remember: DVC is a big win in no small part because it requires few employees...

That's just as big of a reason of an "add on" as any...

Labor is always a problem (my other go to line)

I sorta misunderstood your original post then my mistake. I do think they'll cough up the dough if they're gonna charge big points. DVC is their cash cow in the world so I would think they would build lavishly to ensure that they sell well. If not then it'll be interesting how the market responds.

I mean my parents are owners and we're in a win situation. If its good we'll consider staying there if not we'll stick to our go tos

 

[rteetz]

Are you sure that standalone "doesn't do well"? Or is that a ploy to overuse the existing facilities?

To be fair...they've never built a true standalone. Hilton head, Vero and old key west were of completely different design...and Saratoga was a weak effort that has proven over time to be misguided...

The closest was Boardwalk...which was built as a full experience by a regime that is long gone. I mean...frank wells inked that one.

I guess you're right on that. You could consider Aulani their major stand alone off property which obviously didn't sell well. It's probably true that they don't want to build new infrastructure for DVC that's why they use existing resorts and just add on. I wish we could get another Eisner Frank Wells combo or a Walt and Roy type. That's never going to happen though.

 

[rteetz]

According to the report cited here...and my own sources...conversion of existing rooms is not being entertained. They would either demolish existing CB buildings for villas or build on undeveloped land.

Correct. But it's still adding onto an existing resort not building a new resort. This is essentially the same thing they did at AKL, CR, GF, BC.

 

[umichigan10]

I guess you're right on that. You could consider Aulani their major stand alone off property which obviously didn't sell well. It's probably true that they don't want to build new infrastructure for DVC that's why they use existing resorts and just add on. I wish we could get another Eisner Frank Wells combo or a Walt and Roy type. That's never going to happen though.

I totally agree with your last sentence but I see that more in a parks regard. Resort wise (aside from DVC) they're pretty set right now as you're probably aware

 

[rteetz]

I totally agree with your last sentence but I see that more in a parks regard. Resort wise (aside from DVC) they're pretty set right now as you're probably aware

But even then from a resort stand point all Iger and his people under him would rather take out existing rooms and add DVC to make occupancy look better and because it sells. Why not build a brand new DVC resort instead? I feel like that's what Eisner and wells would've done. In today's day and age that's not going to happen. With different management who knows if we even have half the DVC that currently exists.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I sorta misunderstood your original post then my mistake. I do think they'll cough up the dough if they're gonna charge big points. DVC is their cash cow in the world so I would think they would build lavishly to ensure that they sell well. If not then it'll be interesting how the market responds.

I mean my parents are owners and we're in a win situation. If its good we'll consider staying there if not we'll stick to our go tos

No...you're not in a win situation...

As beer Dave correctly identified...more misguided additions is squeezing you, me, and everyone else into fewer choices. When you sell 25 contracts per room...that's a lot of strain. What if you sell smaller contracts on the moderate?

Lots of strain.

Add that to the ridiculously bloated, point hog, gator friendly bungalows that...undoubtedly are being torn off the planning table for the grand Floridian and being screamed about...

Because the point were cheaper and purchased long ago...doesn't mean it's "fine" for anybody in that boat.

 

[umichigan10]

But even then from a resort stand point all Iger and his people under him would rather take out existing rooms and add DVC to make occupancy look better and because it sells. Why not build a brand new DVC resort instead? I feel like that's what Eisner and wells would've done. In today's day and age that's not going to happen. With different management who knows if we even have half the DVC that currently exists.

I can see the reasoning behind room conversion. But you know if you wanna up lodging occupancy you should (gasp) lower prices!

I would like another standalone DVC as someone who vacations that way. I love Old Key West and they could really utilize some location based incentives to help it sell well.

And after Caribbean I can't see location wise another moderate that would work. But never say never I guess

 

[lockedoutlogic]

But even then from a resort stand point all Iger and his people under him would rather take out existing rooms and add DVC to make occupancy look better and because it sells. Why not build a brand new DVC resort instead? I feel like that's what Eisner and wells would've done. In today's day and age that's not going to happen. With different management who knows if we even have half the DVC that currently exists.

They have exploited it and eaten away at the solid foundation...

Gee...where has that come up before?

 

[umichigan10]

No...you're not in a win situation...

As beer Dave correctly identified...more misguided additions is squeezing you, me, and everyone else into fewer choices. When you sell 25 contracts per room...that's a lot of strain. What if you sell smaller contracts on the moderate?

Lots of strain.

Add that to the ridiculously bloated, point hog, gator friendly bungalows that...undoubtedly are being torn off the planning table for the grand Floridian and being screamed about...

Because the point were cheaper and purchased long ago...doesn't mean it's "fine" for anybody in that boat.

Eh, true. But I guess it depends on how you look at it. Yeah DVC is selling at crazy rates but at the same time we've never has issues booking a room for our stays (including bay lake tower on multiple occasions).

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Eh, true. But I guess it depends on how you look at it. Yeah DVC is selling at crazy rates but at the same time we've never has issues booking a room for our stays (including bay lake tower on multiple occasions).

Nor have i...but my 10 years (near exactly) of the contract appears to be the high point of use...there's a lot of years of diminishing return potential.

 

[rteetz]

And after Caribbean I can't see location wise another moderate that would work. But never say never I guess

I think they could go riverside if they wanted because it has a table service restuarant that's decent and has the boat to Disney springs.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I think they could go riverside if they wanted because it has a table service restuarant that's decent and has the boat to Disney springs.

Not much room over there...it's too far from a guest area to be effective as dvc.

Remember...there are no DVC without direct or convenient access to guest areas...

Old key west is borderline as is...

 

[umichigan10]

I think they could go riverside if they wanted because it has a table service restuarant that's decent and has the boat to Disney springs.

I also don't see a location appeal although old key west is moderately popular and its on the canal. But I feel like trying to sell there after all the monorail and epcot area additions might me tough. We'll see

 

[rteetz]

Not much room over there...it's too far from a guest area to be effective as dvc.

Remember...there are no DVC without direct or convenient access to guest areas...

Old key west is borderline as is...

Well if they build the CBR DVC where WDWNT says that's not convenient to the guest unless they build new amenities specifically for DVC. If they went POR after I would guess they would tear down existing rooms and building new buildings for DVC.

 

[Joben]

Part of the rumor that wdwnt doesn't mention is the possibility of building a canal for boat transportation to Epcot from the DVC section.

I just don't see where they can put a canal in to get to Epcot. I mean they can do it, but they will have to go under Buena Vista Dr. at the least if not Victory Way too. Even if they try to use the lake in the middle of the resort, there are foot paths that go out to that Island that will have to be raised (hard to tell the height of them on google earth) I can't imagine all this alteration will be worth it to the bean counters

 

[umichigan10]

Nor have i...but my 10 years (near exactly) of the contract appears to be the high point of use...there's a lot of years of diminishing return potential.

My parents are almost halfway through there's (think it expires around 2040). I see what you're saying but I suppose we'll see how and if demand exceeds their room supply

 

[umichigan10]

Well if they build the CBR DVC where WDWNT says that's not convenient to the guest unless they build new amenities specifically for DVC. If they went POR after I would guess they would tear down existing rooms and building new buildings for DVC.

Also what is moderate room occupancy? I can't see them tearing down rooms if they sell, but if its the flip side then its free game

 

[rteetz]

I also don't see a location appeal although old key west is moderately popular and its on the canal. But I feel like trying to sell there after all the monorail and epcot area additions might me tough. We'll see

I'm interested to see how well the WL DVC sells. That's in the MK area but on the monorail. It also doesn't have good fireworks views. Their on the water cabins will only be looking at water and not have a castle view like the poly. If the poly bungalows didn't sell well I don't know that the WL cabins will either.