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Agree, Disney likes both. My point is they would not lose the Convention Business, just most likely some of the rooms will not be Disney rooms.
I think they've created a big problem for themselves with OKW. So now they have some 2057 and some 2042. What will they do there?
It's not the same. There's a reason why Disney keeps building DVC resorts and not just adding cash rooms. DVC members come more often, buy annual passes, and spend a lot of money. It makes less sense for Disney to *replace* DVC members than to add them. So let's say they decide to start renovating BWV, BCV, OKW (2042), BRV, HH, and VB in 2042, just selling new contracts, with no significant incentives to retain existing DVC members. The new DVC members buying in at that time would just be replacing existing members. It's not a net gain for Disney. They want to *add* members, not replace them. I'm telling you, Disney will come up with a plan to keep as many DVC members as possible when 2042 approaches and that plan won't be "well, I guess you'll just have to buy back in at the rack rate."No need to flip them all at once, Disney can rent them as cash rooms until declared into the club.
It's not the same. There's a reason why Disney keeps building DVC resorts and not just adding cash rooms. DVC members come more often, buy annual passes, and spend a lot of money. It makes less sense for Disney to *replace* DVC members than to add them. So let's say they decide to start renovating BWV, BCV, OKW (2042), BRV, HH, and VB in 2042, just selling new contracts, with no significant incentives to retain existing DVC members. The new DVC members buying in at that time would just be replacing existing members. It's not a net gain for Disney. They want to *add* members, not replace them. I'm telling you, Disney will come up with a plan to keep as many DVC members as possible when 2042 approaches and that plan won't be "well, I guess you'll just have to buy back in at the rack rate."
And I'm not smart enough to have figured it all out, but I have a very strong feeling these new resale restrictions have something to do with DVC's plans for 2042.
It's not the same. There's a reason why Disney keeps building DVC resorts and not just adding cash rooms. DVC members come more often, buy annual passes, and spend a lot of money. It makes less sense for Disney to *replace* DVC members than to add them. So let's say they decide to start renovating BWV, BCV, OKW (2042), BRV, HH, and VB in 2042, just selling new contracts, with no significant incentives to retain existing DVC members. The new DVC members buying in at that time would just be replacing existing members. It's not a net gain for Disney. They want to *add* members, not replace them. I'm telling you, Disney will come up with a plan to keep as many DVC members as possible when 2042 approaches and that plan won't be "well, I guess you'll just have to buy back in at the rack rate."
And I'm not smart enough to have figured it all out, but I have a very strong feeling these new resale restrictions have something to do with DVC's plans for 2042.
It's not the same. There's a reason why Disney keeps building DVC resorts and not just adding cash rooms. DVC members come more often, buy annual passes, and spend a lot of money. It makes less sense for Disney to *replace* DVC members than to add them. So let's say they decide to start renovating BWV, BCV, OKW (2042), BRV, HH, and VB in 2042, just selling new contracts, with no significant incentives to retain existing DVC members. The new DVC members buying in at that time would just be replacing existing members. It's not a net gain for Disney. They want to *add* members, not replace them. I'm telling you, Disney will come up with a plan to keep as many DVC members as possible when 2042 approaches and that plan won't be "well, I guess you'll just have to buy back in at the rack rate."
Agreed changing the point charts and upping them is nothing more than a marketing ploy, IMO. They get to drop the price per point to make it easier to swallow and still meet their entire intended target (and MF per point are artificially deflated). CCV they went a different route with the cabins because the regular rooms had to maintain BRV point charts (thus create over-inflated cabins). Also changing the point chart has the benefit of balancing demand at 7 months to a tiny degree (but that is for another thread).I would argue that changing the point chart won't make then anymore money. One of the main reasons BCV and BWV sell at a premium because you get more for your point. Changing the point chart means selling at prices more similar to Riviera than the $235 they are currently charging for direct at BCV.
Not going to WDW in Robot Exoskeletons.
Agreed, changing the point chart wont make them any more money. People buying do not think about MFs by and large. They want to know how much 1 week of magic a year for the next 50 years is going to cost them. So its points needed X price per point. Thats it. It is what the market will bear.I would argue that changing the point chart won't make then anymore money. One of the main reasons BCV and BWV sell at a premium because you get more for your point. Changing the point chart means selling at prices more similar to Riviera than the $235 they are currently charging for direct at BCV.
Not that many buyers. We're talking six resorts with 2042 end dates...that would be more than 2,000 units all hitting the market at the same time.Also, they aren’t just “replacing members” on the same terms. The new prices will be significantly higher than when those resorts went on sale as will the point requirements for rooms. Disney will be bringing in more money with every sale. If the previous members want to buy in at the new prices, then let them. If they don’t, then there is another buyer waiting right behind them.
Not that many buyers. We're talking six resorts with 2042 end dates...that would be more than 2,000 units all hitting the market at the same time.
We know what will happen at the end.
I believe the comment was those resorts (BCV, BWV, BRV, VB, HHI) would no longer "exist" in DVC and would be either closed or reopened as "new" DVC resorts.I actually don’t. Could you tell me please?
I believe the comment was those resorts (BCV, BWV, BRV, VB, HHI) would no longer "exist" in DVC and would be either closed or reopened as "new" DVC resorts.