Duke players arrested

[tar heel]

The DA is not up for re-election -- this will be the first time he's been on the ballot. He was appointed DA after the previous one b/c a judge.

I'm amazed at how many people are ready to declare the players "not guilty." I have no idea whether they are, but I do know that the evidence to the contrary has come mostly through spin from defense attorneys. Do you think they would be telling us the evidence they have AGAINST their clients? They are trying to get exactly the reaction they're getting from most of the people on this thread and the other one.

Just because race is involved does not mean these guys are being railroaded.

 

[disneyjunkie]

The DA is not up for re-election -- this will be the first time he's been on the ballot. He was appointed DA after the previous one b/c a judge.

I'm amazed at how many people are ready to declare the players "not guilty." I have no idea whether they are, but I do know that the evidence to the contrary has come mostly through spin from defense attorneys. Do you think they would be telling us the evidence they have AGAINST their clients? They are trying to get exactly the reaction they're getting from most of the people on this thread and the other one.

Just because race is involved does not mean these guys are being railroaded.

ITA

 

[discernment]

The DA is not up for re-election -- this will be the first time he's been on the ballot. He was appointed DA after the previous one b/c a judge.

I'm amazed at how many people are ready to declare the players "not guilty." I have no idea whether they are, but I do know that the evidence to the contrary has come mostly through spin from defense attorneys. Do you think they would be telling us the evidence they have AGAINST their clients? They are trying to get exactly the reaction they're getting from most of the people on this thread and the other one.

Just because race is involved does not mean these guys are being railroaded.

Yeah, you are right. The D.A's upcoming election has nothing to do with this.

Maybe I should listen to more credible sources like Jesse Jackson.

All i can say is remember Tawana Bradley.

 

[tar heel]

I didn't say the DA's election had nothing to do with this. I just corrected the use of "re-elected." I have a thing about facts.

That's also why I'm not taking a side in this case until the facts are out, and I don't think they are. Apparently, a few posters are privy to more information than most of us since they seem to have all the details.

 

[cardaway]

I'm amazed at how many people are ready to declare the players "not guilty."

I'm declaring innocent until proven guilty. I'm also saying both sides should be treated equally meaning all names should be withheld at this point.

 

[discernment]

I didn't say the DA's election had nothing to do with this. I just corrected the use of "re-elected." I have a thing about facts.

That's also why I'm not taking a side in this case until the facts are out, and I don't think they are. Apparently, a few posters are privy to more information than most of us since they seem to have all the details.

Election...Re-election. It still leaves the same result. A politically motivated D.A. who is apparently more concerned about being in office for another term than seeing justice done.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I didn't see to many people objecting when the three boys were arrested (and then released) in the Natalee Holloway case. Their names, pictures and all kind of inuendo were all over the media. Of course that's when she was being portrayed as the innocent little honor student white girl having good clean fun.

From most reports she was also (at a minimum) drunk as can be, yet lots of people were claiming she was raped without much evidence at all. So which is it - can drunk women be raped or not?

 

[wdw4us2]

I wonder what it will be like trying to find jurors who haven't seen any of the pre-trial publicity.

It's awful how the national media jumps on these things with just the smallest amount of information. It wasn't like this before there were 24 hour news channels and the internet.

 

[plutolovr]

http://www.dilby.com/duke-lacrosse-team-accuser.htm

The link above will give you all sorts of info about the accused and the team.

I have a close family member who goes to one of the high schools that one of these two boys attended, and he is very upset. Knows his family very well. The truth will come out. Apparently media is saying that neither one was at the party during the "alleged" rape.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

there was a huge thing on tucker carlson last night about this
he was like why should these biys names be dragged theu the mud and media because of this
if they are guilty fine but this is gonna be along and complicated case
if they are innocent then they have been done a huge disservice

 

[Geoff_M]

Just because race is involved does not mean these guys are being railroaded.

Mary Ham at Hugh Hewitt's site also offers these companion points:

It's important to remember that, during this month-long national story, this is the first moment any lacrosse player has been even charged with a crime, though you wouldn't know it from the way people talk. The activists in my hometown have already taken the indictments as confirmation that they were perfectly warranted in smearing and convicting these guys in the court of public opinion before their trial, and they will undoubtedly continue to do it.

But the fact is they remain innocent until, as the saying goes. They shouldn't be presumed guilty because there are racial tensions in Durham; they are not guilty because they are white and privileged and their alleged victim was black; they are not guilty because there is a "culture of sexual entitlement" in collegiate athletics; they are not guilty because they had a stripper at their party; they are not guilty because making an example of them might "raise awareness" of all these important social issues and might, just might, prevent the rape of one woman.

No, they are guilty if, and only if, they raped this girl. We will have to wait and see, but the evidence to date at least allows for some skepticism.

Link

A former prosecutor noted this about the DA's recent behavior:

The first thing is that I think arrested (sic) these defendants in the middle of the night rather than allowing them to turn themselves in was an arrogant and calculated move by the prosecutor. In cases where someone is under investigation (even in rape and murder cases) and you have no reason to believe there's a flight risk or that they will resist arrest, and when they are represented by counsel, a good prosecutor lets the defendant turn themselves in - unless of course you want the cameras there to record every step.

Additionally, from a strategic standpoint it just gives the defense attorneys another example of why the trial needs a change of venue - which is probably one of the first things defense attorneys will do if the case survives preliminary legal challenges.

Link

You can follow the link and read what other challenges the prosecutor, and defense, will likely face if this thing makes it to trial.

Rapes happen... and when they do, it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But false claims also happen. And each time that takes place it hurts the cause of those who were actually assaulted. Which category does this case fall into?... To me, that remains to be seen. But as more details come out by the day, it appears to throw a lot more red meat at the defense:
1) No DNA link.
2) Changing stories from the 2nd female.
3) Photos that show the accuser showed up with a lot of the physical injuries present. They also exhibit the accuser in what appears to be an extreme state of intoxication and falling down at times at the residence, thus providing a possible defense explaination of any additional injuries suffered.
4) The defense's claim that they have ATM and other receipts that appear to place one (possibly two) of the players the accuser is "100% sure" of as being elsewhere when the incident took place.

We'll see that comes out in court, instead of in front of TV cameras at press conferences, but I think the DA's holding a very weak hand (unless he has some aces up his sleeve, that he will have to reveal in advance of a trial to the defense lawyers).

 

[sodaseller]

http://www.dilby.com/duke-lacrosse-team-accuser.htm

The link above will give you all sorts of info about the accused and the team.

I have a close family member who goes to one of the high schools that one of these two boys attended, and he is very upset. Knows his family very well. The truth will come out. Apparently media is saying that neither one was at the party during the "alleged" rape.

Wow is that a reprehensible website. Publishing her name is somewhat defensible, buit trying to get her address phone number etc to publish is downright evil. And bragging about the Kobe Bryant association shows the propreitors of this site and soulless. The boys may be innocent, but that is beyond the pale