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[bryaalre]

If they start singling out short stays for increased housekeeping, what would stop people from complaining about other items, like transportation. I have had resort only stays where I didn't take any transportation for a few days and I have had parks days where I'm hitting all four parks in one day taking 5 or 6 buses, a couple monorail trips and using the Skyliner.

 

[walt34]

If they start singling out short stays for increased housekeeping, what would stop people from complaining about other items, like transportation. I have had resort only stays where I didn't take any transportation for a few days and I have had parks days where I'm hitting all four parks in one day taking 5 or 6 buses, a couple monorail trips and using the Skyliner.

As long as Disney does not charge any guests (parks, restaurants, hotels,..) for transportation directly, it would not be a good candidate for removing these costs from the dues. They‘d have to check tickets.

 

[muppets3d]

If they start singling out short stays for increased housekeeping, what would stop people from complaining about other items, like transportation. I have had resort only stays where I didn't take any transportation for a few days and I have had parks days where I'm hitting all four parks in one day taking 5 or 6 buses, a couple monorail trips and using the Skyliner.

Those buses still have to be maintained whether you personally rode on them or not. I don't always park a car when I stay but the parking lot still has to be maintained. These are things that you agreed to fund with your dues when you purchased your position in DVC.

 

[Tatebeck]

Also a longer stay would typically mean using more transportation on average, so those using more points would be paying more of the dues towards the transportation already. The transportation is already correlated correctly IMO. It is the inverse problem for Housekeeping

 

[Tatebeck]

The various fees are never going to be 100% evenly split. It's simply just way too much work. They will make the simplest and fairest system that they feasibly (and cheaply ) make and we'll have to deal with it. Personally I'd be fine either way with the housekeeping (keeping it built into dues or taking it out and paying a check in cleaning fee).

If you keep thinking about it, there are seemingly endless ways in which it's not perfectly "fair." Studios hold more guests on average than 1BRs (due to more 1BR only holding 4 members instead of 5). That means that Members who stay in the low capacity, high cost 1BRs are paying far more than their share in those transportation costs for example. Would it be worth it for them to rebalance or add fees for studio guests? (or credits for 1BR guests?) Probably not.

 

[davidhr]

I’m here to say that I’ll gladly subsidize all of you to avoid having a million extra fees even if they save me money. You’re welcome.

 

[mkatsy]

Also a longer stay would typically mean using more transportation on average, so those using more points would be paying more of the dues towards the transportation already. The transportation is already correlated correctly IMO. It is the inverse problem for Housekeeping

But the question about transportation wasn’t short stay vs. longer stay, it was resort only stay vs. park day stay and the wear and tear on transportation. It speaks to the “why should I contribute to something that I don’t personally use” mindset.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Just to see if me and others were right about listings after dues. As of right now https://www.dvcforless.com/ shows 964 listings.

As of today there 989 listings. I have not gotten paper dues in the mail yet, so it's safe to assume many owners dont know about the new dues just yet let alone get a bill for them.

 

[mkatsy]

One thing that I see VGF doing a great job at is reducing traffic from non revenue producing guests. This summer they began wrist-banding the pools, they removed that gingerbread house which attracted hoards of people, and they moved parking for dining guests across the street. All of this reduces the wear and tear on the infra structure.

 

[Tatebeck]

But the question about transportation wasn’t short stay vs. longer stay, it was resort only stay vs. park day stay and the wear and tear on transportation. It speaks to the “why should I contribute to something that I don’t personally use” mindset.

Eh it still balances out close enough. There will be both shorter and longer "no park" stays. And even 100% "no park" stays are still using (and probably using more of) a long list of other things that are also paid for by dues.

Those "no park" stays are then using the resort/pool/room facilities more, which are also paid for by the dues. They would be going to the pool, walking around the resort, using the rooms, and probably still hopping on some transportation to resort hop or to go to Disney Springs for meals, to see Christmas decorations, etc. still as well.

I usually don't use the pool, so we would also need to track that and give credits for people that don't use the pool for example? That's just way too much to keep track of

 

[Genie+]

When I bought in, a list similar to the one posted was in place. At BWV it wasn't exactly as posted but was similar. You had an initial supply and you were supposedly charged for asking for extra. I often wanted extra towels when traveling with the kids, but in all those years never was I charged. I did tip the delivery person. I've never read of anyone being charged for supplies.

Yeah I think the itemized costs of ‘extras’ served to discourage people from requesting more than they truly needed. To make the request, a person would at least have to consider if it was worth potentially being charged.

I remember the cute little Mickey ears toiletries making cute souvenirs. Those were phased out to more generic packaging, then came wall dispensers, and those are even getting changed out now - dispensing from the bottoms instead of the tops.

With Disney doing hospitality for a long time, they have alot of experience to draw from. The delicate balance of satisfying guests, efficiency, and human nature. Like herding cats lol.

 

[Chili327]

The various fees are never going to be 100% evenly split. It's simply just way too much work. They will make the simplest and fairest system that they feasibly (and cheaply ) make and we'll have to deal with it. Personally I'd be fine either way with the housekeeping (keeping it built into dues or taking it out and paying a check in cleaning fee).

If you keep thinking about it, there are seemingly endless ways in which it's not perfectly "fair." Studios hold more guests on average than 1BRs (due to more 1BR only holding 4 members instead of 5). That means that Members who stay in the low capacity, high cost 1BRs are paying far more than their share in those transportation costs for example. Would it be worth it for them to rebalance or add fees for studio guests? (or credits for 1BR guests?) Probably not.

Or what if I only have 2 people staying in a 2bdrm.

I remember the cute little Mickey ears toiletries making cute souvenirs. Those were phased out to more generic packaging, then came wall dispensers, and those are even getting changed out now - dispensing from the bottoms instead of the tops.

Good thing, last month I hit my arm on it and the whole thing fell of and spilled half the container down the drain. lol

 

[Tatebeck]

Good thing, last month I hit my arm on it and the whole thing fell of and spilled half the container down the drain. lol

So that's why our dues are going up!!! Get 'em!

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

I’m here to say that I’ll gladly subsidize all of you to avoid having a million extra fees even if they save me money. You’re welcome.

I'm also okay with keeping things simpler and flexible (so as they are) rather than having housekeeping fees to pay at checkout. At WDW we usually stay a week, so I guess I'm part of the Proud Subsidizers Club!

ETA: maybe we should have T-shirts made

 

[Sandisw]

I never said that. The same number of housekeepings should be included or not included in the same number of points for everyone in my opinion.

Either take room housekeeping out of dues completely (reduce everyone’s dues by about 15%) and charge separately. You need to pay one cleaning per stay minimum or as many as you want. It would get a bit cheaper for people who stay longer and don’t need extra cleanings and more expensive for people with many short stays.

The other, more complex option would be to keep one cleaning per week of points in the dues and give everyone housekeeping credits equal to one cleaning per week according to their number of points. More cleanings would be billed separately. But that would be complex, because you’d need to take different point charts and room types into account.

So I feel that option one would be fair and easy but I also understand that I wouldn’t get a majority on this board.

Where you getting the whole one cleaning per week, though? We are not a week's based timeshare so that number seems simply random...especially since we don't have any information on how many nights is the average stay, because that is what determines the budget.

That is why we have different opinions on this because your ideas seem to attach the cost of housekeeping, if it is inside of dues, to a set number of cleanings we are allowed..

As owners, we are responsible for the operation of the resort and cleaning the rooms, how ever often check out/check ins happen is part of it. It really is that simple for me....if people are allowed to book one night stays, then as owners, collectively, we have to pay for that level of housekeeping. It is fair because we are all allowed to book like that, whether we choose to or not.

Now, if some want to see them institute a minimum number of nights to help to temper housekeeping costs, then they can certainly share that opinion with DVC....

 

[Genie+]

The various fees are never going to be 100% evenly split. It's simply just way too much work. They will make the simplest and fairest system that they feasibly (and cheaply ) make and we'll have to deal with it. Personally I'd be fine either way with the housekeeping (keeping it built into dues or taking it out and paying a check in cleaning fee).

If you keep thinking about it, there are seemingly endless ways in which it's not perfectly "fair." Studios hold more guests on average than 1BRs (due to more 1BR only holding 4 members instead of 5). That means that Members who stay in the low capacity, high cost 1BRs are paying far more than their share in those transportation costs for example. Would it be worth it for them to rebalance or add fees for studio guests? (or credits for 1BR guests?) Probably not.

Right! Look at Poly bungalow that averages ~150 points a night or Copper Creek cabins ~115pts/nt, both with occupancy 8.

PVB transport is $.66pp dues, which works out to over $12 per person/day.

CCV transport is $1.03pp dues, which works out to over $19 per person/day.

While BWV and OKW studios charge 10-12pts/nt much of the year, ending up in the $2-$5 range daily per occupancy.

Part of what makes the DVC system so attractive is the shared costs, and how that makes annual costs more stable for us. I don’t have to come up with quadruple my typical yearly costs because the roof is getting done. As long as we’re all finding rooms that seem worth the expense to us, then I’d say the system is fair. That is an important thing for DVC to protect.

 

[Sandisw]

Eh it still balances out close enough. There will be both shorter and longer "no park" stays. And even 100% "no park" stays are still using (and probably using more of) a long list of other things that are also paid for by dues.

Those "no park" stays are then using the resort/pool/room facilities more, which are also paid for by the dues. They would be going to the pool, walking around the resort, using the rooms, and probably still hopping on some transportation to resort hop or to go to Disney Springs for meals, to see Christmas decorations, etc. still as well.

I usually don't use the pool, so we would also need to track that and give credits for people that don't use the pool for example? That's just way too much to keep track of

This has really been the whole debate....there are things that are part of the budget that not everyone takes advantage of equally....but we must still pay our share based on the # of points we own.

Its the same thing with housekeeping...the budget is based on operation of the resort on number of check ins/check outs and that is based on how owners at that resort choose to use their points.....that is the benefit of a points based vs a weeks based timeshare, isn't it?

Sure, housekeeping is a big part of the budget and the more often owners check in/out, the more cleaning has to be done, but I think that it also helps with the wear/tear on the room as well.

I personally think in the end, it also balances itself out because there is more to that housekeeping budget than just cleaning the room...its amenities, like soaps, coffees, teas, paper products, etc....if one never stays in a larger unit, they are paying for some of those things...if someone doesn't drink coffee or tea, they are paying for those things....its just the cost of owning a timeshare and having to pay for what is provided.

 

[walt34]

I thought you wanted to leave this topic?

Where you getting the whole one cleaning per week, though? We are not a week's based timeshare so that number seems simply random...especially since we don't have any information on how many nights is the average stay, because that is what determines the budget.

Just a number. As I said, taking cleaning out of the dues and charge per stay would be my preferred option. Everyone carries their own cost.

That is why we have different opinions on this because your ideas seem to attach the cost of housekeeping, if it is inside of dues, to a set number of cleanings we are allowed..

I don't. And allowed is the wrong word. I'd suggest removing them from the dues completely. But everyone needs at least one and fewer than one per week doesn't feel right to me so keeping one per week in the dues seems a reasonable alternative.

As owners, we are responsible for the operation of the resort and cleaning the rooms, how ever often check out/check ins happen is part of it. It really is that simple for me....if people are allowed to book one night stays, then as owners, collectively, we have to pay for that level of housekeeping. It is fair because we are all allowed to book like that, whether we choose to or not.

Luckily not everyone optimises in this way - otherwise dues would be significantly higher than they are.

Now, if some want to see them institute a minimum number of nights to help to temper housekeeping costs, then they can certainly share that opinion with DVC....

This is now the third time you suggest that I want to have a higher minimum number of nights and the third time I tell you: I don't.

 

[Disfamwa]

I’ve noticed a difference in materials used across resorts and thinking that might factor in too. We’ve stayed at our 2 home resorts BWV and VGF BPK several times the last couple years. We lucked out being the 2nd party in a newly refurbed BWV in 2023, then stayed again last month. Things like the doors, cabinets, counters, etc were made out of less durable materials than VGF BPK. I’m thinking higher upfront material costs might be saving maintenance costs down the line? Boardwalk was already having issues with the cheaper type bathrooms cabinets and door damaging each other. Now that’s also explained by planning, but those and some other materials around the room seemed more vulnerable to wear and tear than VGF BPK.

I stayed at BWV this summer and was so surprised with how beat up it already felt. I think it’s going to feel rough in the years leading up to expiration. The hallways were especially bad. We also stayed at Jambo and the hallways felt way nicer and in better condition. The bathroom needed a little help at Jambo, but the rest of the room also felt less beat up than boardwalk.

 

[PlutoNotPlanet]

If they do institute a minimum stay greater than 1 night (obviously Disney isn't in the business of renting rooms by the hour after all), members would certainly lose a lot of flexibility. Other timeshare systems that have minimum stays have specific check-in/out days and availability varies based upon the day you check in or out. That is how they're able to stay fully booked. The question is whether the tradeoff of lower dues due to less housekeeping cast would outweigh that loss of flexibility for most members.

Exactly. There is a tradeoff. I believe it's not worth it but with no data to back it up lol