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FlyThenFall

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Yes, I'm just normal FlyThenFall again. I just got banned...for using VMK approved words to help out with conversations about VMK things that involved numbers. I got a warning today as we were talking about getting the Flying Carpet magic and it's prices. No, big I thought. Then someone asked about how to get Fireworks magic. And I told him he had to have "too for tee house and points and not win." I get those were the magic words to my being banned. Oh it's so disappointing...I was picked to be a CL the first day they had them...and now I've lost it. :(
 
Oh Fly! Sorry to hear that!

This must be the latest from VMK to really crack down on the number thing! You and Pebble...I wonder if there are going to be any others today?? :(
 
I was in the room at the same time and saw what hapened.

How can they ban him for answering a guest question. Surely that's why they made you a community leader.

They can't say it is because of the use of numbers, if that's the case then all the staff should get a ban as they use it just as much.

It seems the staff are only watching part of a conversation and then banning as they feel like it.

Maybe they should be concentrating on the scammers and rude players instead of being as petty as this.

What makes it worse is they hand out bans without any kind of appeals process.
 
That is too sad, you were helping someone, doing your job as a CL and you get banned. I'm so sorry.

I'm getting afraid to even say anything while I'm on VMK. It could be thought to be too personal, harrassing, or trying to use numbers. So sad.
 

so sorry Fly! keep your chin up boy! we still heart you!
 
Can I make a suggestion to everybody?

Anybody who has ever had a positive experience with Fly (being that he's been a CL so long) please write him some positive feedback on the Contact Us page of the main VMK site.

He needs our help!

He's honestly the best CL I have seen, always fair and always does the right thing.

Come on folks, help us out! Give him a good note!

Same goes for Pebble too, however I don't really know her, I just want to be fair. :)
 
Oh Fly I am so sorry, this is just silly. :guilty:
 
not fly too!!

Oh my!

I wonder what is going on, I will try and find out if I can.
 
Arg, No Fly no we must all send in unfair messages, Community Leaders or not. This is unjust I wasn't even a Leader for 24 hours, but Fly was probably the best Community Leader on VMK. Gr..!​


No more unfair Bans! :sad:
No more unfair Bans! :sad:
No more unfair Bans! :sad:
 
Shorts, I think that is a great idea! Maybe it will help Fly get his title back. He is really a great leader, and doesn't deserve to be banned, especially since he was answering a guest's question at the time, with the same language that the VMK Staff is allowed to use.
 
Oh Fly I am so sorry! this is crazy! Im scared now. Seriously. One wrong word and I could be done. They could be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 
I'm sending in five positive things about the banned community leaders the new or the old, if you were banned PM me! ;)
 
If you all wanted to know what I wrote to support my case...here's my letter to the VMK.

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Hello VMK, I just got the message that I have been banned for unappropriate behavior in VMK, when in my opinion my behavior was entirely appropriate! Under your full house rules, you don't allow " obscene, racist, or sexually explicit language, nor do we allow chat or activities that are not consistent with the VMK site." And you ban the communication or
solicitation of phone numbers, addresses, Social Security numbers, or any other personally identifiable information." I adamantly believe I didn't break these or any of the VMK Values today.

I was warned earlier this morning for not using dictionary-approved words to mean words that weren't in the dictionary. I thought that was fair, but did feel it was odd to get a warning for using the code words for numbers seeing as the staff and even the developers such as Yavn use them to help players out with VMK.

So you can see the full context of my words (for which I was warned), our conversation was that we were speculating on the cost of the upcoming Flying Carpet Magic Pin, seeing as the word we have been getting from Yavn and others that it will be in stores. So TheWolf, CL_GBShorts, CL_LuxoJr and I were using the number code words to "guess-timate" the price. So we were found saying things like "it might be for tee grand credits!" Or in my most creative way to say 1000 credits..."then to the -shape of the trees in Central Plaza." (or 10 cubed). We were talking about something in VMK, which I feel was very appropriate behavior. I wasn't using numbers to find out personal information, I wasn't being racist or obscene. I was just trying to speculate with friends what the price for the Flying Carpet Magic would be.

And this brings me to what I believe got me banned: helping out another player with getting Fireworks magic. He asked the room we were in how to get fireworks magic. Seeing as I am a Community Leader and it is my job to help out players who don't know VMK like the back of my hand like I do...I decided to help him out. Just like I've done with many people, I told
him "you have to get too for ty house and points and not win."

Apparently, because I used "too for ty house and" to say "Two hundred forty thousand," I was acting inappropriately! Apparently, helping someone out by giving them information about VMK is something you can get banned for now! I suppose I could have told him "get a very hi score," but I didn't because I felt that to fulfill my duty as a Community Leader I need to
give him as much information as I can about the game and how it works. I believe to make people understand, you need to give them as much information as you can. If I left him ignorant of the specifics of winning the fireworks magic and just gave him a vague, but "dictionary approved" answer I don't think I would be writing this now, but I would feel bad
that I didn't help out a player as much as I could!

Please, VMK reconsider my ban...and the reinstatement of my community leader status. I have been playing VMK since the very first day the public beta has been opened and I haven't had any problems like I did today. I was also one of your very first choices for community leader when they were announced. Since then, I've made a name for myself as one of the most helpful, friendly, and level headed players in the Kingdom. I daresay my actions were completely in line and I wholeheartedly feel that this is an unjust ban as it not only disallows my entrance to the kingdom for two hours, but it also takes away my community leader title.

Thank you for reading this, and I do hope you will reconsider this ban.

-FlyThenFall

I daresay, I put up a good case for myself. Maybe some of our attorney members can help me work on the logic or a second statement to the VMK in the Sky.
 
I just sent mine. You can't use the feedback about a CL, it doesn't recognize them.

I used the none of the above and since I'm old and stupid, I wanted to pass along how to make sure your letter gets through!

write your note, then hit next...it will ask you to reword it-ignore that and hit CONTINUE at the bottom. then from there hit next again, then it will say are you sure the FAQ doesn't answe this, say yes, and type in your email address. Last, hit send or whatever lovely button they created.

I'm pretty sure that's the order.

Hope that helps...Thanks Incredible for helping ME!
 
OMG! I am so sorry to hear this. It is very dishearting. You try so very hard to do the right thing, be helpful and it's works against you. Darni f this doesn't sound like my last job.

It sounds like something else is going on, maybe with the VMK staff itself. Prehaps there has been so many complaints lately they have gone to far the other way to correct the matter.

Fingers cross that you will soon be reinstated as a CL. My very best to you Fly.

I'm worried, I think I'll be very closed mouth fo a while myself.
 
I'm scared too! Sorry Fly. I hope this gets resolved for you. I will try to send a note to VMK when I get home from work.
 
This isn't good at all... It seems that becoming a Community Leader puts you under intense scrutiny... do I still want to be a Community Leader?

Anyway, I am in my debate team in high school... so if you need any help with rebuttals or case points or that sort of thing, let me know!
 
i will send my two cents in about you FlyThenFall--I'm so sad about you losing your title! It's just not right.

If they are going to ban people for trying to find other ways to say numbers, then they need to explain that to everyone and say that they have changed the rules!! We have ALL been doing that for so long! If it's not allowed anymore then they should write something up in the newsletter!!

:guilty:
 
That is so not right, Fly! And as always for you, that is an excellent letter of explanation you wrote...I hope it gets the attention it deserves from the VMK staff, not just for you but for all leaders and regular players! Good Luck!
 












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