Drowning in medical bills - any advice appreciated

OP here - I knew you guys would give me some great advice - not to mention quite the calming influence :)

Fortunately it is the weekend so I have until Monday morning to compose myself before I start the insurance battle again. We used to have Cariten thru DH's prior job and there was never this kind of stress with them like there is with BCBS. Of course, there weren't any emergency situations when we had Cariten, only a routine gallbladder removal and regular check-ups.

I will also take the advice to call the hospital and ask for: 1. an itemized bill. 2. a consolidated bill. 3. Mercy (jk - sort of) and a doable payment plan.

To SunnieRN: I'm so sorry you're having to go through that. I think the insurance business stinks. Our dr. will charge about $45 if you have no insurance and pay cash that day but will routinely bill our insurance over $200for an office visit. Where is the logic in that? Are they overcharging the insurance company just to see how much they can get? My insurance will usually pay about $91 for each visit and the rest is written off. So I think that both sides are equally at fault. Just to clarify - I do appreciate all the professional expertise provided by doctors, nurses and hospitals. I think they are angels of mercy and God bless them all - I couldn't do their job.

Dh is doing remarkably well, and as each specialist rules out heart problems, lungs, etc it is only going to get better.

Thank you again for all your kind words and :hug: to everyone going through something similar. I'll post again when I get some more news.

Lisa
 
It sounds like what you have is a medical plan that has a $1250 deductible per person. That means you are responsible for everything up to $1250 before BCBS will pay anything. After you have paid your deductible of $1250, they will pay 80% of the bill and you have to pay the other 20%. You will pay 20% until you have reached $5000 and then they will pay 100%.

Now, I don't know all the benefits BCBS offers but that is usually how benefits and deductibles work.

YOU have to keep track of how much you have already paid out. If you have already paid $1250, you have to be vigilant about making sure BCBS pays their 80% AND making sure the hospital and doctors understand that you've already paid your deductible. The portion you should pay would now be 20%.

Go over your bills that come in, and before you pay a cent out, make sure BCBS has paid their portion. Make sure you understand what is covered and what is not even if you have to call a bajillion times. Sometimes it takes a while for records to get updated. I know it is alot, especially when you are trying to get DH better, but if you are not vigilant, you will get screwed. Good luck, hope DH heals fast.

I agree with all of this.

It's too late now (I'm talking about for me and DH, here, not you, it's not too late for you at all!!!) for the really difficult stuff, but in the last year I've finally developed a system. Bought some cheapie binders in last year's back to school sales, got a 3 hole punch, and some dividers. Space for Explanation of Benefits, Bills, and then EOB+Bill+Receipts. I also have a printer/copier.

When I get notice that an EOB has come in electronically, I open it and make a copy. If it has more than one appointment on it, I make two, and highlight the relevant one on each page. Put those in the binder. When I get a bill, I match it up. When it's paid and I get a receipt, I staple them (also got a stapler!) together and put them in the back divider area. Keep it current for the insurance year. End of insurance year, I put all FINISHED things into a bigger binder, and start over.

I also have an accounting sort of pad with columns and rows, and I write it all out as it happens. Amount charged, what they paid, what we owe, and a check mark once we pay it with the date. That's at the front of the binder.

That's how I keep myself organized. That system might not work for you, but you need to figure out your OWN system, and quickly.



Yes, sometimes providers don't use the right billing code. I would definitley call BCBS and ask why it got denied--maybe it's a billing code issue and you can get the doctor to bill it differently.


Yep.



It sounds like your DH's hospitalizations were fairly recent. Don't be in a hurry to pay the hospitals or doctors. Many times it takes a few months for the insurance payments to be posted. Keep excellent records of your phone conversations/emails. Question every charge on the billing. You may need to request an itemized billing from the hospital. Most of the hospital bills are a summary billings only.

If a claim is denied, contact the provider (hospital or doctor) and ask for a review and re-submission of the claim. Many claims are denied due to billing coding errors.


I agree with it all!


Just make sure to set up a plan and stick with the due dates. If you can't make one, call and let them know.

Absolutely! You could be paying on something for a year, and if you miss one due date they might send you to collections. So keep up with the plan you set up with them.


Our dr. will charge about $45 if you have no insurance and pay cash that day but will routinely bill our insurance over $200for an office visit. Where is the logic in that?

In most states, you can't really offer a separate plan for insured and noninsured, but you can offer a discount to whomever you want.

When they charge insurance $200, they are very likely getting the same $45 that they might offer as a discount to someone...plus a bit extra to pay the people who do the insurance forms for them.

I'm a retired chiropractor. When I was practicing 10 years ago, the reimbursement for an office visit was around $30. That was also often the copay for insurance plans at that time (at least the ones my practice members told me about). So I just charged that amount, cash, made a "super bill" for them to send in if they wanted "credit" for deductibles, and we were all happy.

We have Aetna, and we see a chiro who is a preferred provider with them. Aetna now reimburses at a rate of something like $23 per office visit. In 10 years, it's gone DOWN. The chiro charges 62.60 for a normal visit, in order to get $23 from the insurance company, and then we pay 10% of the allowed charge, which is around $26, so we pay about 2.60 per visit once we hit the deductible.

The insurance process has caused this, and it's the reason I never became a preferred provider or played the insurance game. I charged what I charged and then I was done. I didn't want to deal with charging more to get what I felt I needed.




Your DH is so lucky he has you! Our crisis involved ME as the patient, and I'm the only one in the household who understands insurance. So I was dealing with what had happened, dealing with other things, and trying to comprehend the insurance stuff. My state and DH's lack of understanding of it caused us problems, and it took 5+ years to get out from under the bills (which were far less than yours).

I know you are dealing with your own emotions about all this, but you're not also the one with the physical problems, so it allows a small buffer that enables you to deal with the insurance people and office people better. He is so lucky to have you!

Get your own system, so that you're organized. Make copies of EOBs with multiple charges on it so you can match it up exactly. If you have questions, ask.

Get ONE notebook that you keep with all the bills and EOBs and receipts and your checkbook register (or however you keep track of your money). Date the pages, write down who you are talking to, what they say, what they'll do, when to contact them back, what YOU need to do. Keep yourself organized!

DS got an ambulance ride after a fall, and the ambulance was the first to bill insurance, but the LAST to bill us. It took months and months to finally get someone at the insurance company to notice that since the ambulance had billed first, they were reimbursing based on a NON emergent ambulance ride. If the hospital bill had come in first, the ambulance reimbursement would have automatically been done correctly. I kept taking notes, but kept losing the notes, so I couldn't be definitive about my conversations with people, and I got accused of lying a few times (thanks, Rural Metro Ambulance company!!!).

Organization will help you a great deal!

Good luck, take care of yourself, and I hope your hubby heals up fast!
 
Original poster do you have a Health Savings Account?

We have BC/BS also with $2400 family deductible (then they pay 90%) and $4200 out of pocket Maximum. Hubby had emergency surgery last year so we used ALL of our HSA money on him and of course met both deductibles so we fast forward to me this year. I have had 4 surgeries with a lung complication caused by the second surgery so I have had 4 lung drainage procedures done, probably 24 chest x-rays, 3 cat scans, etc. etc. I have a regular physician, urologist and pulmonologist (I am still not cleared yet). Anyway the surgeries all started in April and obviously we did not have enough in our HSA to pay for some of the doctor, hospital, radiology and anesthesia bills. All I had to do when I finally started to receive bills that I had to pay was call each provider and set up a monthly payment plan. I have had to pay some out of my own pocket but I use up the HSA money that is added into our account each month to pay those providers and it is working out very well. Doctors want to get paid and they will work with you on a payment plan. Nice thing is once your deductibles have been met everything else is paid @ 100%:woohoo:

I did have one bill that is being re-evaluated at this time but out of the 55 pages of bills I have racked up I feel pretty good that I am not having to fit with the insurance company more.:laughing:

Just call the providers and see what they can do for you to set up payment plans before you start using your credit cards.:eek:
 
First, I hope your DH is ok. PEs are scary and I am glad they caught it on time.

Second, Make sure you get a detailed statement from ER/hospital and make sure all charges are accurate. Call the billing dept. if the bill is confusing. Then call you ins. company and make sure you know your policy well.

When a bill comes in, make sure your insurance have paid their portion fully. If a charge was rejected, call ins. and ask why. Once all the bills (hospital, lab, each physician) are settled with the insurance co. (this can take weeks to months) call the hospital/Dr and negotiate a payment plan. Be realistic of what you can pay and stick to the plan. Most places will agree to this. If you can pay in full, negotiate a discount. These places write off so much care each year, don't feel like you are hassling them.

Lastly, I know it's stressful, but dont' worry about the bills. In the future, see if you can set aside a medical acct. that you can set aside money for these kinds of emergencies.
 

It sounds like you have a lot in savings. I would use that before picking up the credit card.

Good luck to you and your husband.

Did I miss this? I read that she had a CC with a 5k limit that they use for an emergency fund.

OP, if you have an emergency fund, this is what it's for....
 
I also have bcbs through work. But I also have bills I am on a payment plan through the hospital. The hospitals will work with you for the most part as long as you contact them. :grouphug:
 
My advice is don't pay a thing until the insurance has sorted things out a bit.

The dr and hospital and everyone else will have separate bills. The insurance company will decide which one goes toward deductible, which one goes toward your 80/20% split and which ones are covered at 100% based on the order they come in to the insurance company.

So, the first bill you get from each (dr/hospital/etc) will probably be the full amount. Then, they will adjust it based on what insurance pays and then they will send you a new bill.

I would say that insurance companies for the most part are audited all the time by the state and have to pay hefty fines if they don't pay claims so they generally don't deny "just to see what they can get away with".

There are set rules in place based on your policy but they can be adjusted. My sister for example had a routine mammogram done at a hospital near her house and it was suppose to be covered at 100%. The insurance company tried to deny it because it was done at a hospital not at a radiology center. After contacting them, they understand that the nearest radiologist was over 3 hours away and adjusted it - they just asked her to call for prior approval before hand next time since their computer system would auto decline it.

Good luck
 
Usually it is better to leave a medical bill or a collection agency bill unpaid rather than use a credit card whose own bill cannot be paid off in full in thirty days.

An exception is if the provider offers a significant discount for paying "now".

Disney hints: http://www.cockam.com/disney.htm
 
Did I miss this? I read that she had a CC with a 5k limit that they use for an emergency fund.

OP, if you have an emergency fund, this is what it's for....

She said she'd been socking away hundreds each month - should add up.
 
First, :hug: and take care of you and your husbands health, that is the most important thing.

next, skip the jealousy. I can tell you from experience that the chances are very good that if you did not have the insurance your dh would be dead.

As other posters have said, one of hte best defenses is organization. Get your bills and keep written notes of every conversation with anyone at BCBS or the hospital.

Speak with the hospital about setting up payments.
 
Hi,

I'm a medical insurance underwriter. While I currently work for a brokerage firm, I used to work for an insurance company and every single person had to help out with customer service claims when the calls got backed up so I've got some experience from that area as well. Here's what I can tell you from an insurance company's perspective. They process the claims as they receive them. If there is something wrong with the claim, they will either hold, suspend or deny the claim pending receipt of correct information.

There are a couple of things that may factor in to your expenses:

1) You mention you have a $1,250 co-payment - is this a co-payment or a deductible. A co-payment is a recurrent expense which applies to each admission then the benefit pays at 80% for each admission, until your OOP Max of $5,000 is met or is a deductible which may or may not be per admission and then the $5,000 OOP limit is applied.

2) You say your OOP limit is $5,000 - does this $5,000 include the deductible/co-payment or is this your coinsurance maximum and your actual OOP maximum is $6,250 (or more).

3) if your OOP limit is $5,000 then your DH will have had to have $18,750 in submitted eligible charges before your OOP maximum will be met. If your coinsurance limit is $5,000 then you will have to have $25,000 in eligible charges before the OOP limit is met.

4) check to see if your co-pays apply to your OOP maximum. Generally they don't but in some instances they do and you might be able to save a little money.

First and foremost check your plan summary and what it says about this issue, if it is not clear call BCBS, and request clarification of this issue.

Next, while you are on the phone with them or if you found the answer on your own call them and request a detailed summary statement or individual payment report, which summarizes all claims for which they have been billed for your DH for your current deductible year (this may vary, is your deductible annual or policy year). The report should include whether the claim has been denied and why, amount applied to deductible, amount applied to co-payment, amount applied to coinsurance for each and every claim they have received. At the end of the report it should summarize how much has been applied to deductible, how much to coinsurance on an annual basis. It should detail dates of service and provider name. They will not want to give you this but it is your right as a paying member to receive this information - if necessary, contact your DH's benefits rep at work to help you get this report. Because of HIPAA regulations, make sure your DH is standing nearby when you call so that he can authorize the BCBS rep to talk with you and to authorize the release of this data. It may take a couple of weeks for them to send the report as it will have to be requested but they absolutely, positively can get it for you. They will have to send the data to you via regular mail because of HIPAA regulations. You may also want to request the same report for yourself and your dependents to make sure where you stand on your family deductible.

Also, while you are on the phone with BCBS make sure that they have not pended or suspended any claims for COB (coordination of Benefits - once annually they will check to make sure he doesn't have other medical insurance that may be primary payor - sounds like you don't have any other coverage but it's their job to make sure) or Subrogation (can they pass this claim off on Workman's comp, liability insurance, etc.).

Once you have this report compare it to the statements sent by the providers to you. If you have a bill which doesn't show up on the report, call them and tell them to make sure to submit it to your insurance. If you have a bill that was denied you can cross reference why it's being denied, what the provider is telling you vs. what BCBS is telling you.

ETA - when you talk to BCBS, tell them you do NOT want copies of your EOBs, but a report that summarizes all EOBs that have been sent to you on a running chronological basis.

HTH
 
OP, I feel your pain. I had BCBS when I was hospitalized a few times a few years back and I am STILL paying off some of the bills that I appealed over and over again and ended up having to pay.

I do want to correct some of the previous information you were given. Do not assume your hospital will make a payment plan free of interest. The largest healthcare provider in my city, with numerous hospitals all over, will NOT. They sell your account to a bank after 90 days and you pay the bank - with interest (12%ish). Yes, many do take payments without interest or haggling but some do not. This was a RUDE awakening for me when I owed them ~3500 OOP expenses after an unexpected hospitalization. They don't give a discount for paying cash either. I tried.

I don't want to rain on your parade... I just don't want you to be shocked if you get a big fat no when you call.

I agree with not paying anything immediately. I had surgery in Feb (scheduled) and they are still battling out some bills. Most doctors offices have very understanding billing depts who are willing to explain things and take payments. Don't hesitate to call for help.

And I'd appeal... and appeal... it never hurts to try.

The best thing we did was set up payment plans with all the various bills (except for the hospital, which had to be paid in full) and have it set up automatically through our bank acct. That way, I don't miss one in the pile and they just pay until paid off (I set an end date). When you're dealing with that many practices, it's hard to keep track of them all.

I'm glad to hear your DH is doing better.
 
We have BC and my DH went to the hospital a few years ago and needed emergency surgury, the hospital was in network but it turned out that the surgeon was not, we had to fight for months to get the insurance company to pay, make sure some of the hospital bills are not for out of network Dr and FIGHT, dont pay anymore than the 1250/5000 copays/deductable, you are not responsible for any more than that amount. Some hospitals will also cut a % off the bill if you pay it all, when I had my children I got a 25% reduction off my bill if I paid within a certain time frame, every hospital is different, the last one would not discount but did set up a payment plan with no interest.
 
We've had numerous hospital bills as well throughout the years. The best advice I ever received was to NEVER pay a medical bill with a credit card.
ABSOLETELY!!!! And I am a former Visa employee who generally is very pro credit cards. I had a doctor several years ago who had his billing totally screwed up. I paid every time I had a visit. Some idiot in accounting decided that I owed $400 more. And they submitted it on my charge. I disputed it for MONTHS. I was not going to pay that on principle. Someone at Citibank tried to tell me that if I'd given them my cc # they could submit later charges on it. Fortunately I knew the real rules (I WROTE them). I think another customer might have just given in.

My advice is don't pay a thing until the insurance has sorted things out a bit.
So true. I can't tell you how many times the provider has screwed up the claim. If you pay it they have NO motivation to do it correctly.

Usually it is better to leave a medical bill or a collection agency bill unpaid rather than use a credit card whose own bill cannot be paid off in full in thirty days.
I agree. I had a doctor who cut an artery in my neck during surgery and sent me back to the room DRENCHED in blood. Someone held my neck four about 6 hours as he refused to come back in. Plus when they did the claim the office said they hadn't completed the paperwork to be a preferred provider until after my surgery. I checked beforehand.

I TOTALLY refused to pay this doctor a few thousand dollars. He literally almost killed me. It went to collections, etc. When I was applying for a mortgage the person who pulled up my credit report saw the collection and said "Oh we never pay attention to those medical collections."
 
OP; Just want to wish your husband a quick recovery!
It is so overwhelming and difficult to "deal" with insurance "stuff" while the real concentrations should be about getting ones health back.
Sorry you all are dealing with this, Wishing you the best of luck to get it resolved quickly and to your benefit.
Again, best to your hubby! :grouphug:
 
OP, I feel your pain. I had BCBS when I was hospitalized a few times a few years back and I am STILL paying off some of the bills that I appealed over and over again and ended up having to pay.

I do want to correct some of the previous information you were given. Do not assume your hospital will make a payment plan free of interest. The largest healthcare provider in my city, with numerous hospitals all over, will NOT. They sell your account to a bank after 90 days and you pay the bank - with interest (12%ish). Yes, many do take payments without interest or haggling but some do not. This was a RUDE awakening for me when I owed them ~3500 OOP expenses after an unexpected hospitalization. They don't give a discount for paying cash either. I tried.

I don't want to rain on your parade... I just don't want you to be shocked if you get a big fat no when you call.

I agree with not paying anything immediately. I had surgery in Feb (scheduled) and they are still battling out some bills. Most doctors offices have very understanding billing depts who are willing to explain things and take payments. Don't hesitate to call for help.

And I'd appeal... and appeal... it never hurts to try.

The best thing we did was set up payment plans with all the various bills (except for the hospital, which had to be paid in full) and have it set up automatically through our bank acct. That way, I don't miss one in the pile and they just pay until paid off (I set an end date). When you're dealing with that many practices, it's hard to keep track of them all.

I'm glad to hear your DH is doing better.

I see you are also in Texas. Unfortunately I think that Texas has the worst insurance protection in the nation and some of the least "forgiving" hospitals when it comes to billing. :headache:
 
My DH recently had a bunch of tests and stuff and they really still haven't figured out why his heart is doing odd flip things, but we have a BCBS high deductible policy so that first $2,500 was right off the top, then they pay 80% of what they allow for the charge. I understand you with the bills..they come in and come in and we can't even tell what procedure they are affiliated with and what the charges are for. To make it more confusing, many of the local doctors are tied in with the hospital, so their billing comes though them so the bill appears to be for the hospital even if the money goes to a doctore. We're just paying all this off at $100 chunks to different bills as sent. We also have some dental bills we are paying at $100 month. Of course all these $100 to each bill adds up for the month. This month we'll pay $500 on them, plus the BCBS bill, but what are you going to do? At least there is no interest on these, or we'd pull out of emergency savings to pay them off. We jsut got yet another bill, this one for only $279.00, but it shows partial at over 90 days late. What? We never saw this particular bill before (again, from the hospital, but who knows which doctor it is really for) and a long involved discussion with the billing dept at the hospital didn't clear anything up..they don't seem to be able to tell us what the bill is for, when it was charged or anything else, just that it is due. Scary how no-one knows anything anymore. So, yes, another $100 to them. We still don't know about a $4,500 bill that has been bounced as not allowed back and forth for a heart monitor worn for a week, and have never seen or heard about any results from that, so I guess that bill could rear it's ugly head too. It's all ridiculous, isn't it? And all of this and still has the heart flips.. I feel your frustration. Hang in there and just pay what you can slow and steady.
 
Pay what you can every month. As long as you pay something, you are making a good faith effort to satisfy the debt. They should be happy to be getting something. Many people with mounting medical debt can't pay any of it, and at some point the medical providers have to write it off. Be proud of your efforts and hugs to you both. :grouphug:
 
First of all (((HUGS))).

Secondly you need to look at WHY they are denying any medical claims. Sometimes it is something as simple as they coded it wrong.

Thirdly, you can usually work out payment plans. We have had a few large medical bills and we sent in what we could each month until it was paid down. I definietly wouldn't put it on the CC.
 














Save Up to 30% on Rooms at Walt Disney World!

Save up to 30% on rooms at select Disney Resorts Collection hotels when you stay 5 consecutive nights or longer in late summer and early fall. Plus, enjoy other savings for shorter stays.This offer is valid for stays most nights from August 1 to October 11, 2025.
CLICK HERE







New Posts







DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest

Back
Top