Don't like the way they run the MNSSH

[scrapquitler]

Would you not agree that special hard ticket event nights are different than regular nights? Hanging out an hour after closing would be viewed by those who bought special ticket that you are taking part in some of the festivities that you did not pay for.

I absolutely agree with you. But the poster I was responding to said that all the people not staying for the party should be OUT of the park by 7. I was stating that they are allowed to USE the facilities in the park UNTIL 7., this you can be in a line and not get tossed out of the line prior to being able to ride because that is in fact the policy of WDW for the parties. And furthermore I was pointing out that even though on a regular night, closing might be posted at 11, the park isn't closed and kicking people out at 11:01, people in line are still allowed to ride on those regular nights and the same is true on the party nights.

 

[PetePanMan]

I absolutely agree with you. But the poster I was responding to said that all the people not staying for the party should be OUT of the park by 7. I was stating that they are allowed to USE the facilities in the park UNTIL 7., this you can be in a line and not get tossed out of the line prior to being able to ride because that is in fact the policy of WDW for the parties. And furthermore I was pointing out that even though on a regular night, closing might be posted at 11, the park isn't closed and kicking people out at 11:01, people in line are still allowed to ride on those regular nights and the same is true on the party nights.

gotcha and I agree

 

[Missyrose]

Let's reverse the sinario. Since the party starts at 7 and that is what party goers are paying for (not park admission for the day) maybe they should not be allowed to do rides, eat or shop til 7. Because they are making my last 3 hours that I paid for more crowded as well. People it's Disney, just be happy!

No one is arguing anything about Disney is a fair game. Disney makes the rules and guests have to follow them. On any regular night, guests can stay for a couple of hours after "park close." We've been swept out of the park as the very last guests nearly two hours after close.

But the parties are private events that require special admission. And as such, guests without that special admission aren't permitted to just "hang out" to their heart's content after the park closes for regular park hours that day. Disney allows day guests to ride rides and eat as long as they're begun either activity before the park closes. That's it.

 

[beckydisneyb]

Those three hours are beneficial to everyone, really. It helps to prevent utter chaos at the gates for those coming and going, and it helps Disney sell more same day party tickets. I'm curious to see how crowds on party days will be during free dining periods this year. With hoppers (or WP&M) being required, the party days during those periods could be much more crowded than in years past.

Oh I'm not denying that it's beneficial. Helps the transition from one event to another. My grip was those saying the daytime guests should not be able to use there last hour or so, doing what is done at park close any other day (late adr or jumping in line for a ride). I think whether your a daytime or a party goer, there will be overlap.

 

[beckydisneyb]

No one is arguing anything about Disney is a fair game. Disney makes the rules and guests have to follow them. On any regular night, guests can stay for a couple of hours after "park close." We've been swept out of the park as the very last guests nearly two hours after close.

But the parties are private events that require special admission. And as such, guests without that special admission aren't permitted to just "hang out" to their heart's content after the park closes for regular park hours that day. Disney allows day guests to ride rides and eat as long as they're begun either activity before the park closes. That's it.

Totally agree with you. I have been there on a party night. I made a late adr, enjoyed dinner then left the park. I understand that after my adr, my time was over. My grip was with whoever posted that the daytime should plan out our itinerary to be done by 7. The comment implied that if it was six o'clock and the wait for a ride was over 60 minutes. We shouldn't be allowed to ride. Or at least that is how I took it lol. But yes once your final "whatever" is done. People should leave and not intrude on what they didn't pay for!

 

[BugsDaddy]

Well, I have an ADR at Tony's at 6:55pm on a party night, which I do not have a party ticket for. I will be there from rope drop that day. When I booked my ADRs that was the only time I could get a reservation for, and honestly, with what I'd like to do with the rest of my day, that time will be perfect. If WDW did not want people to be in the parks at all after that cut off time, then they would cut off ADRs at 5:30 or 6pm. I just want to eat dinner, my intention isn't to stay to try and get into the party for free. It'll take me a while to eat, because I have swallowing problems. So, not everyone is trying to get over on Disney or get something for nothing. Some people just want to sit down and have a relaxing dinner that they can manage to eat at the end of a long day. Also, on any given night, you're allowed to get in line up until close, and it's never a problem. So, on a party night, day guests should not be required to be out of the park by 7pm. I think the way they do it is fine. Guest for the party can start to enter at 4pm and day guests who may have an ADR that may run past 7, will be escorted out after they are finished with their meal.

The reason they allow ADRs right up to 7 and past 7 is because the people with tickets to the party might want to eat. At 7:00 pm, you no longer have a valid ticket to the park. The ADR system does not care about park tickets when you are making the ADR. You can also make a reservation at Epcot for dinner, make one for every night of the week, but if you do not have a valid ticket to the park, you are not getting in. Having an ADR doesn't change that fact.

If you show up at the park at 6:30pm for a 6:55 ADR, don't be too surprised if they don't let you in without a party ticket, that's all I am saying. Maybe they will. Now, if you are already in the park well before the party, then I would doubt that they would kick you out but you would be asked to leave right after dinner, I am sure.

 

[Disneyliscious]

The reason they allow ADRs right up to 7 and past 7 is because the people with tickets to the party might want to eat. At 7:00 pm, you no longer have a valid ticket to the park. The ADR system does not care about park tickets when you are making the ADR. You can also make a reservation at Epcot for dinner, make one for every night of the week, but if you do not have a valid ticket to the park, you are not getting in. Having an ADR doesn't change that fact.

If you show up at the park at 6:30pm for a 6:55 ADR, don't be too surprised if they don't let you in without a party ticket, that's all I am saying. Maybe they will. Now, if you are already in the park well before the party, then I would doubt that they would kick you out but you would be asked to leave right after dinner, I am sure.

In reference to the poster you quoted, I found it so convenient that they have a 6:55pm res for Tonys, which is right on the parade route and made sure to tell us they had to eat slow. Gosh, no way they'll get to see the 8pm parade they didn't pay for. And like Tonys was the only place in the park to eat. And its perfect for her "time".....of course it is! Enjoy the parade you didnt pay for!

 

[CampbellzSoup]

The reason they allow ADRs right up to 7 and past 7 is because the people with tickets to the party might want to eat. At 7:00 pm, you no longer have a valid ticket to the park. The ADR system does not care about park tickets when you are making the ADR. You can also make a reservation at Epcot for dinner, make one for every night of the week, but if you do not have a valid ticket to the park, you are not getting in. Having an ADR doesn't change that fact.

If you show up at the park at 6:30pm for a 6:55 ADR, don't be too surprised if they don't let you in without a party ticket, that's all I am saying. Maybe they will. Now, if you are already in the park well before the party, then I would doubt that they would kick you out but you would be asked to leave right after dinner, I am sure.

Their going to let them dine, hence why they were allowed to make the reservations .

 

[Love Tink]

The reason they allow ADRs right up to 7 and past 7 is because the people with tickets to the party might want to eat. At 7:00 pm, you no longer have a valid ticket to the park. The ADR system does not care about park tickets when you are making the ADR. You can also make a reservation at Epcot for dinner, make one for every night of the week, but if you do not have a valid ticket to the park, you are not getting in. Having an ADR doesn't change that fact.

No, allowing ADRs shortly before closing has nothing to do with the party. All the parks have restaurants that do this, every day of the year. We often make reservations that keep us in parks well after closing. It's one way we maximize park time - park closes at 9:00, make an 8:45 ADR.

Two very different things are discussed in this thread - people who are trying to "steal party atmosphere" by sneaking around with no wristband, and people who just want to use every allowed minute of a shorter-than-average park day. Conflating the two of them and acting like they are the same thing is just dumb.

I wouldn't try to steal any party experiences I didn't pay for. But I have been there on party days. And if I am on Main Street at 6:45 and I decide I want to ride the Mine Train one last time before heading out, I am going to do so. And that isn't breaking any rules or making a questionable moral choice. I love that Disney has the "if you are in line" rule. It's one of the cool things about going there, that victorious feeling when you make it back into the queue in the nick of time for that one last ride.

I once got in a two-and-a-half-hour line at Disneyland at 11:59pm when the park closed at midnight. We got on the ride.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Their going to let them dine, hence why they were allowed to make the reservations .

Yes. We made a 6:55 BOG reservation last year for a party night (ended up cancelling, as our schedule changed, but went through the entire booking process). The system pops up a warning that you will need a separate ticket to the party for your adr, but it only did this, in our experience, for 7pm and beyond. No such warning for a 655 or 645 adr. Again, just our experience

 

[BugsDaddy]

Their going to let them dine, hence why they were allowed to make the reservations .

The ADR system doesn't care if you have valid park tickets or not when you make a reservation.

Their going to let them dine, hence why they were allowed to make the reservations .

The ADR system doesn't care if you have ANY park tickets when you book an ADR as long as it falls into at least a 180 day period from now. It doesn't restrict you from making any available ADRs. They could make a reservation for 8pm on a party night if they wanted to but they are not going to get into the park without a party ticket.

 

[BugsDaddy]

No, allowing ADRs shortly before closing has nothing to do with the party. All the parks have restaurants that do this, every day of the year. We often make reservations that keep us in parks well after closing. It's one way we maximize park time - park closes at 9:00, make an 8:45 ADR.

Two very different things are discussed in this thread - people who are trying to "steal party atmosphere" by sneaking around with no wristband, and people who just want to use every allowed minute of a shorter-than-average park day. Conflating the two of them and acting like they are the same thing is just dumb.

I wouldn't try to steal any party experiences I didn't pay for. But I have been there on party days. And if I am on Main Street at 6:45 and I decide I want to ride the Mine Train one last time before heading out, I am going to do so. And that isn't breaking any rules or making a questionable moral choice. I love that Disney has the "if you are in line" rule. It's one of the cool things about going there, that victorious feeling when you make it back into the queue in the nick of time for that one last ride.

I once got in a two-and-a-half-hour line at Disneyland at 11:59pm when the park closed at midnight. We got on the ride.

There is a difference between a park closing for the day where everyone has paid the same type of admission to be there and the park closing for a special event where people have paid a premium to be there. To use your words, conflating the two of them and acting like they are the same thing is just dumb.

 

[bumbershoot]

If you show up at the park at 6:30pm for a 6:55 ADR, don't be too surprised if they don't let you in without a party ticket, that's all I am saying. Maybe they will.

Of course they will let you in. People are allowed in on normal tickets UNTIL 7pm. And they allow people with *only* party tickets (when the party starts at 7) starting at 4. They are extra-kind to ALL people there.

ETA to put all the thoughts from my head onto the page rather than making you guess at it....I mean, they'll be told "OK now turn around and leave" if they enter immediately before 7, but that's when the park closes to normal ticket holders.

And if I am on Main Street at 6:45 and I decide I want to ride the Mine Train one last time before heading out, I am going to do so. And that isn't breaking any rules or making a questionable moral choice. I love that Disney has the "if you are in line" rule. It's one of the cool things about going there, that victorious feeling when you make it back into the queue in the nick of time for that one last ride.

Exactly.

The ADR system doesn't care if you have valid park tickets or not when you make a reservation.


The ADR system doesn't care if you have ANY park tickets when you book an ADR as long as it falls into at least a 180 day period from now. It doesn't restrict you from making any available ADRs. They could make a reservation for 8pm on a party night if they wanted to but they are not going to get into the park without a party ticket.

See below.

The system pops up a warning that you will need a separate ticket to the party for your adr, but it only did this, in our experience, for 7pm and beyond. No such warning for a 655 or 645 adr.

 

[Disneyliscious]

I wonder what would happen if a private party rented the park for a few hours in the evening. Would guests, who were informed ahead of time of the early closing, still feel like they could squeeze out last minutes at someones wedding or something?

 

[BugsDaddy]

Let me preface this by saying that I am not calling anyone on this thread a liar or a cheater but some of the explanations being tossed around (justified or not) reminds me of a documentary I saw the other night on why people cheat and lie.

Here were some of the top responses:

1. It's ok because everyone else is doing it.
2. It's not really hurting anyone so it's ok.
3. They are not enforcing the rule, so that makes it ok.

These are things people tell themselves to justify lying and cheating. Perfectly good people. I am sure everyone has lied or cheated at some point. No one on this thread but I can imagine those people who try to intentionally avoid detection to squeeze in on a party they have not paid admission to, try to justify it in some of these ways.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Of course they will let you in. People are allowed in on normal tickets UNTIL 7pm. And they allow people with *only* party tickets (when the party starts at 7) starting at 4. They are extra-kind to ALL people there.

ETA to put all the thoughts from my head onto the page rather than making you guess at it....I mean, they'll be told "OK now turn around and leave" if they enter immediately before 7, but that's when the park closes to normal ticket holders.



Exactly.



See below.

There is a difference between restricting access and popping up a warning.

 

[smitch425]

All park ADRs, regardless of date or time, state that you must have valid park admission, and you have to check the box stating that you read that before you can complete the booking.

 

[BugsDaddy]

All park ADRs, regardless of date or time, state that you must have valid park admission, and you have to check the box stating that you read that before you can complete the booking.

This is true. By the way, I dig your family's avenger costumes! Very cool!

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Let me preface this by saying that I am not calling anyone on this thread a liar or a cheater but some of the explanations being tossed around (justified or not) reminds me of a documentary I saw the other night on why people cheat and lie.

Here were some of the top responses:

1. It's ok because everyone else is doing it.
2. It's not really hurting anyone so it's ok.
3. They are not enforcing the rule, so that makes it ok.

These are things people tell themselves to justify lying and cheating. Perfectly good people. I am sure everyone has lied or cheated at some point. No one on this thread but I can imagine those people who try to intentionally avoid detection to squeeze in on a party they have not paid admission to, try to justify it in some of these ways.

What if someone just wants to eat their overpriced Disney food at 6:55 knowing that they will be having a limited day, and want to get the most out of their time at the parks?

No one here needs to justify their dining decisions with you, and if they wanted to eat at 6:59 let them...I'm just not understanding what you're so concerned about someone elses dining reservations. Disney obviously lets them make the reservations, and WILL let them dine as I've seen so why are you so concerned? They will be promptly escorted out of the park after their meal is complete When you have your own them park, make the rules, it's not up to you to enforce Disneys' on your mortality scale.

 

[smitch425]

This is true. By the way, I dig your family's avenger costumes! Very cool!

Thanks! We were constantly checked for our party bands in those costumes. We were happy to oblige, but it would take some serious bravery to walk around the park like that without paying to be there.