Don't like the way they run the MNSSH

[Disneyliscious]

Justification for what...? Staying until 6:55 to make an ADR that Disney allows you to? What's the justification your alluding to?

Exactly she's paying the day price ticket for half a days experience and no fireworks - does it offend people she might hear some halloween music as she's being escorted from the park?

The lady with the 6:55pm reservation has every right to eat her meal as does anyone else who books at that time. Their choosing to visit the park on a short day and miss the fireworks/parade has no bearing on anything so Im not sure why you said it. You made it sound like people who visit the park during the day on a MNSSHP night deserve more because their day was cut short. They don't. They chose to attend MK on that day knowing it would be a short day. The lady with the 6:55pm reservation expects her meal and nothing more. Thats the way it should be.

Btw, to the lady who has the 6:55pm reservation.....may I ask how many people are in your party?

 

[MataHari22]

Btw, to the lady who has the 6:55pm reservation.....may I ask how many people are in your party?

Just two of us.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

The lady with the 6:55pm reservation has every right to eat her meal as does anyone else who books at that time. Their choosing to visit the park on a short day and miss the fireworks/parade has no bearing on anything so Im not sure why you said it. You made it sound like people who visit the park during the day on a MNSSHP night deserve more because their day was cut short. They don't. They chose to attend MK on that day knowing it would be a short day. The lady with the 6:55pm reservation expects her meal and nothing more. Thats the way it should be.

Btw, to the lady who has the 6:55pm reservation.....may I ask how many people are in your party?

You interpret things the way you want so whatever - I'm saying to the people who don't like that others can get ADRs at that time schedule that their trying to get to maximize their park time since they will be leaving early knowingly, are wrong.

 

[whiporee]

You interpret things the way you want so whatever - I'm saying to the people who don't like that others can get ADRs at that time schedule that their trying to get to maximize their park time since they will be leaving early knowingly, are wrong.

I think that people who try to stay for a part of a hard ticket event without paying for it are wrong. If it happens because it happens, that's one thing, but if it happens because of a planned reservation, then I think that's trying to game the system.

While I'm sure no one posting here has done that or plans to do that, I'm equally sure others have attempted to maximize their time at the expense of people who paid for the party and therefore, when the subject arises, some get touchy about it.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I think that people who try to stay for a part of a hard ticket event without paying for it are wrong. If it happens because it happens, that's one thing, but if it happens because of a planned reservation, then I think that's trying to game the system.

While I'm sure no one posting here has done that or plans to do that, I'm equally sure others have attempted to maximize their time at the expense of people who paid for the party and therefore, when the subject arises, some get touchy about it.

And herein lies the problem. You feel that a late reservation means that person is trying to experience part of the party when they didn't pay for it. While I'm sure that is the case on.occasion, there is a different mindset as well - the mindset of the day guest maximizing their time in the park on rides, not at a slow table service. This is no different of a mindset than *any* person who makes an adr immediately prior to closing at any time of year has. It isn't fudging the rules, Disney explicitly says its ok , or they wouldnt offer adrs close to closing in the first place...no one is finishing a TS meal in 15 mins.

Didn't the villains soiree people end up.in the park after midnight (closing time for the party) if they had second seating? Wasn't that a huge draw for the second seating time, so people could maximize their time at the party before enjoying the soiree? I recall posts about that last year. I also recall them being escorted out of the park by cms, not being allowed to.linger....just as those who finish dining after 7 and do.not have a MNSSHP ticket are escorted out. How is that any different?

 

[FeralCatRogue]

to answer the mnshhp party question, villians soiree people with 2nd seating ended up having their party end at 12:45am so they were closer to 1am leaving the park. And yes when losing an hour for a party in a party you would want to do the later portion since you instead missed only about 15 mins instead of over and hour.

 

[Angel Ariel]

to answer the mnshhp party question, villians soiree people with 2nd seating ended up having their party end at 12:45am so they were closer to 1am leaving the park. And yes when losing an hour for a party in a party you would want to do the later portion since you instead missed only about 15 mins instead of over and hour.

I completely agree, and I would have likely done the same if we had been there for that.

For those stating that people getting adrs for a time right before closing is fudging the rules, though, I just don't see how this is different. Park closed at midnight...event wasn't scheduled to end until well after that. People wanting to maximize their time in the patk....seems pretty similar to me. Similar enough to have a difficult time accepting that one is fine, and the other is breaking the rules, etc.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

to answer the mnshhp party question, villians soiree people with 2nd seating ended up having their party end at 12:45am so they were closer to 1am leaving the park. And yes when losing an hour for a party in a party you would want to do the later portion since you instead missed only about 15 mins instead of over and hour.

They obviously must be liars and cheaters...

 

[mummabear]

For me, personally, I don't really care or monitor what other people are doing on my vacation. I do feel sorry for the CMs whose job it is to try to herd out the non-party goers. I am sure there are people who are well aware that the park closes for regular guests at 7 but will try to stretch it out past that time as far as they can. If you are planning to go into a shop at 6:50, odds are you will not be out of the park at 7 and most people know that. I am sure there are still people that will try to argue the point with CMs in order to stretch 7 to 7:30 or 8:00.

I totally get your point but on any other night you just have to be in line before park close and the park is still "open" for quite some time after closing for shopping etc so I can see why someone would think at 6:50 its okay to pop into a shop near the entrance looking for one specific thing.

 

[mummabear]

I think there is a big difference with having a late ADR or a late FP (late but before 7) where you have an actual purpose to be there vs. having nothing to do and suddenly deciding 10 minutes before 7 that you want to do this or do that. I think it just comes down to being considerate of other people's experience. I don't think it is inconsiderate to finish out a scheduled event before 7 or even a little after. I think it is inconsiderate to intentionally delay your departure to get a little "piece" of the party atmosphere.

Perfectly put, I think in the case of ADR's there are few party goers who want to waste their time on a TS meal during their party hours so I don't see a problem with non party goers stretching out their "park time" by booking their ADR for as late as the rules allow (and by stretching out I mean using their park time to ride rather then eat)

 

[mummabear]

[QUOTE="Disneyliscious, post: 53749024, member: 227954"]Would you go into any other business, minutes before closing time, and expect them to stay open for you? If they close at 7pm then that means they close at 7pm. Guests should have their itinerary completed and have exited the part by or before 7pm.[/QUOTE]

I used to work in a telco retail store and not only do people think that as long as they are in the store before they are closed they can take all the time in the world but they will also knock after the door is locked and the lights are out saying "I just have a quick question" or "can I just quickly grab a top up".
Sure I only lock the door so the real smart people can buy from me, not those silly people that see a closed sign and think oh the store is closed. Seesh.

 

[mummabear]

I would never have a problem with people eating dinner right before the party, but entering on a line for a ride, considering people pay for the hard tickets sometimes due to the quick lines, is a little... I don't know, I wouldn't feel good doing it.

I know and understand this changes from person to person, and I do believe that very few people do it with an ill intent (otherwise we would have much bigger lines in party nights!)

Same thing with PM EMH. The EMH are 2 hours long but day guests can enter a 90 minute line 1 minute before normal closing, after that the time is is meant to be for resort guests only. But the resort guest dont really see the benefit they are meant to (shorter lines) because people can enter the line and have the "right" to ride up until close.

 

[mummabear]

I want you to know that I feel horrible after reading your post. I assumed, and well, we all know what that does. Yes, I am ashamed of my accusation towards you and am very sorry I upset you so badly. You have been through a lot, yet you survived because you were a fighter. And not only were you a fighter in your real life.....you continued to be a fighter online and stand up to some stranger who had been mean. And again, you won. I don't know what possessed me to type that about you last night. Honestly, I come to these boards every few years when I get ready to plan a trip and am overwhelmed by all the cheating of the system I see going on here. It utterly disgusts me to see the hoggy, greedy nature of people (like using old MB's with no ticket attached to get more FP+ when you enter a park). The day before I had spoken to a CM for quite some time about all this.....people booking multiple ADR's for the same restaurant on the same day/week, the MB cheating, just the overall lengths people are going to in order to cheat the system. The actions of people like that affect other guests but they don't care. And its because of people like that, that Disney doesn't seem quite as magical to many anymore.

I hadn't considered the lingering in the parks on a party night until this thread and then it hit me that this is another way some people try and cheat the system. It begs me to wonder if there are any good, moral people left anymore who think of others instead of themselves. But you showed me that my assumptions of you make me no better than the people I have been complaining about.

I hope you dont stop visiting these boards. These boards can be fun and should be a positive part in planning our trips. While I still stand by my views on the 7pm closure, I apologize for my assumptions about you.

Whenever you eat your dinner at Tonys, I hope you don't sit there wondering if people are looking at you to see if you have a wristband on. I hope you take your time and enjoy your meal for as long as you wish. Enjoy it with your family for as long as possible. My last trip to Disney World I had dinner with my mother. This trip....she won't be along to eat with me. She died of cancer less than 2 years ago.

Thank you for putting me in my place. I needed it.

Good on you for having the guts to apologize.