Does line jumping/saving bother anyone else?

[A Mickeyfan]

I am surprised by all of the posts that say children can't stand in line because they don't have the patience or have too much energy ( I am excluding the arguement of special needs kids as they have their own needs and tolerences)-- so, what do these parents do on a car trip--especially for those who have children in car seat- (the law is 8yrs old where we live). I can understand the potty breaks, but other than that-- would you stop the car and get out every five minutes beause your child doesn't want to wait. At least in line they can move around. I have 2 children and there is plenty to do in line to keep a child busy-- small coloring books, read a small book, blow bubbles, counting games, rhyming games, small hand held games, etc.

You said the magic words...."stand" and "seat"...it is different when a child can sit & wait compared to standing, then moving about 2 feet then standing again..doing this over and over agin for 60 minutes is too much for a child...and as far as the bubles, I would rather your child wait outside the line than blow bubbles that can burst on someone and get them sticky... yes, games & coloring books are a good idea, but it dosen't solve the problem of the standing. And as I stated before...special needs, how do we know that the mom & son who just came infront of us wasn't a special needs case, not all of the special needs are visible to everyone. I am not meaning to jump on you by no means...just pointing out the difference between standing & sitting...and not seeing the speical needs. And to the posters who don't mind the bathroom but bothered by the other things, how do you know that parent didn't come back from the bath room with the child. Has anyone here ever been on the checkout line in the supermarket & forgot something...have you ever ran back & got it, leaving your cart in line... sort of the same thing here.... no you are not shopping and getting lots of other things but maybe a gallon of milk.... I know I have done that...got online & saw I forgot my milk, or better yet, the milk was leaking & I ran back to get another... I left the line & came back...did it change your wait time...not really... if Mom & daughter are sitting because Mom cannot stand long, is it making you wait longer because she joined Dad & son...no...it isn't. Is it making one wait longer when one person is in front of you & all of a sudden 6-8 more join them, is it making you wait longer..yes, so there is a line that can be drawn. I don't think this is a case of black and white...it is gray...... and no one will ever win this debate. There are some that just feel it isn't correct & others that feel it is... to those of you who feel it isn't..... I hope you don't have to use the bathroom while on a 60 minute wait... someone may not let you back in

 

[CdnDisneyFan]

Geez, after all this talk about having to go potty (I notice there are a lot of potty mouths here, lol), now "I" http!!! Thanks whoever started it, lol!!

Jules

 

[gshanny]

We just got back from a trip last month. I did notice a lot of people holding spots in the line and few had kids. It seemed like we were constantly having people shove past us telling us they were with a group ahead. I started watching and many times I saw one person from a group go racing for a line and then the other 6 or more people would jump up into the line with them after several groups had got into the line behind the one that ran up ahead of his group. One time it was 2 little boys and the parents were acting upset that people weren't letting them back with their young kids quickly. Why would you let them out of your sight like that in the first place. Once they got back with their kids they never told them to stop running ahead even, they just let them do it on another ride. Another time I watched 2 parents place their two extremely young girls in front of the entrance to block it and they went to put up their stroller with their backs to the girls. They then came back and went into the line ahead of several families that had to wait at the entrance since the 2 little girls were blocking everyone. No, it didn't delay me all that much, but it irritated me that my children waited in line and asked me why others were allowed to cut. To my children the extra wait did matter.
If it is so important to be with your group that is far ahead in line then maybe they should come back to where you are in line instead of others jumping ahead. I did see a rather large group try to get ahead right at the very end of the Test Track line. They started to wave them up, then stopped and actually looked at how many people were between them and instead stepped back and waited until their group made it through the line without jumping ahead. I saw people thank them. BTW, these people were not trying to regain a spot they already had in line either.
We go in January when the crowds aren't even large and you have very little wait times as it is. Is it worth it to make a young child wait just to save yourself that extra 2 minute wait. When you and 3 others groups jump ahead in line you just added many minutes to the wait of someone else.
I did get a giggle once. My DS decided at the end of the line he didn't want to ride Mission Space. They had us stand in the center where non riders have to stand. We were told as soon as the doors opened we had to go first. The doors opened and they hollered out for us and we started to move towards the door and this girl waiting jumped out in front of us. The CM was telling her to step back in line and let us out we were non riders. After several times of being told to get back in line the others in her group had to start screaming at her to move since she just stood there directly blocking us. They all realized no one was going to get to move until they let us out. She was more worried we would get ahead of her and she ended up costing herself more time in the end.
I had a hard time, but I finally convinced my kids that many times it was not worth worrying about. The attractions that had 'holding rooms' were better to stand back and let the others elbow each other to get in first. They had taken count and we were guaranteed a seat so why worry about being the first in. I was just sorry that a place that was intended to be a happy place couldn't be that way for all.

 

[Jeanny]

yes, I can, it's called the parent is in control, not the child. and if you can't wait in line, like everyone else, then you should wait until the children are older to visit Disney World.

Now, groups jumping in line, that's just plain rude .

 

[lclark0621]

My My...Aren't some peoples' panties in a twist over little kids needing some space to run.

 

[crazee4mickey]

My My...Aren't some peoples' panties in a twist over little kids needing some space to run.

LOL...
Sadly, this is so true!

 

[lham1531]

OK - I think we've beat the dead horse over the line-cutting -

But how about this -
Groups worming their way through long lines, jumping one group at a time, to get ahead. This happened to us on our last trip - we were a group of 4 adults, 3 kids. Behind us would be young-adult or teen groups who would sort of start edging into our space, then one at a time go beyond our space until the whole group was in front of us- then they would do it to the next group - especially as they rounded corners, where the line space widened - it was like cars in heavy traffic whose drivers squeeze dangerously between cars and lanes to get ahead - anyone else see this? I would kind of get our group to spread out, rope to rope, to keep people from squeezing through -

Also, last trip - we got to a character greeting spot right after the characters went on break (Aladdin and Jasmine) - the CM told us right where to stand to form the next line for their return - so we stood dutifully in that spot for 10-15 minutes - when A and J returned, they walked from another building, through the crowd towards the greeting spot and a mob of people followed them - the crowd sort was sort of to their left, while the spot we had been standing in, as designated by the CM, was to their right - so I was having to jockey for position - I think I finally had to tell a sympathetic parent that we'd been told by the CM to wait in one spot and they let us in - but several other parents scooted us aside and planted their feet right in front of us - I was ill at the CM for not stepping in and explaining that indeed, we were the first in the new line and had been waiting for awhile -

I'm telling you - other's behavior can begin to bring out the worst in me - especially when it comes to my kids - then I try to picture what I must look like, standing my ground, and what how my kids are seeing me - usually it straightens me right out!

 

[luvthatduke]

I'm telling you - other's behavior can begin to bring out the worst in me - especially when it comes to my kids - then I try to picture what I must look like, standing my ground, and what how my kids are seeing me - usually it straightens me right out!

Amen!
I remember reading delswife's trip reports last year,
and with all she went thru she just kept reminding
herself that she did not want her children having
any ugly memories of WDW & their time together.

I want to remember that mindset as well...

 

[vellamint]

I usually ignore these behaviors from older children and adults (small kids needing to go to the bathroom etc, to me anyway, shouldnt matter).....but then last year in Disneyland a woman tried the "lets run up the stairs ahead of this family (us) and then call everyone else in our party up to join us" game.

The way my kids looked at me told me that I needed to say something simply for the fact that sometimes you need to stand up for yourself. I was firm and polite but wouldnt let them all past us. I NEVER, EVER do that...yes it annoys me but I really try HARD not to let it get to me and figure if its THAT important to them let them go....dont get myself stressed. This time I HAD to say something and my kids were proud of me and I was proud of me.....not that it did any good...half of them cut anyway but hopefully it made them think twice about doing it again to others.

I dont think its wrong for small children to be taken for a walk or a drink or the bathroom......I think it is wrong to think they have the capacity to wait for extended periods of time.

 

[ujpest_doza]

On our last trip to Disney Studios i was waiting in line to go on Aerosmith (DW and DD waited outside to do babyswap) and there was a large very loud group of about 10 Teenage girls in front of me and behind me were 2 very quiet teenage girls.

Anyway, behind the 2 quiet girls was a large very loud group of teenage boys and both groups were generally messing around, shouting, singing, flirting with each other and generally being a pain in the proverbial.

As we neared the front the teenage boys started asking to be past in order to join the teenage girls.

Obviously i refused and said i had no problem with them wanting to go on together with the teenage girls in front of me, providing that the girls moved backwards in the line rather than move forwards ie me and the 2 quiet girls behind me moved in front of the large group of loud tennagers.

They reluctantly agreed to this, and when i got inside the Aerosmith ride before the 2 large groups (who were still fooling around), the 2 quiet teenage girls tapped me on the shoulder and said that they wanted to thank me for not letting the boys jump ahead of them as they would have been too scared to stop them themselves.

A little victory for all of the people in the world who have ever suffered at the hands of bullies!

 

[meandtheguys2]

But this is certainly one of those situations where we CAN control the situation and make it as fair as possible.

Teach that one to your boys..............

Exactly how can we control this. Last I looked, you or I don't make or enforce the "rules" at WDW.

And what about Fast Pass? Should you not use fast pass, because you don't have to stand in line as long as the others? You aren't suffering as much?

My boys learned about fair watching their grandfather die last fall. Nothing in their life was fair. Or in his. A much more important lesson than whining because some litle kid didn't stand in line as long as they did.

I teach them that if they base their happiness on what others do or have that they will ALWAYS come out wanting. Because there is always someone ahead in line or with the bigger piece of cake. Teaching them patience and compassion is much more important to me. Teaching them selfishness and whining are pretty far down on the list.

 

[NeverlandClub23]

OK - I think we've beat the dead horse over the line-cutting -

But how about this -
Groups worming their way through long lines, jumping one group at a time, to get ahead. This happened to us on our last trip - we were a group of 4 adults, 3 kids. Behind us would be young-adult or teen groups who would sort of start edging into our space, then one at a time go beyond our space until the whole group was in front of us- then they would do it to the next group - especially as they rounded corners, where the line space widened - it was like cars in heavy traffic whose drivers squeeze dangerously between cars and lanes to get ahead - anyone else see this? I would kind of get our group to spread out, rope to rope, to keep people from squeezing through -

Also, last trip - we got to a character greeting spot right after the characters went on break (Aladdin and Jasmine) - the CM told us right where to stand to form the next line for their return - so we stood dutifully in that spot for 10-15 minutes - when A and J returned, they walked from another building, through the crowd towards the greeting spot and a mob of people followed them - the crowd sort was sort of to their left, while the spot we had been standing in, as designated by the CM, was to their right - so I was having to jockey for position - I think I finally had to tell a sympathetic parent that we'd been told by the CM to wait in one spot and they let us in - but several other parents scooted us aside and planted their feet right in front of us - I was ill at the CM for not stepping in and explaining that indeed, we were the first in the new line and had been waiting for awhile -

I'm telling you - other's behavior can begin to bring out the worst in me - especially when it comes to my kids - then I try to picture what I must look like, standing my ground, and what how my kids are seeing me - usually it straightens me right out!

When we used to go in July the groups getting in front of you happened all of the time! Every line we would get in a large group would magically appear behind us and then slowly one by one they would get in front of us wherever the line would widen or go around a large corner. I'm so glad we don't go in July anymore mainly for this reason! With lower attendance times of the year that we've been going there haven't been any lines anyways.

 

[cmonroe]

Exactly, Neverland Club!!!! That man and woman were the ones who were rude.

And, let me remind everyone here of the OP's topic. The topic was NOT "Is it okay for your family to do this..." It was 'Does it bother you when you see someone do this?"

I continue to have the opinion that It does NOT bother me... And, I could care less if it bothers anyone else or not... I feel that if this does bother somebody, then they are being a holier-than-thou, AR, controlling person, who deserves to be miserable if they let such things make them miserable.

Everybody there is 'waiting'... no matter what. Nobody is getting out of 'waiting'...

And, guess what... When we go an open-seating, first come first serve, fast-food type restaurant... While DH gets in line, we grab a table!!!! Or, maybe I take DS to the restroom... No matter how long the line is, my DS learned very quickly that he was going to put his behind in his seat and wait patiently and quietly while my DH was getting our meal. My sister has three kids, and they did not do this. I would have lunch with them, and with my DS following her older kids example there were four kids running rampant! Hanging from the rails, raiding the condiment bar, running over here and there to look out the window, etc... I feel that my way of handling this with my DS is MUCH preferable.... It has NOTHING to do with him being 'spoiled' or not learning to 'wait'. If my way of 'waiting' bothers you... so be it.

It is not the 'waiting' that is the issue here. It is those who become all hot and bothered cause somebody is not not doing something just the way that they think they should. Let it bother you... Just don't judge me... Just don't expect me to care.

Yeesh....... I think everyone appreciates alternative views, but please name calling ("holier than though, AR(I don't know what that means), controlling, dictators.....") only diminishes your opinion and credibility. Can't we have a discussion without name calling? Wishing, you are a veteran of this board, you should know better.

 

[TrickyFish]

Wow, between this thread, the children in restaurants thread on the dining board, and a couple of other threads I have browsed through, I never want to have children...

 

[cmonroe]

Wow, between this thread, the children in restaurants thread on the dining board, and a couple of other threads I have browsed through, I never want to have children...

LOL!! Nice way to inject some levity into this thread TrickyFish! Too funny!

 

[Jennasis]

OY! Everyone just calm down!


To each there own. Some people mind line savers, and some people don't care. I don't condone line saving, but I also don't care when people have to leave the line for the potty, to grab a drink (or in my BIL case, a misty fan!) etc..and then returns to their party in line. I don't agree with people sending a "scout" ahead to hold a space in line while the rest of the group farts around shopping/character greeting/etc...

As far as older people or "little ones" who are unable to wait in lines due to the heat or length of time spent standing or confinced space or what-not...WHY THE HECK ARE YOU AT WDW???? It's FLORIDA! It's HOT. It's CROWDED!. If you want to go to WDW and not wait in lines, go during milder months and less crowded times of year. That's what is so great about Disney. It is for everybody. Just not during the hot/crowded times.

 

[taximomfor4]

I also did my best parenting before I had children...when I was merely an aunt... [/QUOTE]

GREAT, and true! lol!

 

[taximomfor4]

As far as older people or "little ones" who are unable to wait in lines due to the heat or length of time spent standing or confinced space or what-not...WHY THE HECK ARE YOU AT WDW???? It's FLORIDA! It's HOT. It's CROWDED!. If you want to go to WDW and not wait in lines, go during milder months and less crowded times of year. That's what is so great about Disney. It is for everybody. Just not during the hot/crowded times.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...this is why we have not, till this year, ever taken our family vacation. We waited to NOT go during a crowded time. HOWEVER, we have given up waiting, due to DH's work he is forbidden to take vacation days during school sessions. We have only school vacation times to go anywhere. We will go, and we will take our kids,finally, and we will make the best of it. If my child with special needs (invisible) including a retentive kidney needs to leave a 60-minute line to use the bathroom, one of us will take her. And then get back into our place with her with the rest of our family. We are doing this the best we can, and want our kids to get as much out of it as possible. So I won't take my whole family out of the line and go as a family to the potty, for her, and then all start the line over again. I also won't punish her by making her and one of us ride separate from the rest of our family when we get back from the potty and are 20 minutes behind our family. Nobody seeing her will know she has issues. And we should be allowed our time at WDW too, making the accomodations we see as necessary (without abusing the place, of course.)

Also, what some think is lax parenting (not making 2yo's learn to wait in 45 mnute lines, etc.) others think of as a reasonable allowance. What some think of as necessary (making every kid stand in line at whatever age, under threat of whatever consequence...not riding, etc, which would probably go right over a 15 month old's head, btw) seems mean to some others. This is one of those differences that will always be there. Nobody is going to convince anyone else that their way is the ONLY good way, of course. So lets at least acknowledge the truth that some things are seen differently by different people.

Now, if big groups of just plain old CUTTERS try to nudge past me and mine in a line, I am one of those who sticks my pointy elbows out to each side and hogs the entire lane so nobody is squeezing by, lol. 30+ able-bodied teens are perfectly capable of waiting their turn, lol. I would have a hard time believing that every one of them had to use the restroom in an emergency, lol. I wish Disney would enforce the no-line-jumping rule, like our local huge amusement park does. I have seen them, many times, boot groups all the way back to the end of the line. Then everyone around cheers. Its pretty fun to watch, lol.

GRINS all around, all! We are all going to Disney, and we will all have a great time...in spite of things that will irk us!

 

[Jennasis]

Taximomfor4: Congratulations on finally being able to take your first familr trip to WDW! I see by your counter that it's nearly here. You must be so excited!

I totally agree with you (as I am sure the rest of my previous post explained) that it is totally not a problem IMO to take a child out of line for a bathroom break. It's fine to take an ADULT out for a bathroom break or drink run too. I'm hoping that the crowds won't be too unmanageable for you guys when you go. I've gone many times during March and April and always found it doable!

 

[Skroops]

I'd personally prefer over energized kids to wait elsewhere! They would be jumping around in line infront of us otherwise. What I do not like is the way people cut in ahead of others (not usually at rides, but at concession areas) and they do! Manners do not exist for some.