Does disney have rights to Harry Potter????

EUROPA,

Thanks for telling me so bluntly that I'm wrong. It's so nice to be wrong in something that's a matter of opinion and debate.

Oh by the way. Tokyo Disneyland is the most popular Disney park in the world. Why don't they just shut the rest of them down?

And why did Tokyo get the incredible Tokyo DisneySea and not America? Because Americans don't spend enough on toys and t-shirts according to Disney executives. Maybe Japan should get Harry Potter world!
 
Originally posted by wtg2000

And why did Tokyo get the incredible Tokyo DisneySea and not America? Because Americans don't spend enough on toys and t-shirts according to Disney executives. Maybe Japan should get Harry Potter world!

The reason that Tokyo got the "incredible" Disney Sea is because the Oriental Land Company was willing to pay for it and Disney was not.

The total investment in TDS will be 21 (billion) dollars. Disney's is only chipping in about 300 million but will "own" 43 percent of the park. That is why Tokyo got the Disney Sea and we get DCA and Spinners. I hope to god that Disney does not have theme park rights to HP because at this point in the companies history they are not willing to invest the money that it would take to do the books and movies any justice.
 
The total investment in TDS will be 21 (billion) dollars. Disney's is only chipping in about 300 million but will "own" 43 percent of the park.
I think you're confusing Tokyo with Hong Kong Disneyland that the Disney Company has an ownership stake in. Tokyo Disneyland is wholly owned by the Oriental Land Company and they pay Disney royalties (like a franchise).

And part of the reason that OLC were able to pay for Tokyo DisneySea is because the guests there spend more money than guests in the U.S.
 
Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are two products that could create amazing theme parks. Is there any idea for when/where these two products will show up in Orlando. I would think that each could in fact create their own theme park, but as part of Disney or Universal would be just as cool
 

Interesting that the theories here say that Disney could not have the rights because they have not announced it, and Universal has the rights because some employees (I don't know whether it has been confirmed they were real employees in position to know such things or not) came to this board and said it was so. So, if Disney employees came here and spilled their beans it would be just as true? I wonder why Universal has not announced it, and why their boss in Orlando has been quoted saying that Disney has Potter and they are *trying* to get Lord of the Rings. We should not believe those statements though, eh?

Kind of confusing logic being used at times here.
 
Originally posted by wtg2000
I think you're confusing Tokyo with Hong Kong Disneyland that the Disney Company has an ownership stake in. Tokyo Disneyland is wholly owned by the Oriental Land Company and they pay Disney royalties (like a franchise).

And part of the reason that OLC were able to pay for Tokyo DisneySea is because the guests there spend more money than guests in the U.S.

Yes you are correct I mixed the data on the two up when I was getting it from the net.

Really guest in Japan spend more money then US guest? Is there some sort of data backing this up...I'd love to see it.

Tekneek

Interesting that the theories here say that Disney could not have the rights because they have not announced it, and Universal has the rights because some employees (I don't know whether it has been confirmed they were real employees in position to know such things or not) came to this board and said it was so. So, if Disney employees came here and spilled their beans it would be just as true? I wonder why Universal has not announced it, and why their boss in Orlando has been quoted saying that Disney has Potter and they are *trying* to get Lord of the Rings. We should not believe those statements though, eh?

Kind of confusing logic being used at times here.

Seems you logic is confusing too. If Disney has the rights why have they not announced it like you wonder about Universal?

As far as the information coming from Universal employees I guess you missed the part of the thread were we talk about Jim Hill ( who is a pretty popular writer of all things Disney) said that Universal owns the theme park rights for HP and LOTR.

I think the main point is that at this time nobody knows and neither company is showing their cards.
 
Really guest in Japan spend more money then US guest? Is there some sort of data backing this up...I'd love to see it.
I doubt there's any data in circulation, unless you got a hold of Disney and OLC annual reports, if possible.

Tokyo Disneyland has groups called shop girls, and office ladies. Shop girls are single professional young women who live at home and have tons of disposal income. They go to TDL and drops mucho buckos on stuffed toys and souvenirs. The array of goods to buy at TDL is staggering. Office ladies come to TDL in gaggles and also love to shop. (interestingly, none of the Tokyo attractions empty into shops - they don't need to!) It's also I believe why OLC bought the Japanese Disney Stores. They are probably cash bonanzas.

The number of quality restaurants in the Tokyo parks is astounding. People come from the city after work to eat and shop. (TDL has starlight park passes).

Paul Pressler did say in an interview that guest spending and costs of construction (and maybe interest rates) were the reasons that Tokyo got a bigger and better park with Tokyo DisneySea than anything Stateside.
 
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Paul Pressler did say in an interview that guest spending and costs of construction (and maybe interest rates) were the reasons that Tokyo got a bigger and better park with Tokyo DisneySea than anything Stateside.
So let me get this right....

We're to blame that Disney's cutting corners?

Face it.

Tokyo got DisneySeas because someone else paid for it (the great Disney model). We got DCA because Disney had to pay for it.

If the parks were a division of the company that didn't have to kick up such a huge chunk of revenue to a mindless, directionless company they would be able to build a DisneySeas calibur park.

But hey....the big guy has to get his bonus.....right?
 
I found this over on Screamscape, which isn't always 100% reliable, but here it is just the same:

Disney News - (7/25/03) While this news is a bit unusual, it seems the head of Universal Orlando was having an open Q&A lunch session with his staff a few weeks ago when he was asked if Universal had any plans to pursue either the Harry Potter franchise or Lord of the Rings for possible future park projects. Bob Gault’s answer was that “Disney has Harry Potter wrapped up” and that Universal was instead checking into Lord of the Rings. This could be big news for the parks, though Disney did already buy the broadcast rights to the first Harry Potter film for ABC.

Also, when I was last at MGM Studios on Monday, July 7th, they were playing the Harry Potter soundtrack as ambiance music in the park. If memory serves we heard it while taking a break on a bench in the central area where they have the big Sorcerer Mickey hat.
 
In 2002, WDW magic kingdom passed Tokyo Magic Kingdom to be the #1 attended theme park in the world. TDS drew some visiters from TDL. Guests at the Tokyo resorts do spend more per capita than US guests, usually attributed to the tradition of buying small gifts (and the office ladies with disposable income).

I have been thinking about HP in wdw a bit. I agree with the poster that Hogwarts should be a resort, but I see only a small resort with a few hundered rooms. This is what I would do if I had the rights to it and wdw.

I would build a tunnel from MGM studios under the drive to the parking lot to that strip of land up there. I'd make HP land a land of MGM studios, not a new park. On the MGM side, guests could go up ramps to the train station and catch the hogwarts express, which crosses over the drive, simulating leaving out of London, and goes a circle route to Hogwarts. Or, guests can go under the station and into the tunnel, which transitions guests into the HP land. There could be a lot of theming and stuff in there for the transion. You come out of the tunnel and into Diagon Alley. This would be a full sized reproduction. On one side of the street is a merchandise store like Emporium - it looks like a lot of little different stores but it is all one big long connected one. The other side is really false fronts and facades, maybe some little things, but mostly hiding what is behind it, which will be the Gringott's ride. You'd take a turn and be in front of the bank. The cue would wind through the lobby of the bank - there could be animatronic goblins up there at the counters with "next window please" signs and stuff like that. You'd cue through the lobby all the way to the end. The ride would be an indooor mine train wild mouse, with walls like the dungeon and vaults between each turn and other props; you'd get to a big open vault and lots of treasure and animatronics at the end with some bounces and dips.

There would be a separate section for Hogsmeade; I'd have the bar here (think Rose and Crown, only a bit scruffier) and the ice cream place you take dates!! The main attraction would be a haunted mansion like dark ride through the shreaking shack.

But the main attraction is of course Hogwarts. There'd have to be the lake, and you could go over by boat or by horseless carriage (just make them always horseless and don't worry that they are really there). At the end of the lawn would be Hagrid's Shack which marks the entrance (fast pass distribution?) of the dark forest ride. This would be a test track like ride with the cars themed like the banged up flying car. The first scenes would be gentle - a unicorn drinking from a shining pool, etc - then get a little more suspensful - maybe the hint of giant...are those centaurs going to chase you? - then get frantic as you race away from the spiders! Until you come to an animatronic of a giant spider and a whole crazy mess of them, and the car speeds out and bursts out of the forest like the journey to the center of the earth car bursts out of the volcano, with a quick spin around the whomping willow maybe.

On the other side of Hogwarts would be the Quidditch field. Think about a soarin like ride. You get on the seat and it has a broom stick sticking out the front! And you are raised in front of an Imax screen and move in motion with the film...except this time you have on 3-d glasses and things like the quaffle and the bludgers fly out at you in 3-d! There could be some story along with it.

For Hogwarts, I'd make the upper floors the small boutique hotel, and I was thinking of the sorting hat, too. Basically you could make the whole resort what is considered "concierge" at other wdw resorts, and they could send you a questionnaire before hand and try their best to match you up, but you'd have to get sorted when you checked in. There would be a direct entrance to the lower floors of Hogwarts, and the park, from the upper floors for guests of the resort.

Downstairs I'd have the banquet hall - this could be like a character meal buffet, with some special effects like the ghosts and moving pictures.

Also downstairs, I'd have a dark ride, like a Hogwart's tour. I'd use the trackless vehicles like aquatopia or TDL pooh. You'd go through things like the classrooms - the defense against the dark arts room might have a bunch of pixies loose! Then you might go through the green house. You might go up to the upper floors and find the door to the sorcerer's stone, the vehicles could go all over the chess board, moving and spinning! And then back out, maybe into moaning myrtle's bathroom - there could be squirting water that just misses you always. And down into the chamber of secrets, riding through those scenes and the hint of an animatronic basilisk before you narrowly escape!! Those sorts of things - think about the pooh like vehicles just magically zipping through those sets spinning around and so on.

Of course, outside, you could also have a big hedge maze for the tri-wizard cup!

I don't think I'd even try for places like the ministry of magic or the Weasley's or Dursley's houses; I think if you had Hogsmeade and Hogwarts you'd have most of the big interest. You could even have a 20K leagues sort of ride "down into the lake" to check out the mer-folk. You could do a lot. You could even, for the little ones, have the "Hogsmeade Fair" going on, with some carnival like rides and stuff.
 
I have no idea if this is possible, but could a roller coaster be created that could simulate flying a Firebolt (which could be the name of the coaster). I remember a ride over at Six Flags Great Adventure with little more than a Bike seat and harness. Also, why not a ride using Azkaban Prison, "Help Sirius Black escape Dementors and flee Azkaban. I totally agree with a Gringots ride, and you can also use the Dept. of Mysteries. The fact is the world Rowling created is almost ready made for a theme park. These are only a few of the ideas I have had, and I am just a High School teacher!!

anyone else has ideas for rides, in this "new" park
 
Yeah, I like the idea of the firebolt coaster. I think a soarin type thing would be cool too though, especially if it was 3-d
 
I'm not sure of the signficance of Harry Potter music at D-MGM. I've heard everything from Superman (Warners) to E.T. (Universal) blaring over the speakers. Maybe it's John Williams greatest hits part 2. :)
 
d-r...your ideas sound fantastic!!! My Dd12 has read all of the HP books and loved your dream HP park!!! The movie sets are so gorgeous, it would be great to WALK through all of them in person!
 
Originally posted by EUROPA
Seems you logic is confusing too. If Disney has the rights why have they not announced it like you wonder about Universal?

No, my logic was spot on.

The theory was that there is no way Disney has the rights because they have not talked about it.

Universal therefore has the rights, even though they have not talked about it.

I don't know a whole lot about Jim Hill, but I am fairly certain that he does not always get it right.

If I had to guess, I would say neither of them have the rights for it. However, it should not surprise anyone if we find out the rights are held by one or the other and are contractually bound to not say anything about it. JK Rowling does like these kinds of clauses and the plan may mean this is kept quiet until her own precise moment.
 
Thanks Lacemouse - you are my witness now if anybody ever opens one i am going to sue them ;)
 
I would tend to agree with Tekneek, I think there is a gag clause in the contract, and we will hear about it when it is "apropriate" according to JKR.

:bounce:
 
Originally posted by Tekneek
No, my logic was spot on.

The theory was that there is no way Disney has the rights because they have not talked about it.

Universal therefore has the rights, even though they have not talked about it.

I don't know a whole lot about Jim Hill, but I am fairly certain that he does not always get it right.



Please point me to where that theory was presented.

If you don't know a lot about Jim Hill prehapes you should not talk as if you do...and say that your certain that he does not always get it right.
 
When I say I do not know a lot, I mean I do not know the man and have not studied his entire life. I have read what he writes about Disney and such, and while he has some good scoops, and loves Disney, his information is not always 100% accurate. Are you saying it is?
 
Is it possible that the theme park right will be separate from the film rights, meaning that an attraction could not be based on the movies - not use the actors' likenesses or concepts, sets, music or drawings from the films?
 

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