Does anyone think that maybe Michael Jackson was murdered?

[teacups]

Anyone who calls him that is just weak minded and engaged in mob mentality. Some of us choose to look deeper.

 

[tinatark]

About him being dead for hours before the doctor called anyone - there are physical changes that occur in a body after death - those would have been noticed either by EMT's or ER personnel if he had been dead for several hours when he was brought in. Maybe this is part of the investigation - but surely we would have "heard" if it were.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

About him being dead for hours before the doctor called anyone - there are physical changes that occur in a body after death - those would have been noticed either by EMT's or ER personnel if he had been dead for several hours when he was brought in. Maybe this is part of the investigation - but surely we would have "heard" if it were.

It's being reported repeatedly that it appears he was dead before the paramedics arrived. That's why they wanted to call it at the house but the doctor insisted on MJ being taken to the hospital. The paramedics saw no sign of life at all.

 

[Aisling]

His heart was fine. That was ruled out with the autopsy. That's why they couldn't state a cause of death until toxicology reports were available.

I just heard on the radio news that another doctor has come forward to say that MJ asked him a few months ago for that anesthesia drug, and the dr said no. That makes me wonder...if the dr who was with him when he died was only MJs personal physician for a few months, and if MJ had been using the anesthesia (I forget the name) for 2 years, there has to be other doctors involved who had been "putting him under" during that time. This is going to be a BIG investigation, and I'd bet a lot of drs are shaking in their shoes right now.

Also, about his heart, the news just said "that's what caused the fatal heart attack". So it was a heart attack that killed him.

One more thing I heard, Katherine's lawyers are battling the 2 executors MJ chose for his estate. She believes they're in cahoots keeping some "information" from her, but what??

 

[teacups]

I just heard on the radio news that another doctor has come forward to say that MJ asked him a few months ago for that anesthesia drug, and the dr said no. That makes me wonder...if the dr who was with him when he died was only MJs personal physician for a few months, and if MJ had been using the anesthesia (I forget the name) for 2 years, there has to be other doctors involved who had been "putting him under" during that time. This is going to be a BIG investigation, and I'd bet a lot of drs are shaking in their shoes right now. Yea, I heard 12 or 20 (?) other docs. Sorry, I cant recall which.
Also, about his heart, the news just said "that's what caused the fatal heart attack". So it was a heart attack that killed him. Yep, thats right. His heart stopped, but no heart disease.
One more thing I heard, Katherine's lawyers are battling the 2 executors MJ chose for his estate. She believes they're in cahoots keeping some "information" from her, but what?? She and the three kids are the only ones getting anything right? So whats to argue about? I bet there is something though!! Something just isnt right with this entire tragedy.

I wonder if this will actually shake things up in Hollywood (I use that term to describe this lifestyle I guess) with the way doctors and can be bought. I hope so.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

I wonder if this will actually shake things up in Hollywood (I use that term to describe this lifestyle I guess) with the way doctors and can be bought. I hope so.

It's a shame it took MJ's death to do this but I hope it does make these doctors think. I thought Anna Nicole Smith's death might have made them think but obviously it didn't.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

Also, about his heart, the news just said "that's what caused the fatal heart attack". So it was a heart attack that killed him.

Really?? The coroner said before that his heart was fine and there was no sign of a heart attack. That's why more tests were needed. I wonder if they misspoke and meant to say cardiac arrest which is different?? I just got home not long ago so I haven't had the news on all day.

 

[Aisling]

It's a shame it took MJ's death to do this but I hope it does make these doctors think. I thought Anna Nicole Smith's death might have made them think but obviously it didn't.

I also hope this gives families the push they need to intervene when a loved one is hooked on drugs.

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

the more they put out on the news, the more it sounds like "sucide by doctor"

and the hollywood set are not going to change one bit, because they are too self centered to even believe that their lives are in danger from self medication or recreational drugs. they are too used to just hiring someone to get what they want with large amounts of cash. (sound familer?)

thats the reality of it.

and thats whay a lot of the "Stars" have managed to terminate their lives through drug abuse.

we will hear endless discussions about making changes...

until the next one drops dead, then it starts all over again.

 

[Aisling]

tmz.com
Jackson Spent Last Hours in Doctor's Bed
Posted Jul 31st 2009 6:00PM by TMZ Staff

The reports that Michael Jackson spent the last night in his bedroom are not true -- we've learned Jackson spent his last hours in Dr. Conrad Murray's bedroom ... in Dr. Murray's bed.

Multiple law enforcement sources tell us Jackson did not want people going in and out of his room, so he used Dr. Murray's bedroom for his IV Propofol. We're told Dr. Murray administered the Propofol to Jackson hours before he died, while the singer lay in Murray's bed.

Law enforcement believes Dr. Murray may have been using his room almost nightly to administer Propofol to Jackson. Emergency workers found an IV stand, an empty IV bag and oxygen tanks in Dr. Murray's room. And as we first reported, the Monday after Jackson died, cops found a stash of Propofol and other drugs hidden in a closet connected to Dr. Murray's room.

We've already reported Dr. Murray left the room at some point when Jackson was receiving an IV drip of Propofol and may have fallen asleep. Cops believe by the time he awakened Jackson's heart may have already stopped beating.

We're told Dr. Murray was not in Jackson's house during the day. He would show up in the evening and leave in the morning. Law enforcement believes the doctor may have regularly gone to Jackson's home at night to administer Propofol so the singer could sleep.

Law enforcement believes Dr. Murray could have discovered Jackson sometime around 9 AM the day of his death. One theory cops are working under ... after discovering Jackson either in distress or dead, Dr. Murray called two employees at his medical office in Houston and told them to go to his storage unit and remove certain boxes. Both women told TMZ Dr. Murray did not call them but cops are dubious. The stories of the two women conflict -- one says a box of dirty needles was retrieved; the other says she went to retrieve a chair.

As for what may have been in the boxes, law enforcement is investigating whether Dr. Murray had Propofol delivered to his Houston medical office ... possibly put in his storage unit ... and then FedEx'd to Los Angeles as needed.

Dr. Murray rented the storage unit April 1 and the staff went back on 4 different occasions before Jackson's death.

We know when the DEA raided Dr. Murray's Houston medical office, they seized a rolodex card with FedEx information.

There are a few more interesting articles on tmz...the nurses speak on a video link.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

Also, about his heart, the news just said "that's what caused the fatal heart attack". So it was a heart attack that killed him.

I watched the news tonight and I never heard the term "heart attack" used. I think they must have misspoken and meant "cardiac arrest". The coroner did say his heart was working fine. There doesn't seem to be anything really new today. The weekends seem to be a little lean lately on the MJ news. Guess we will have to wait til Monday unless something major comes up.

 

[teacups]

I used to like this song... now I cant like it. I try but just cant.

Smile, though your heart is aching
Smile, even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by...

If you smile
With your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just...

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just...

Smile, though your heart is aching
Smile, even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by...

If you smile
Through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile...

That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile

Not there yet..........

 

[redrosesix]

Really?? The coroner said before that his heart was fine and there was no sign of a heart attack. That's why more tests were needed. I wonder if they misspoke and meant to say cardiac arrest which is different?? I just got home not long ago so I haven't had the news on all day.

I think news shows oversimplify thing to the point of making factual errors just to keep things short.

You're right -- the coroner ruled out natural causes, including heart attack. A heart attack can cause cardiac arrest, but cardiac arrest can be caused by many things.

 

[teacups]

Katherine Jackson named children’s guardian
Singer’s former dermatologist raises nonspecific objections

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32270692/ns/entertainment-music/?GT1=43001

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I used to like this song... now I cant like it. I try but just cant.

Smile, though your heart is aching
Smile, even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by...

If you smile
With your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just...

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just...

Smile, though your heart is aching
Smile, even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by...

If you smile
Through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile...

That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile

Not there yet..........

Really? I love this song. It totally describes him to a "t".
It makes me so sad to listen to it, but it is beautiful.

 

[teacups]

Really? I love this song. It totally describes him to a "t".
It makes me so sad to listen to it, but it is beautiful.

It is beautiful. But I cant listen to it now. Its too sad. I can only listen to about half of it before I have to change it.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

It's been quiet this week so far. I was hoping they were close to bringing charges against Dr. Murray. So much other stuff has gone on this week that I think that might be the reason it's been quiet on the MJ front.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I am just anxious for either any DNA evidence for Michael, his love child, and his children.
I am also wanting to see the toxicology report. I am praying it is clear.

It is so sad how in his song 'Morphine' he talks about taking Demoral, the side effects and all. About wanting it twice as much as the day before.

 

[goin2disneyagain]

I don't remember that song. I just looked up the lyrics. I need to find it on Itunes so I can hear a clip of it. I wish the toxicology results would come back clean except for the Propofol so it would be easier to hold Dr. Murray responsible. If there are other drugs in MJ's system that may complicate things. I don't believe the whole love child thing. The kid says he and MJ were just friends and he's not his dad. If he was MJ's kid I think he would have been named in the will too and he wasn't. The other 3 kids were all named and MJ said he had no other children and he already knew this kid at the time the will was written so he would have mentioned him if he was really his kid. I don't believe Joe Jackson, he doesn't know what's going on.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

I don't remember that song. I just looked up the lyrics. I need to find it on Itunes so I can hear a clip of it. I wish the toxicology results would come back clean except for the Propofol so it would be easier to hold Dr. Murray responsible. If there are other drugs in MJ's system that may complicate things. I don't believe the whole love child thing. The kid says he and MJ were just friends and he's not his dad. If he was MJ's kid I think he would have been named in the will too and he wasn't. The other 3 kids were all named and MJ said he had no other children and he already knew this kid at the time the will was written so he would have mentioned him if he was really his kid. I don't believe Joe Jackson, he doesn't know what's going on.

I agree with you, I think the "love child" is a bunch of B-O-L-O-G-N-A. But I want something final to come out (evidence) to clear the public's misconceptions. The same thing with Michael's children, I am tired of hearing they aren't his. I would also like to know if it was REALLY Michael who died.

I think he would have mentioned him in the will too