Does anyone have a mean mother or father?

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I was wondering if anyone had a mean or narcissistic parent. My mother has been very mean to me since I was a child. She used to say things that hurt my feelings and when I told her they did she used to say "you don't have any feelings to hurt." When I talk to her about something important she changes the subject on me. After 8 years of marriage, my (then) husband and I finally got pregnant and when we told my mom, she changed the subject. I didn't get a hug or kiss or anything. She was watching America's Funniest Home videos and she turned to the TV (after our announcement) and started laughing.

Recently I became a born-again Christian and my mom threw every curse at me. Saying that I was making a huge mistake and that I was brain-washed.

If I try to bring up some important financial matter that she needs to know about, she will get mad and insult me.

I have learned to respond to my mother calmly and respectfully. Everything that I do is a dissappointment to her to the pressure is off me to please her. I just try to be compassionate and listen to her concerns.

Wanted to know other pepole's experiences with parents who work against their children.
 
:grouphug: I can relate. It sounds like you have a mature, reasonable reaction to your mom.
 
I was wondering if anyone had a mean or narcissistic parent. My mother has been very mean to me since I was a child. She used to say things that hurt my feelings and when I told her they did she used to say "you don't have any feelings to hurt." When I talk to her about something important she changes the subject on me. After 8 years of marriage, my (then) husband and I finally got pregnant and when we told my mom, she changed the subject. I didn't get a hug or kiss or anything. She was watching America's Funniest Home videos and she turned to the TV (after our announcement) and started laughing.

Recently I became a born-again Christian and my mom threw every curse at me. Saying that I was making a huge mistake and that I was brain-washed.

If I try to bring up some important financial matter that she needs to know about, she will get mad and insult me.

I have learned to respond to my mother calmly and respectfully. Everything that I do is a dissappointment to her to the pressure is off me to please her. I just try to be compassionate and listen to her concerns.

Wanted to know other pepole's experiences with parents who work against their children.

My mom was a great mom until I was about 10 years old. She turned into a verbally, mentally and physically abusive woman. She did and said a lot of things that I cannot erase from my mind. However, I forgave her a long time ago. She's nearly 80 years old, and she cannot remember what she did this morning let alone what she did when I was a child. At this point, she's almost a child herself. And the tasks I have to do for her, well luckily, for her, I show her the love and compassion that I wished I had received as a child. Forgiving her was easy once I made my mind up to do it. Forgetting is the harder part.

I know some will say to just cut her out of your life because she's "toxic". I did that for a couple of years, but it's your mom. It's easier said than done. Good luck with your mom. :hug:
 
I was wondering if anyone had a mean or narcissistic parent. My mother has been very mean to me since I was a child. She used to say things that hurt my feelings and when I told her they did she used to say "you don't have any feelings to hurt." When I talk to her about something important she changes the subject on me. After 8 years of marriage, my (then) husband and I finally got pregnant and when we told my mom, she changed the subject. I didn't get a hug or kiss or anything. She was watching America's Funniest Home videos and she turned to the TV (after our announcement) and started laughing.

Recently I became a born-again Christian and my mom threw every curse at me. Saying that I was making a huge mistake and that I was brain-washed.

If I try to bring up some important financial matter that she needs to know about, she will get mad and insult me.

I have learned to respond to my mother calmly and respectfully. Everything that I do is a dissappointment to her to the pressure is off me to please her. I just try to be compassionate and listen to her concerns.

Wanted to know other pepole's experiences with parents who work against their children.

I would not call them "mean" more like "hands off" and we had to "parent them". They are still the same. Always in financial trouble.:rolleyes1

A bit of advice for you. Do not discuss finances, religion, your marriage, or anything else with your mother. That is like setting yourself up for a beating.

Keep it light like the weather and about her. Leave yourself out of it. That is probably the best gift you can give yourself.:hug:
 

I don't have any advice but I am so sorry that you are going through this with your mom. It shouldn't be that way. :hug:
 
I have a mean mom, when I called her to tell her I didnt get into my first choice school, she told me I would be a terrible nurse and should not bother. WHen I broke up with a boyfriend of five years, she told me it was because I got too fat (and BTW back then I was not fat! l am now) and no one could stand to look at me. She is the "kick you when you are down" kind of person. ANd she knows exactly what to say to make me cry. I have no idea why it took me until I was thrity to realize she was a toxic person. It took my best friend's mom pointing out all the mean things she said to me growing up.
 
MM is right,

I can totally agree with the way you say you want to handle dealing with your mother: non-confontational, non-emotional, etc... ( DO NOT ENGAGE - talk about 'the weather.) This is the recommended mode of operation with narcisistic or abusive parents/relatives.

However, I think you need to realize that finances, religion, etc.. should never be discussed with her, period. You might want to look at your reasons happening to discuss these things with her, at all.

I do know a lot about Narcissism (the true neurological narcissistic disorder) It is very very evident in my husbands parents... (and I can see it in my husband himself) This is a neurological condition (not just psychological) which can not be treated and will never improve.

:grouphug:
 
NY Disney fan, :hug: I am so sorry that you have experienced this lifelong relationship with your mother. I think glitterkittyy's post is so profound!

(hugs to you glitterkittyy and wow for the way you have taken care of your mother and treated her the way you wished to be treated as a child...brings tears to my eyes for how strong you are to do that!)

Use your faith to help you know the things to say and ways to approach your mother. Try to embrace forgiveness and stay balanced yourself so you can learn to be patient with her.

Know that you are not alone, I have lots of friends with this type of relationship with their mothers. They get counseling, lots and lots of counseling. A mother/child relationship is complex, especially mother/daughter and it can affect so many aspects of your life, and it's ok to get some help working through it.

:hug::hug:to you!
 
I'm sorry you have to go through that..I can totally relate ..when i got in college my mom words were "I didn't go to college and I had your father" what that means I don't really know but I told her she could go if she wanted no one was stopping her...

Just the other day I was showing her some pics from when my 2 brothers and I were very young with grandpa about 5 years or so before my sis was born ..the first thing she said was "where is ___" my sis....ummm hello do you not know when she was born????


anyway I agree stop talking to her about the important things in your life save those for someone that will be there for you...my dh is the person I mainly go to..but I also have friends that I talk to as well ...and honestly my mom doesn't miss anything since she doesn't really get it any away..just like on my sis b-day my mil set up her christmas at a rental cabin..we didn't realize this till it was too late so i just told her that if they wanted to have a b-day party for her it would be around my already made plans ..my mom has a thing for my sis and the rest of feel she is an only child ...

please find someone that you can go to for those types of things and only talk to her as someone in your life not as a mom or best friend and I think it will help you a lot...good luck :goodvibes:hug:
 
Based on a statement in this thread, I just wanted to throw this in the mix.

Forgiving does not mean forgetting the injury done to you, nor does it mean condoning it. It doesn't mean you must trust the person you've forgiven.

Forgiving simply releases the power of the memories of the hurt, so that those memories can no longer hurt you. It removes the power of the person who hurt you, from ever being able to hurt you again with memories of those hurts.

So forgive, yes? For your own psychological health. Forget? Not such a great idea. Often the injury is such that to forget, or trust the person again puts you right back in line to be hurt again. Depending on the nature of the actions that cause hurt, this can be downright dangerous.

Take care all!
 
Based on a statement in this thread, I just wanted to throw this in the mix.

Forgiving does not mean forgetting the injury done to you, nor does it mean condoning it. It doesn't mean you must trust the person you've forgiven.

Forgiving simply releases the power of the memories of the hurt, so that those memories can no longer hurt you. It removes the power of the person who hurt you, from ever being able to hurt you again with memories of those hurts.

So forgive, yes? For your own psychological health. Forget? Not such a great idea. Often the injury is such that to forget, or trust the person again puts you right back in line to be hurt again. Depending on the nature of the actions that cause hurt, this can be downright dangerous.

Take care all!

I look at it as acceptance rather than forgiveness. You accept that your parent is who they are, what they have done, etc and you act accordingly.

If they did heinous things to you then you cut them off. If they are mean and you still want to be connected or have to be connected you adjust with your behavior.

For me, this is what works and helps me to have a happy life.
 
A bit of advice for you. Do not discuss finances, religion, your marriage, or anything else with your mother. That is like setting yourself up for a beating.

Keep it light like the weather and about her. Leave yourself out of it. That is probably the best gift you can give yourself.:hug:

Thank you all so much and this is great advice. My mother likes to "engage" or set me off. I'll take a page out of her book and change the subject when she does this. I would love to be close to my mom, but I just can't. But I do love her very much.
 
I look at it as acceptance rather than forgiveness. You accept that your parent is who they are, what they have done, etc and you act accordingly.

If they did heinous things to you then you cut them off. If they are mean and you still want to be connected or have to be connected you adjust with your behavior.

For me, this is what works and helps me to have a happy life.

That's a good way of looking at things. I know my mom is how she is, but she is different now than when she was "mean".

For me, the "forget" part is to say that I do not wish to dwell on the things that were done. I am not a victim; I'm a survivor, and I choose to not focus on the bad. So I forgave, and I *try* to forget or at least not remember so vividly. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but it makes sense to me.

NY Disney fan, :hug: I am so sorry that you have experienced this lifelong relationship with your mother. I think glitterkittyy's post is so profound!

(hugs to you glitterkittyy and wow for the way you have taken care of your mother and treated her the way you wished to be treated as a child...brings tears to my eyes for how strong you are to do that!)

Thanks very much for your post. It took me a long time to get to the point of forgiveness, though, so I'm not sure I'm entirely worthy of your sentiments. But I thank you very much for your post of support.
 
I have a mean mom, when I called her to tell her I didnt get into my first choice school, she told me I would be a terrible nurse and should not bother. WHen I broke up with a boyfriend of five years, she told me it was because I got too fat (and BTW back then I was not fat! l am now) and no one could stand to look at me. She is the "kick you when you are down" kind of person. ANd she knows exactly what to say to make me cry. I have no idea why it took me until I was thrity to realize she was a toxic person. It took my best friend's mom pointing out all the mean things she said to me growing up.

Wow. I can totally relate to this. I'm so sorry you went through this. :grouphug:
 
Based on a statement in this thread, I just wanted to throw this in the mix.

Forgiving does not mean forgetting the injury done to you, nor does it mean condoning it. It doesn't mean you must trust the person you've forgiven.

Forgiving simply releases the power of the memories of the hurt, so that those memories can no longer hurt you. It removes the power of the person who hurt you, from ever being able to hurt you again with memories of those hurts.

So forgive, yes? For your own psychological health. Forget? Not such a great idea. Often the injury is such that to forget, or trust the person again puts you right back in line to be hurt again. Depending on the nature of the actions that cause hurt, this can be downright dangerous.

I very much agree with this, and forgiveness means many things to different people. Like others have said, sometimes it's just a matter of acceptance of how things are, making peace with it.
Part of forgiveness in my mind is trying to understand the WHY of the dynamics in relationships. Many times mothers become mothers with many issues of their own and the relationship we seek, we want, we long for just can't be because they are not capable of it.
Then it can become a "I don't love you for what you do, I love you because you are my mother."
 
Whenever I read posts like the OP's, I think of the movie Parenthood - Keanu Reeve's character made a statement that really rings SO true:

You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any [deleted un-dis language] be a father.

I'm so sorry your mom does this to you. I can honestly tell you that I can relate to your experiences. My best advice to you (and advice I've been following for the past few years) is this: you're going to have to accept the fact that there are going to be things you can't share with your mom. For whatever reason, she treats you poorly. Why put yourself through this? If you have good news to share, share it with someone who can share your joy, not ruin it. :hug:


Kim
 
Yes. My father is something of a horrible person. My DH's mother was very bad to him, but has never done anything since I've met her to make me dislike her. However, my father has not changed one iota from when I was a girl. He is mentally, verbally and physically abusive. My mother insists he's better now. I don't see it or believe it. I have serious concerns about ever leaving a child in his care without supervision. I have serious concerns about leaving a child in my mom's care knowing how she enabled him all throughout my youth.

I worry that when I do have children I may have to refuse to allow them to have a close relationship with their grandparents.
 
Lord, Yes. Contrary to popular myth, motherhood does not automatically make you a nurturing person. My mother's favorite phrase was "Get tough with yourself" -- it was her all-purpose reply to any child seeking any kind of comfort or praise. In her defense, she really and truly thought that treating children that way was a good strategy for raising a self-sufficient and strong person. She wasn't normally petty or spiteful, but she deliberately withheld all warmth and praise when it came to kids. She got the idea from her own mother, who was exactly the same way.

My parents actually used to fight over this issue, because my father was a very physically affectionate person who was just reflexively great with kids. Every time she caught him giving any of us a hug, letting us cry on his shoulder, or congratulating us for a job well done, she would start ranting about how badly he was going to ruin us for life.
 
my mom should NOT have been a mother. End of story. She's fine now, because i'm an adult and we have an adult relationship, but my life was hell until she kicked me out when i was 16. We didn't really have a relationship again until i was probably 19 or so.

i don't want to have kids, for a multitude of reasons, one of them being that i fear that i would do to them what she did to me.
 
I look at it as acceptance rather than forgiveness. You accept that your parent is who they are, what they have done, etc and you act accordingly.

If they did heinous things to you then you cut them off. If they are mean and you still want to be connected or have to be connected you adjust with your behavior.

I like that.

DH's mom was and is mean. DH's dad was mean and abusive.

DH managed to get a bit of an apology from FIL as FIL was in his last illness.

DH's mom is still in denial, even though she knows that it is her behaviour that causes us to almost never (only once) leave DS with her alone.

DH's mom pretty much singlehandedly caused DH's initial weight problem. He was a normal sized baby, then she started forcefeeding him meat at only weeks old (to tell the full story, that was b/c she didn't understand weeks vs months, and thought she was following the MD's suggestions, while putting her own brain on hold). She would have her oldest son (who had been raised to 9 years old by his grandmother while MIL worked) give him a BIG bottle of *water* while MIL slept. Confused his body's hunger signals. Then she'd heap his plate full of food, insist it was all eaten, NOT allow him to run and jump and play like a normal little kid, and then get on his case when he gained weight. That went on for years and years. And somehow she's surprised that his metabolism is messed up, and that he has deep emotional issues with food.

She's mean about everything else, too. Any hard work he does and accomplishments he achieves...those are thanks to Buddha, and now his dad (she somehow forgets that she believes in reincarnation and therefore FIL is someone/something else now), and aren't we glad she's praying for us. It's not because HE worked hard. If he loses weight, I get the kudos for "controlling" him. But if he gains, or gets laid off, those are all on his shoulders, HIS fault.

I don't know why he's still in her life. If it were solely up to me, we'd be a world apart (if he could telecommute from Fiji).

But she knows that if she gets on his case in front of DS, they will leave immediately. If she ever gets on DS's case, that will be the END.

Oh, with DS, he's trim like me and my brother were (and my brother still is, and how I'm working to get back to). DS is also strong and muscular, like DH is underneath. Whenever MIL comments on DS's physique, she skips past me or DH, and says that my BROTHER's physique passed on to DS. Someday I'm going to bring in kid pictures of me. Heck, all the way up to 30 I was in great shape! And we can see DH's sturdy little boy shape in DS, just without the full plates of force-fed food piled on top. She's driving me batty. And the kicker is...my trim and slim marathon running brother? Was a chubby kid! All the way up to his sophomore year in HS he was a little bulkier than perhaps he wanted to be. And then he grew into himself.

That got WAY longer than it should have been. MIL is driving me batty. And I'm the one that gets to help her from afar (I almost never visit her, while sending DH and DS up to her), dealing with insurance and such for her.

Thank you all so much and this is great advice. My mother likes to "engage" or set me off. I'll take a page out of her book and change the subject when she does this. I would love to be close to my mom, but I just can't. But I do love her very much.

Changing the subject works with MIL.

My own dad, who is never mean *to me*, acts his best when I actually call him on things. He is dead to my brother and he knows it. His other two sons only stay around to protect their sister and their mom, but hate him and he knows it. Who knows what his second daughter is going to do when she's of age. I'm the last one, and the only one with a kid.

We visited once and he started flipping out about my stepmom, calling her ugly names. I wasn't subtle, I told DH to take DS out, and flat out told my dad he was NOT to speak like that in front of DS EVER. And that if he really felt that way about his wife, he should leave (he won't, she's the money-maker, and they have some weird convoluted relationship and have been married for 30 years or so now).

Subtlety doesn't work with him. Being straight up and clear with him does.

But if you're worried she might have fun with that, really engage in an argument with you if you do that, do NOT do that. I'm detached from my dad, and could turn my back on him in an instant; I keep a relationship because he has potential to be a good man and because I like his family (though they would rally around me if I ended the relationship with him, like they rallied around my mom when she booted him).



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