Do you think that the VGF and the Poly might share 11 month booking windows?

[dsnydaddy]

I'm just throwing it out there. I don't think its been discussed here, but it occurred to me that VGF has few studios and a lot of buyers who only can afford studios, whereas the Poly will have a lot of studios but will need to appeal to high-end buyers and it has precious few deluxe accommodations. By allowing owners to cross the resort lines at 11 months they will become much more attractive and Disney may be able ask for and get that $180 per point that has been bandied about. What do you think?

 

[RobDoc]

A change could not be made without changing the POS documents where owners are guaranteed at least a one month Home Resort Reservation Priority. That is now (and has always been) a 4 month advantage, but could be reduced to 1 month which would apply to all DVC owners.

In addition, DVD is far more interested in selling Poly contracts to current members than basically interchanging ownership for owners at 2 resorts. Doing what you suggest would essentially remove potential Poly purchases from those who already own GFV.

Not gonna happen.

 

[chalee94]

VGFPV? (villas at the grand floridian and polynesian village?)

it's not *completely* impossible but 99.9% won't happen IMO.

i just don't think it's that much of a problem overall.

 

[DebbieB]

I'm just throwing it out there. I don't think its been discussed here, but it occurred to me that VGF has few studios and a lot of buyers who only can afford studios, whereas the Poly will have a lot of studios but will need to appeal to high-end buyers and it has precious few deluxe accommodations. By allowing owners to cross the resort lines at 11 months they will become much more attractive and Disney may be able ask for and get that $180 per point that has been bandied about. What do you think?

The contract requires at least a 1 month home resort priority. It would not be fair to people who already bought to have the rules change.

 

[chalee94]

The contract requires at least a 1 month home resort priority. It would not be fair to people who already bought to have the rules change.

the OP is suggesting something more like AKV-kidani after jambo house, where the poly would be structured as an extension of the VGF (maybe the "grand floridian villas at polynesian village"). it's a bit ridiculous conceptually since the theming will be significantly different but interesting for discussion...

 

[jerseyduke]

Yes, it would have to be an extension of the Grand Floridian, like GF at the Poly, which means it would also have to be sold at the same price as the VGF points at the time.

1. It will not make Disney any money.

2. It may anger current owners. Think of all those points that the Poly will sell competing for the limited space at the current VGF building, where people bought because the want to stay at GF. It would make it next to impossible to get into the VGF building. I love the Poly, but if i was a GF die hard, and bought there and now even had more trouble getting into it????

Disney may not be overly concerned with making existing members happy...but they sure do not want to piss people off.

IE - Not going to happen.

I suppose, and I would like others to chime in here, that Disney could legally give current VGF owners 11 months at the POLY, IF it is in the POS. (Not saying they would, just curious as to if they could)

 

[chalee94]

Disney may not be overly concerned with making existing members happy...but they sure do not want to piss people off.

eh...in my 7-8 years or so on the board, i've seen several moves that have really upset the membership. it gets shrugged off faster than you think...

I suppose, and I would like others to chime in here, that Disney could legally give current VGF owners 11 months at the POLY, IF it is in the POS. (Not saying they would, just curious as to if they could)

from what i understand, they would have to make the VGF/poly buildings into one resort.

 

[DebbieB]

What about the bungalows? One of the selling points for Poly is going to be 11 month window for the bungalows. Why would they also give that right to VGF owners?

 

[wdrl]

Disney has already established and received a license for Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows Condominium Association. PVB will be a separate resort.

Personally, I see a huge downside for existing VGF members if VGF had to share its Home Resort booking window with PVB owners. Sure, it gives VGF owners access to more studios which are located at the Poly. But it also increases exponentially the competition for the few VGF studios. VGF studios are already hard to book and a marriage between these to DVC resorts will make them only harder to get. And keep in mind there are VGF owners who bought at VGF because they actually prefer to stay at the Grand Floridian.

 

[RobDoc]

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I suppose, and I would like others to chime in here, that Disney could legally give current VGF owners 11 months at the POLY, IF it is in the POS. (Not saying they would, just curious as to if they could)

To do so would require redoing all of the current contracts for owners at VGF to include the Poly as a component of VGF. Again, owners at each DVC Resort are guaranteed at least a 1 month Reservation Priority before owners at other resorts may use their non-Home points for reservations and that Priority is and always been 4 months.

In order to modify that guarantee (which is defined in the POS), they would need to legally combine two resorts (GFV/PVB) or legally change the POS for ALL DVC OWNERS since the Reservation Priority is a component of the DVC membership. They cannot even remove GFV (or any other DVC Resort) from DVC as that is also guaranteed in the POS (short of some natural disaster destroying a resort).

 

[jerseyduke]

Disney has already established and received a license for Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows Condominium Association. PVB will be a separate resort.

Personally, I see a huge downside for existing VGF members if VGF had to share its Home Resort booking window with PVB owners. Sure, it gives VGF owners access to more studios which are located at the Poly. But it also increases exponentially the competition for the few VGF studios. VGF studios are already hard to book and a marriage between these to DVC resorts will make them only harder to get. And keep in mind there are VGF owners who bought at VGF because they actually prefer to stay at the Grand Floridian.

EXACTLY!

Charlee: I am sure there were things that upset membership, and maybe we have different perspectives here, but for those who bought VGF for VGF, I would think the further competition would be maddening beyond recovering!

Customer satisfaction is never 100%. I am sure things get shrugged off all the time. Depends on how significant they are. People are already dissatisfied with VGF. I am upset with how hard it is to book when I want to go, but I am flexible and have options, so I can still make it work.

Who knows.

I am interested in seeing what happens to VGF contacts and resale. So many are mad about how hard it is to book...i wonder if the supply is going to continue to rise....

 

[chalee94]

Disney has already established and received a license for Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows Condominium Association. PVB will be a separate resort.

well, there you go. it's settled, so it's not even fun for discussion now...

Charlee: I am sure there were things that upset membership, and maybe we have different perspectives here, but for those who bought VGF for VGF, I would think the further competition would be maddening beyond recovering!

some people do sell, but generally, people put up with the changes and the new people don't know anything different.

i try to remind potential new buyers that there can be an element of competition to DVC. a points system is flexible and works perfectly if demand is ideal (if people are equally as happy to stay in a studio as a 2BR, or in january as in july). but demand is never ideal so if 30% of buyers want to go in early december, or 20% of AKV buyers want to stay in value studios, or 50% of SSR owners expect to stay at BCV or BLT at the 7 month window, disappointment will be an issue as room supply is limited.

so i agree about VGF resale: if too many people bought into VGF to stay in studios, eventually that imbalance will work itself out...

 

[jerseyduke]

well, there you go. it's settled, so it's not even fun for discussion now...





some people do sell, but generally, people put up with the changes and the new people don't know anything different.

i try to remind potential new buyers that there can be an element of competition to DVC. a points system is flexible and works perfectly if demand is ideal (if people are equally as happy to stay in a studio as a 2BR, or in january as in july). but demand is never ideal so if 30% of buyers want to go in early december, or 20% of AKV buyers want to stay in value studios, or 50% of SSR owners expect to stay at BCV or BLT at the 7 month window, disappointment will be an issue as room supply is limited.

so i agree about VGF resale: if too many people bought into VGF to stay in studios, eventually that imbalance will work itself out...

If it were that much of an issue, or became that much of one, Disney could change some weeks around, to try to shift demand, but I do not expect that.

I do think the "VGF Dilemma" was at least discussed when doing the Poly, however I do believe the all studio format was a result of using existing buildings(by and large). I have to believe that cost per point to build the Poly is probably uber cheap. Electrical and Plumbing mostly in place, etc...

 

[dsnydaddy]

Fascinating, I actually love these discussions because it helps me understand DVC better.

 

[cbnsoul]

As a frustrated VGF owner, I was kinda thinking about the "VGF dilemma" last night. Rather than combining Poly and VF into one booking window, I'm wondering if they would convert some of the dedicated 2 bedrooms to lock offs. Helps increase the number of studios but also increases 1 bedrooms, which I'm not sure they want. I have never stayed in aything except a studio so not sure how hard that would be to do or what effect it may have on the point charts.

 

[jerseyduke]

As a frustrated VGF owner, I was kinda thinking about the "VGF dilemma" last night. Rather than combining Poly and VF into one booking window, I'm wondering if they would convert some of the dedicated 2 bedrooms to lock offs. Helps increase the number of studios but also increases 1 bedrooms, which I'm not sure they want. I have never stayed in aything except a studio so not sure how hard that would be to do or what effect it may have on the point charts.

the VGF is like 80% sold. I doubt they will change anything.

 

[cbnsoul]

the VGF is like 80% sold. I doubt they will change anything.

I do too although they have made some more minor structural adjustments to resorts - such as moving the sinks in the BLT studios - prior to selling out.

 

[Minniesgal]

As a frustrated VGF owner, I was kinda thinking about the "VGF dilemma" last night. Rather than combining Poly and VF into one booking window, I'm wondering if they would convert some of the dedicated 2 bedrooms to lock offs. Helps increase the number of studios but also increases 1 bedrooms, which I'm not sure they want. I have never stayed in aything except a studio so not sure how hard that would be to do or what effect it may have on the point charts.

I would hate this we love the dedicated two bedrooms for our larger family

 

[jerseyduke]

I would hate this we love the dedicated two bedrooms for our larger family

I would doubt the even can make a change like this.

I do not know the law, but it seems like they would have to keep the rooms intact. If they can change one room, what is to say they can not change them all (such as changing all dedicated to lock offs). Or making all lock offs dedicated. I only have enough points for a studio for one week...I would then have a virtually useless(to me) real estate interest

Plus, it is really is no longer Disneys', its ours. Good legal question though....

 

[Sur]

I'd love to have you all out for a drink...great discussions here!