Do You think DISNEY has gone down hlll the last few years?

[Suellen]

OMG, either the trash is too FULL or too EMPTY. Damn you Disney, get it right! Don't you know the fate of our vacations rests on whether or not you empty the trash at precisely the correct time and level of fullness. And for goodness sakes, stop using old growth virgin forests for your paper products and non-recycled plastics.

Yup. Snarky.

 

[boyob13]

The way I see it, I can live with the substandard (which still seems better than a lot of places) service because it just doesn't matter. How much annoyance can you get out of it when vacation time would only amount to no more than 10 years of your life? As long as it's livable and there are no major problems, I just take it in stride.

That's my opinion, and I'm not attacking anyone else.

 

[WDSearcher]

And this is (EXACTLY) the point I'm trying to make. I've never said you (not you personally) should believe things suck because I do, rather, I've questioned how people can say something to like, "You're crazy! I've never seen a dirty bathroom. They're all clean!"

But that's MY point. People can say what they say because they never HAVE seen a dirty bathroom. They're not literally calling you 'crazy' -- they're not suggesting you need to be committed. They're just making an unfortunate word choice to get their point across.

Part of this comes from the fact that I--and many others--frequent WDW fairly often so something like this may be more noticeable to us. Whereas, someone going for their first time or their first time in 5 or 10 years may not notice something like this. It's nothing out of the ordinary for most places but it is out of the ordinary for WDW. Whether you're seeing these things or not--and you've been there many times--you have to agree it's just not something you usually see at WDW (again, not talking specifically to you).

You're kind of assuming that because you go to WDW more often, you notice more. I don't think that's true. I know people who go to Disney every weekend who have never seen a dirty bathroom or an overflowing trash can. Maybe they're lucky, maybe they're not looking. Maybe they have permanent rose-colored glasses. But I don't think that the number of trips or frequency of trips means that you're more or less likely to notice things. The type of person someone is, is a much larger indicator of whether they're more or less likely to notice things. Some folks are simply more observant. Some people see only what they choose to see. Some folks only look up. Some folks only look down. Some folks notice EVERYTHING. Some ... only the shiny stuff.

I can understand how some people just don't mind things like this (if they even notice them). I'm ok with that. Have no problem with that. Just don't tell me I'm crazy because it either bothers me or you didn't see it. Just as I won't tell you you're crazy for not thinking it's a problem.

And yet ... you said you didn't understand how people could still think everything was just fine. But I think you're a clever guy. Of course you understand. You just don't agree. That's the thing.

For some people (maybe you ... maybe not), if someone doesn't agree, it means they don't understand. Because if the person understood, they would HAVE to agree.

But understanding and agreeing can be mutually exclusive. I totally understand where you (and brunette and Kelly and si-am and Jeff and others) are coming from. I just don't agree with you. And it's the "not agreeing" part that seems to be causing the consternation. There's an undercurrent here that those of us who don't see the problem in the same way you do are somehow misinformed. That we are wrong and must be made to understand.

But we're not wrong. Neither are you. We just don't agree. Our mileage varies.

 

[d1gitman]

Yup. Snarky.

Oh, I am so busted.

http://thesnark.org/faq/

 

[Pirate Jeff]

But understanding and agreeing can be mutually exclusive. I totally understand where you (and brunette and Kelly and si-am and Jeff and others) are coming from. I just don't agree with you. And it's the "not agreeing" part that seems to be causing the consternation. There's an undercurrent here that those of us who don't see the problem in the same way you do are somehow misinformed. That we are wrong and must be made to understand.

But we're not wrong. Neither are you. We just don't agree. Our mileage varies.

That is the point I have been trying to make, though you do it considerably better. I can say that, as it is clear my own POV has been mis-understood. Then again, maybe it's my occasional posture indiscretions that is the root cause.

Either way Searcher, I would never suggest that person "who doesn't agree with me" (and I can only speak for myself here) is wrong or misinformed. I have also considered, that my own interpretation of things may be subjective to my own occasional disappointment over things. That "disappointment" has it's beginnings in the ever-changing pricing and how it makes me feel personally. Most of the other things are "window dressing" (no pun intended) which really don't bother me so much as I don't see a problem there. But the constant "sales" to bring people in, the raising of prices especially during high traffic times that are unjustified and in my opinion, exploitive.

Back to the personal side of it, I have no problem with you and I am not playing "thread monitor". I will however, on the internet or in the real world, defend someone (especially a lady) who I feel is being attacked unjustly.

 

[Donut23]

Ok this had been a good discussion on what's happening at WDW. It turned into a personal, "You're wrong! No YOU'RE wrong!" thing. Hope it can get back to a decent discussion again.

In summary, a group of us feel there have been negative changes in the last few years. Another group of us feel there haven't really been any negative changes, its' as good as ever. Still another group feels there have been changes but they're not all that bad (or as extensive as the first group mentions) and it's just a sign of the times. I'm sure I'm missing someone in there....

Should people complain about things they feel should be improved/changed? Absolutely. Should they complain here? Why not? They should also complain directly to Disney (no matter WHEN they do). If people don't complain somewhere, there's no way Disney will know there is an unhappy guest or guests.

Is this the best place to complain? I have no idea (although I doubt it's the best place). But I'd be absolutely shocked if there weren't Disney people who frequent boards like this to take the pulse of both their customers as well as what the perception of the company is (perception, afterall, is reality). I would, however, suggest complaining directly to Disney as well.

Some people also feel those who don't agree with them are crazy. I don't feel that way although I don't understand why people tend to apologize for Disney so much. They're not special. They're not magical. They're a company. A company who has made mistakes in the past and will make mistakes in the future. Amazingly, they're just like any other company out there...

I guess the biggest thing I don't understand is why some people still insist there is just nothing wrong. I have been going to WDW for about 20 years now--a pretty good sample. I've cited tangible things which are going on which, well, does distract the guest from the experience. Many other people have also cited tangible things. Sure, food quality, CM attitudes and prices can be subjective but things like trash not being picked up/emptied, dirty bathrooms, dirty rooms, etc. are not subjective. Just because someone hasn't seen these things does not mean they didn't happen. Since many of us complaining have been going for a long time and haven't seen these things before, I'd say something is amiss.

People always come up with complaints. Up until my last trip (a few weeks ago now), I'd not seen things like this before. Was just there in December so it's not been years since my last visit. It was shocking to see. Actually commented to my wife about these things when I saw them. Enough people are saying similar things to ignore these kinds of things as being a problem.

We used to be DVC members (sold our membership last year). We owned at OKW so we've been members for quite some time. We sold it for quite a few reasons which I won't get into here as it's neither the time nor the place. However, until then, I would only stay on-property. Why? Well, one of the great things about a Disney vacation (I'd tell people) is being totally immersed in the fantasy which is WDW. Helps me forget everything. Didn't feel like I had to grab my cell phone every time it rang, etc. This, to me, was extremely important.

So we did the next best thing, bought a Wyndham timeshare (for next to nothing--another story) and we now stay at Bonnett Creek which is sort of on property (but not technically). You have to drive on property to get to it. Very convenient. Problem is, you (sort of) lose the total immersion in that BC isn't a Disney resort. However, I have to say, they have their act together. Great service, great rooms, etc. Feels very Disney-like sans the Disney theming. So we're good there.

Now, fast forward to what (I feel) is happening more often today. Basically, these things are doing more than one thing. First, they're making me and my family spend less money at the resorts. Obviously, not staying on property costs them money. More importantly, because of things like the food quality, we eat off property more and more. Again, less money for Disney.

However, and this is the biggest problem, whenever I leave the property, I'm back in, "the real world," and that illusion of immersion is shattered. I don't feel the same way visiting Disney as I used to. Ok, it's because I'm not staying on property and all that but, in reality, it's because of the changes to WDW which have caused me to spend less and less time on property shattering that illusion. The risk is, at some point, we'll feel it's just not worth the premium (which goes up all of the time) to try and recapture this illusion.

It's a shame really because we've not found that illusion anywhere else we've vacationed. I just hope they fix some things. I don't expect them to cut prices (although it'd be nice) but I do wish they'd get back to being Disney instead of just a big theme park trying to squeeze as much money out of its guests (yes, that's my opinion of what's happening...YMMV).

Gadget, you have, once again, done Yeoman's work trying to explain how many of us feel. Great post.



A couple of years ago there was a guest here who .... worked on the inside .... and had some interesting theories about WDW and guests. One of those was trying to explain the "disney can do no wrong" folks. I'm not sure I totally agree....I still can't understand how there can be so many filty bathrooms and people still think Disney is the living embodyment of perfection...anyway....the theory......

I am guessing there are Disney guests who are ONLY Disney guests. (Odd as it sounds with so many other wonderful vacation opportunities in the country alone). Anyway, the day they leave WDW, they are planning their next trip. They justify the expenses and proudly say "I'll eat peanut butter sandwiches for a year to afford to go back". Nothing is ever out of place and no place else is worth their attention.

Now we all know that our vacation $$$ is special to each of us and no one else can tell us HOW to vacation. Having said that.....

At some level THEIR world revolves around Disney and eventually they react personally when someone speaks a negative about Disney (even if it's the truth). It is now as if THEY are personally attacked and they react as if the attack was personal to THEM vs. simple observatons watcing a decline as discussed here. How many guests have written about friends and collegues commenting on frequent disney trips?

I said it at least 50 pages ago. EVERYBODY had a point where they can no longer pretend Disney is pefection. If Disney continues the path many of us see, some of these "Disney-Perfection-Enforcers" (is that better than Kool aid or rose colored I tried) will slam into the same wall we have. For them, it will be especially painful because of their personal emotional involvement.



Speaking for me and my Disney history.....

As a child, my parents took me EVERYWHERE....and never to Disney. I didn't first experience a Disney park until I was 19 and took...myself. One thing I remember is how much more I was exposed to ----- in school I could talk about National Parks....because I had been to them. I could talk about historic sites, I had walked Picketts charge, or stood in the Capitol Rotunda or saw the China Room on a White House tour, for example.

I'm not sure I would have been happy to go to WDW for EVERY holiday. Ok, I remember begging my parents to go.....maybe one or two trips would have been COOL. Happily, however, my childhood identity was not totally built on a fantasy.

Honestly, visiting the American Experience, Frontier Land, Tomorrow Land, Hall of Presidents is no substitute for touring the White House, Capital, Smithsonian, great museums, broadway shows, driving along Skyline drive in the fall and watching a family of deer, Luray caverns, learning to fish and water ski on the Cheseapeake bay, whale watch in New England, seeing Elvis' home when we visited family in Memphis...the list of childhood memories.

One of my favorite memories? My father worked very hard to afford our comfortable living. We often didn't see as much of him as we wanted. My favorite book as a child....Misty of Chincoteague. One weekend my little bag was packed and I got in the car with Daddy......just a father - daughter weekend. He finally took me to see "Misty's house" and we saw the beautiful little ponies of Chincoteague. I'm 55 and I can still remember my father's face as he drove....and told me where we were going.

To tell the truth, I think I prefer my childhood memories to be diverse after all.

 

[Planogirl]

Gadget, you have, once again, done Yeoman's work trying to explain how many of us feel. Great post.



A couple of years ago there was a guest here who .... worked on the inside .... and had some interesting theories about WDW and guests. One of those was trying to explain the "disney can do no wrong" folks. I'm not sure I totally agree....I still can't understand how there can be so many filty bathrooms and people still think Disney is the living embodyment of perfection...anyway....the theory......

I am guessing there are Disney guests who are ONLY Disney guests. (Odd as it sounds with so many other wonderful vacation opportunities in the country alone). Anyway, the day they leave WDW, they are planning their next trip. They justify the expenses and proudly say "I'll eat peanut butter sandwiches for a year to afford to go back". Nothing is ever out of place and no place else is worth their attention.

Now we all know that our vacation $$$ is special to each of us and no one else can tell us HOW to vacation. Having said that.....

At some level THEIR world revolves around Disney and eventually they react personally when someone speaks a negative about Disney (even if it's the truth). It is now as if THEY are personally attacked and they react as if the attack was personal to THEM vs. simple observatons watcing a decline as discussed here. How many guests have written about friends and collegues commenting on frequent disney trips?

I said it at least 50 pages ago. EVERYBODY had a point where they can no longer pretend Disney is pefection. If Disney continues the path many of us see, some of these "Disney-Perfection-Enforcers" (is that better than Kool aid or rose colored I tried) will slam into the same wall we have. For them, it will be especially painful because of their personal emotional involvement.



Speaking for me and my Disney history.....

As a child, my parents took me EVERYWHERE....and never to Disney. I didn't first experience a Disney park until I was 19 and took...myself. One thing I remember is how much more I was exposed to ----- in school I could talk about National Parks....because I had been to them. I could talk about historic sites, I had walked Picketts charge, or stood in the Capitol Rotunda or saw the China Room on a White House tour, for example.

I'm not sure I would have been happy to go to WDW for EVERY holiday. Ok, I remember begging my parents to go.....maybe one or two trips would have been COOL. Happily, however, my childhood identity was not totally built on a fantasy.

Honestly, visiting the American Experience, Frontier Land, Tomorrow Land, Hall of Presidents is no substitute for touring the White House, Capital, Smithsonian, great museums, broadway shows, driving along Skyline drive in the fall and watching a family of deer, Luray caverns, learning to fish and water ski on the Cheseapeake bay, whale watch in New England, seeing Elvis' home when we visited family in Memphis...the list of childhood memories.

One of my favorite memories? My father worked very hard to afford our comfortable living. We often didn't see as much of him as we wanted. My favorite book as a child....Misty of Chincoteague. One weekend my little bag was packed and I got in the car with Daddy......just a father - daughter weekend. He finally took me to see "Misty's house" and we saw the beautiful little ponies of Chincoteague. I'm 55 and I can still remember my father's face as he drove....and told me where we were going.

To tell the truth, I think I prefer my childhood memories to be diverse after all.

You make some great points here. If you never visit the other great places out there, how do you know that Disney isn't perfect? What do you compare it to?

I feel the same way about the restaurants. People seem to despise many of the Disney restaurants while thinking that many are the best in the world. How can a perfect company have bad restaurants? How does that make sense? Also, how can you compare the better restaurants to good restaurants on the outside if you never go anywhere else?

I realize that not everyone falls into these categories but I definitely believe that some do. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle though.

By the way, I would love to visit Chincoteague. I loved the book too and might just hunt down a copy.

 

[WDSearcher]

I don't think you have a clue as to what I feel.

You're right. I don't. The tone and language in your post seemed to strongly indicate anger and frustration. I could have certainly misread it, and I apologize for presuming.

These comments were directed at two individuals whom were personally attacking another member and I stand by these comments. My "anger" is at the lack of courtesy shown by these other members.

Understood. But if you have a problem with two individuals, either report them, IM them, or specify who you're talking about. Otherwise, you kind of come off as yelling at all of us. (Or, as I think Donut23 observed, it's like we're all standing in elementary school being yelled at by the principal for something someone else did.)

As for your addressing me: I guess my accepting of others opinions (see post #1093) doesn't apply to your interpretation of my actions? Proof that no good deed goes unpunished! Sheeesh!

I didn't realize that accepting my opinion was a "good deed". I thought you actually agreed with me. Drat! But really, every individual post elicits its own response.

That is the point I have been trying to make, though you do it considerably better. I can say that, as it is clear my own POV has been mis-understood. Then again, maybe it's my occasional posture indiscretions that is the root cause.

Either way Searcher, I would never suggest that person "who doesn't agree with me" (and I can only speak for myself here) is wrong or misinformed. I have also considered, that my own interpretation of things may be subjective to my own occasional disappointment over things. That "disappointment" has it's beginnings in the ever-changing pricing and how it makes me feel personally. Most of the other things are "window dressing" (no pun intended) which really don't bother me so much as I don't see a problem there. But the constant "sales" to bring people in, the raising of prices especially during high traffic times that are unjustified and in my opinion, exploitive.

Back to the personal side of it, I have no problem with you and I am not playing "thread monitor". I will however, on the internet or in the real world, defend someone (especially a lady) who I feel is being attacked unjustly.

It's nice to know that chivalry is not dead. My only issue was that, in reading the post, it appeared as though you were talking to all of us. And I couldn't figure out what we had all done to incite that type of wrath.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

But that's MY point. People can say what they say because they never HAVE seen a dirty bathroom. They're not literally calling you 'crazy' -- they're not suggesting you need to be committed. They're just making an unfortunate word choice to get their point across.


You're kind of assuming that because you go to WDW more often, you notice more. I don't think that's true. I know people who go to Disney every weekend who have never seen a dirty bathroom or an overflowing trash can. Maybe they're lucky, maybe they're not looking. Maybe they have permanent rose-colored glasses. But I don't think that the number of trips or frequency of trips means that you're more or less likely to notice things. The type of person someone is, is a much larger indicator of whether they're more or less likely to notice things. Some folks are simply more observant. Some people see only what they choose to see. Some folks only look up. Some folks only look down. Some folks notice EVERYTHING. Some ... only the shiny stuff.


And yet ... you said you didn't understand how people could still think everything was just fine. But I think you're a clever guy. Of course you understand. You just don't agree. That's the thing.

For some people (maybe you ... maybe not), if someone doesn't agree, it means they don't understand. Because if the person understood, they would HAVE to agree.

But understanding and agreeing can be mutually exclusive. I totally understand where you (and brunette and Kelly and si-am and Jeff and others) are coming from. I just don't agree with you. And it's the "not agreeing" part that seems to be causing the consternation. There's an undercurrent here that those of us who don't see the problem in the same way you do are somehow misinformed. That we are wrong and must be made to understand.

But we're not wrong. Neither are you. We just don't agree. Our mileage varies.

Exactly. One of my sons always wants to explain his position over and over and over, because he thinks we aren't listening, rather than not agreeing. He just doesn't get it. He is 16 right now, and I pray he outgrows this!!

You are right. our mileage varies.

 

[WDSearcher]

A couple of years ago there was a guest here who .... worked on the inside .... and had some interesting theories about WDW and guests. One of those was trying to explain the "disney can do no wrong" folks. I'm not sure I totally agree....I still can't understand how there can be so many filty bathrooms and people still think Disney is the living embodyment of perfection...

These types of comments are what make people defensive. How many "filthy bathrooms" are there? Disney has hundreds of bathrooms. How many of them are filthy? You can't possibly know. It's when you generalize that people get their backs up. And then you toss the comment away:

I'm not sure I totally agree....I still can't understand how there can be so many filty bathrooms and people still think Disney is the living embodyment of perfection...anyway....the theory......

in a way that is actually pretty condescending. It's like there are hundreds of filthy bathrooms that everyone is allowing to be there because they refuse to see the filth. I'd love to know how many filthy bathrooms you've personally come across in your Disney vacationing career. It would give me a bit of perspective on your viewpoint.

I said it at least 50 pages ago. EVERYBODY had a point where they can no longer pretend Disney is pefection.

Clearly, that's not true. There are a lot of people who still believe that Disney is their Disney. And, just as you so adamantly want to help them see the chinks in the armor, they just as adamantly want to show you that they're not there.

If Disney continues the path many of us see, some of these "Disney-Perfection-Enforcers" (is that better than Kool aid or rose colored I tried) will slam into the same wall we have. For them, it will be especially painful because of their personal emotional involvement.

There are many people who may never "slam into the same wall" where Disney is concerned. They may never "feel the pain". They may go on through their entire Disney vacationing lives thinking all is well in their Disney world. This does not make them wrong. It's like believing in Santa Claus. There's nothing wrong with it. Some people find out that he's not real and don't care at all. They're OK with the knowledge. Some people are devastated. Some people continue to believe. No one is wrong.

> snipping here just to save room <

To tell the truth, I think I prefer my childhood memories to be diverse after all.

When I was a kid, we went to the exact same cottage in the exact same park every single year. That was my only vacation from the time I was 3 until I was 16. Three weeks, park, cottage, lake. Every year. And it was great. Because even though the place was the same, the experience was always different. I met different people, learned different things, pursued different interests. I never took a vacation outside that park until I was in high school. And I'll bet my childhood memories are just as diverse as yours. Just because I didn't have the breadth of travels you did doesn't mean I didn't have wonderfully diverse experiences.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Suellen, I love your princess picture! That is a classic!

 

[GadgetRick]

But that's MY point. People can say what they say because they never HAVE seen a dirty bathroom. They're not literally calling you 'crazy' -- they're not suggesting you need to be committed. They're just making an unfortunate word choice to get their point across.


You're kind of assuming that because you go to WDW more often, you notice more. I don't think that's true. I know people who go to Disney every weekend who have never seen a dirty bathroom or an overflowing trash can. Maybe they're lucky, maybe they're not looking. Maybe they have permanent rose-colored glasses. But I don't think that the number of trips or frequency of trips means that you're more or less likely to notice things. The type of person someone is, is a much larger indicator of whether they're more or less likely to notice things. Some folks are simply more observant. Some people see only what they choose to see. Some folks only look up. Some folks only look down. Some folks notice EVERYTHING. Some ... only the shiny stuff.


And yet ... you said you didn't understand how people could still think everything was just fine. But I think you're a clever guy. Of course you understand. You just don't agree. That's the thing.

For some people (maybe you ... maybe not), if someone doesn't agree, it means they don't understand. Because if the person understood, they would HAVE to agree.

But understanding and agreeing can be mutually exclusive. I totally understand where you (and brunette and Kelly and si-am and Jeff and others) are coming from. I just don't agree with you. And it's the "not agreeing" part that seems to be causing the consternation. There's an undercurrent here that those of us who don't see the problem in the same way you do are somehow misinformed. That we are wrong and must be made to understand.

But we're not wrong. Neither are you. We just don't agree. Our mileage varies.

Again, my comments weren't directed at you, however, there are people who have (essentially) called people crazy for thinking there are problems.

With regards to agreeing/not agreeing--you have totally missed the point I'm trying to make. Something like CMs not being as friendly (or rude as some people have said) or the food quality are subjective things. I understand how anyone can have a different opinion on whether they're experiencing it or not. A lack of cleanliness (and some of the other things) is not quite as subjective. It is--to some extent--but a bathroom with trash overflowing onto the floor and toilets with stuff in them are just dirty. I don't think anyone would argue they're not.

Now, whether someone has seen these things or not will certainly skew their feelings about this whole discussion. In other words, if you've not seen these things, you do not perceive it as a problem...and rightly so. I haven't seen anyone here try to convince anyone to see these things (non-subjective things that is) whereas plenty of people who've not seen them have insisted it's just not happening (in not so many words). Disney is great, blah blah blah.

And I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on one thing. If someone has been frequenting WDW they are certainly more likely to notice the changes we're citing. If your only experience to a theme park is a Six Flags or something like that, your expectations will (most likely) be much lower than someone who has been there during the times when things were run much better. Does it mean people who go more often are more observant? Not at all but it does mean they have a reference with which to compare what the current state of affairs are. This is something a first-timer just doesn't have.

 

[Pirates4me]

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Actually the above post was not about you. And he was frustrated as was I to be called a liar about the bed skirt and other "personal" attacks. It was in reference to two individuals and I can see exactly why Pirate Jeff became frustrated. The above referenced poster stop posting and one said that she was going to unsubscribe because it was too much whiniing. Evidentently she did not unsubscribe. So be it.

Brunette

I certainly made no personal attacks. If I offended anyone it certainly was not intended. Opinions differ, right or wrong everyone has one.

As for "she was going to unsubscribe because of too much whining" Did you not notice the I am in fact a DIS Dad Club Member. Therefore not a "she".

All I have to say is, Life is short, May the Disney be with you!

 

[Pirates4me]

Geez. Who made you board monitor all of a sudden?

Call out the individuals if you feel you really have to. Report them to the Mods. Put them on "ignore". Whatever. But don't address us all like errant children.

I get that you're frustrated and angry, but come on. It's a theme park, not world peace. Yikes.

Right on!

 

[rie'smom]

But that's MY point. People can say what they say because they never HAVE seen a dirty bathroom. They're not literally calling you 'crazy' -- they're not suggesting you need to be committed. They're just making an unfortunate word choice to get their point across.

However, there have been posts to the effect implying those of us who have legitimate complaints are whining for free things or for upgrades.
In another post you asked how many dirty bathrooms out of the hundreds were dirty. In our case, on one trip I reached for the tp and almost touched poop smeared onto the paper dispenser in 3 bathrooms in 3 different parks- MK,AK,and DHS. What are the odds that out of all those hundreds of bathrooms I managed to hit 3? Pretty big odds which tells me that Mousekeeping had slipped big time.

On our last trip, I didn't have that happen but the used paper bins were overflowing to the point that after washing my hands, I held onto my paper and threw it away in a garbage can outside the bathroom. Also in one of the bathrooms there was dried poop smeared across the wall in a stall.

I'd make a smarty comment about the poop but the tag fairy might get me.

 

[brunette8706]

Originally Posted by WDSearcher
Geez. Who made you board monitor all of a sudden?

Call out the individuals if you feel you really have to. Report them to the Mods. Put them on "ignore". Whatever. But don't address us all like errant children.

I get that you're frustrated and angry, but come on. It's a theme park, not world peace. Yikes.



Right on!
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LMAO! Yep I already made the distinction.!! TOO FUNNY!

 

[brunette8706]

However, there have been posts to the effect implying those of us who have legitimate complaints are whining for free things or for upgrades.
In another post you asked how many dirty bathrooms out of the hundreds were dirty. In our case, on one trip I reached for the tp and almost touched poop smeared onto the paper dispenser in 3 bathrooms in 3 different parks- MK,AK,and DHS. What are the odds that out of all those hundreds of bathrooms I managed to hit 3? Pretty big odds which tells me that Mousekeeping had slipped big time.

On our last trip, I didn't have that happen but the used paper bins were overflowing to the point that after washing my hands, I held onto my paper and threw it away in a garbage can outside the bathroom. Also in one of the bathrooms there was dried poop smeared across the wall in a stall.

I'd make a smarty comment about the poop but the tag fairy might get me.[/QUOTE]


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Great point! Boy, is that disgusting about the filth on the toilet paper dispenser. ICK. Thanks for bringing that up.

LOL!

Brunette

 

[flicx]

I honestly don't think some understand why these comments are being made.Alot of minor details in some peoples eyes are being let go.There are some facts that can't be ignored such as a lesser number of attractions being built recently, attractions setting empty(body wars),less decorations certain times of the year,cut backs in show frequency,and the biggy the price increases, whether it is for food ,lodging,theme park tickets,stroller,parking,special events and so on. Now when you add one to the other, it needs addressed.I really don't think you can argue that.

 

[Donut23]

You make some great points here. If you never visit the other great places out there, how do you know that Disney isn't perfect? What do you compare it to?

I feel the same way about the restaurants. People seem to despise many of the Disney restaurants while thinking that many are the best in the world. How can a perfect company have bad restaurants? How does that make sense? Also, how can you compare the better restaurants to good restaurants on the outside if you never go anywhere else?

I realize that not everyone falls into these categories but I definitely believe that some do. Most seem to fall somewhere in the middle though.

By the way, I would love to visit Chincoteague. I loved the book too and might just hunt down a copy.

If you cannot find a copy of Misty of Chincoteague also now a series of books), PM me. I live in Maryland and copies are in our stores....I'll get one for you!

I gave up picture books early. Each night Mom would ask what I wanted her to read and I always picked Misty. DH and I added a stop at Chincoteague a couple of years ago on our "historic loop" vacation.....(Gettysburg, Skyline Drive, Monticello, Williamsburg, Chincoteague and Blackwater Game Refuge. I got a little smutzy in my eyes when I saw Misty's statue. The stop in Chincoteague brought back some seriously fond memories of my childhood.

 

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However, there have been posts to the effect implying those of us who have legitimate complaints are whining for free things or for upgrades.

And those are just as wrong as the posts that assume that anyone who doesn't see the piles of trash and filthy bathrooms are somehow naive or overly pixie-dusted. I never said that one side was more "right" than the other. Just that both of them quite possibly could be correct, each from their own POV.

In another post you asked how many dirty bathrooms out of the hundreds were dirty. In our case, on one trip I reached for the tp and almost touched poop smeared onto the paper dispenser in 3 bathrooms in 3 different parks- MK,AK,and DHS. What are the odds that out of all those hundreds of bathrooms I managed to hit 3? Pretty big odds which tells me that Mousekeeping had slipped big time.

Absolutely. And I hope you mentioned each of them to the nearest Custodial CM or manager, saving all the guests behind you from that same experience.

The frustrating part of it all is that there were probably thousands of guests at WDW at the exact same time as you who did not experience those specific bathrooms and would think you were making it up because they didn't have that experience at all. They could have even been in the same actual bathroom as you, but in a different stall -- and their stall was just fine. You could have been in the same bathroom at the same time and had totally different experiences. You saying "The bathroom was a mess" was correct. The person in the next stall saying "the bathroom was fine" was also correct.

That's the disconnect, I think, for many people who debate the "Disney is slipping" issue. There is often no absolute wrong or right, just different perceptions.

I hope your upcoming trip is free of bathroom drama!!