Do you find this offensive?

I would find it offensive only if I didn't have a relationship with that person that warranted them using that word. Even if I call myself that, I don't want you calling me that if we're not friends. If you have to ask me if it's ok for you to call me that, it's probably not.

It's all a matter of context. I have a group of friends from college who were my roommates and all happen to be straight, and we have a very special relationship where we try to find the most impossibly degrading things to call each other, but never in public. It's all context.
 
I've let it slide considering the topic at hand. But please be advised, doing this on other areas of the Dis is a big no no!

I LIVE for No-Nos! :rotfl:

And Offensive is de rigueur! :flower3:
 
This is difficult for me to convey my feelings.

I was called the F word and queer and **** my entire life growing up by kids in school. So I took ALL of those words to be something derogatory. It took me years to get over the fact that queer and **** were ok if in the right context. I even got use to my close gay friends throwing out the F word amongst one another. Yet let any of them hear that word from someone not a friend and they got all up in their business. It depended on who used it and when and what context it was used.

Today? I'm still that way. If one of my friends uses the F word or calls me that, I know the context it's being done in. Have I used it? Yes. So I think it's all a personal thing. Like a previous poster said, almost every word describing someone who is gay, has been used in a derogatory way at some point in time for different reasons. I just know when and when not to use it. I'll probably take some flack for that, but I'm in the belief system that everyone is different in their thinking and how they handle things.

I personally had a lot of hurdles to get over with the words queer and **** but for some until this day, someone says queer and I instantly cringe for a moment. Strange, I know. Hard to get certain words out of my head. I think it was because I was called that word every day of my life, numerous times for SO long throughout school.

So gets back to how the post was done on FB. In that context it should be removed and pointed out to the person as to why. If people aren't told WHY something is offensive, history just repeats itself.
 
I've read about Paladino's comments. What's up with that?! Does he really think that New Yorkers are going to hold still for that sort of ignorance being spread under the guise of a campaign?

Sheesh.

I could say loads about him but since we can't discuss politics I'll behave (don't want Mike to have to get all tough on me!). What I can say is that it's especially sad since his nephew is gay. Fortunately the nephew is starting to realize that his uncle doesn't represent true family values and has stopped working on his campaign!
 

I think that is terribly disrespectful. Someone needs to teach this kids manners. Maybe you can comment that no, its not ok to say it, regardless of what you may call yourself, because it is not respectful of others, and leave it at that. I'm sorry people are so mean.
 
I think, and this is just me, its a case of changing the meaning of a word.....or taking ownership.

Back in the day, the "N" word was used with terrible consequences. Some folks decided to "own" the word, and used as a term of endearment, to change the meaning around. Mostly younger "rapper" types.

For gay guys....many of them tend to use the "F' word jokingly to try to desensitize it.

I'm still out on weather it works for me. My partner and I toss it around occasionally in a funny manner. But if you don't know me, and drop the "F" bomb, I still go ballistic!
 
There is a thread on the CB right now that I think is tangentially related to this one. It is about whether the word "suck" is a bad word or not. Answers vary from "not at all--totally fine for even 3 year olds to use" to "only in the mildest sense--like 'heck' or 'darn' " to "yes--is is right up there with the f-word as one of the worst ones."
It is amazing how very different the reaction to the word is AND how those who never thought of it as bad are shocked by those who think of it as terrible and vise-versa.
Many people (myself included until about 3 years ago--thanks to a prior DIS thread) NEVER thought to associate the word in any way with a sexual act, but others think of it as such a bad word primarily because they have that association. It seems to be trending that younger people are more like to have not ever heard/used the word in that context and to think the word in no big deal whereas older people cringe (or worse) at it--however, in this case there is still much more variation among the ages than with many things.

Anyway, it has gotten me thinking about this thread some more. My kids have only heard the f-word refereed to here as a bad word (on Glee)--so far as I know. But, I am not sure they would have ANY knowledge that "queer" could insult someone. It is the term of choice used by my best friend and his husband so that is pretty much where they hear it. I think at their age they have never heard it slung about as an insult and would not make a connection that calling someone who is that would be. They DO know the old fashioned term (peculiar, eccentric) but I do not think they would see that as a negative if asked; to them that is true--it is a bit odd to be gay/bi/lesbian/trans gender insofar as that represents 10% or so of the population. They wouldn;t see that as a bad thing at all (my son has been known to be somewhat insulted at being "accused" of being normal:rotfl:).

This is all a long winded way of saying that I wonder IF someone has grown up in a time/place where these words--whichever words they may be--are not being used as insults AND they have been around those of you who use these words among yourselves differently, how are they really supposed to know that you will be upset if THEY label you the way YOU label you?:confused3

I have no answer. I am confused as can be and have been for years--I ALWAYS stumble and worry whenever I have to use a word to define a non straight individual and I will try very hard to get out of having to use any word at all for fear that whichever one I pick will insult someone.

I guess sometimes, hard as it is not to react to years of built of pain around words and actions you have suffered in the past, I would hope everyone would be careful to look at what the person using whichever term is doing with the term and see if they intend to be insulting before jumping all over them. Quite honestly, in this tiny snippet of a facebook post, not having the foggiest notion of anything else about the person I wouldn't really be able to tell how they felt about the word at all. SO, in this case, I would likely ignore it, or maybe privately let the person known in the nicest way possible that there are a lot of people who are really hurt by the word, but that would be the extent. Then again, being straight, the worst associations I have with the word personally are being called a "theare-f**" often in highschool in a jeering way and that was often accompanied by being slammed into the locker bays, etc. Crappy highschool stuff but it was aimed at the whole group and not really me. SO, I know my emotional reaction is not as visceral as it probably is for many of you.
 
I personally had a lot of hurdles to get over with the words queer and **** but for some until this day, someone says queer and I instantly cringe for a moment. Strange, I know. Hard to get certain words out of my head. I think it was because I was called that word every day of my life, numerous times for SO long throughout school.
Me too. And I don't know why. I just find the word Queer Way more jarring. :sad2:

I'm still out on weather it works for me. My partner and I toss it around occasionally in a funny manner. But if you don't know me, and drop the "F" bomb, I still go ballistic!
Seconded. I guess it's all context for me.
One can just tell the intent- but intent is hard to discern in postings.:confused3.
Part of me wants to say "These word have NO power over me" - they are JUST words -
then I hear one served up with a helping of vitriol and I'm set back.
 
Thank you all for this discussion.

I have had a few conversations (ok lectures) with my 7th grader over the 'that's so gay' phrase, and now I am going to ramp it up. I am hurting for all of you for having words used against you when younger; now too, but we are so vunerable when young.:sad2:

Seriously, I do my best not to use label words at all.

And to the original question, yes I do find it offensive.
 
"Suck" is a profanity? Seriously? Cool! :cool2:

I used to know a mom who thought "fart" was profane. FREAKED OUT when her 6 year old DS said it. Some people boggle my mind. :rolleyes:
 
"Suck" is a profanity? Seriously? Cool! :cool2:

I used to know a mom who thought "fart" was profane. FREAKED OUT when her 6 year old DS said it. Some people boggle my mind. :rolleyes:

There is quite a good number of people over on the CB who think suck is a profanity. I learn so much about how people think in the DIS:rotfl:
 
I used to know a mom who thought "fart" was profane. FREAKED OUT when her 6 year old DS said it. Some people boggle my mind. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm a bad mom because I'm the one that thinks it's important that boys know how to spit and burp. (I need someone to share my special skills with:rotfl:) DS and I have seed spitting contests on the front porch. I also think it's important they say words like "fart". DD gets a kick out of it too.
DP ... not so much:rolleyes1

But they also know words that are condeming of other people are forbidden and "not very nice".
 
It is my understanding the the use of the work "suck" to denote "not good" came from this original phrase:

Mean people suck. Nice people swallow.

I find that pretty disgusting and yes, I'm one of the camp that think suck is inappropriate for use in social discourse. :snooty:

At any rate, do I realize that the original meaning may have morphed through usage, and that younger people don't understand why others are offended at it's use? Yep.

I remember a neighbor referring to another neighbor as a "pusher" once upon a long time ago. I was horrified. My Da, realizing what I was thinking, roared. I was thinking drugs and that was not at all what the neighbor meant.

So, context and the intent of the person using the word is all important.

I like to look toward a day when it won't freaking matter; those adjectives.
 
It is my understanding the the use of the work "suck" to denote "not good" came from this original phrase:

Mean people suck. Nice people swallow.

I find that pretty disgusting and yes, I'm one of the camp that think suck is inappropriate for use in social discourse. :snooty:

At any rate, do I realize that the original meaning may have morphed through usage, and that younger people don't understand why others are offended at it's use? Yep.

I remember a neighbor referring to another neighbor as a "pusher" once upon a long time ago. I was horrified. My Da, realizing what I was thinking, roared. I was thinking drugs and that was not at all what the neighbor meant.

So, context and the intent of the person using the word is all important.

I like to look toward a day when it won't freaking matter; those adjectives.

Ick:sick::eek:--I have NEVER heard that and would never have thought it. I think there is as little connection to that now in most people's minds as there is between playing Ring Around the Rosie and the plague. Some people may know it, but not the majority.
It is not a word I ever liked, just bacuase I don't like the sound of it, but now I will have that nasty saying in my head whenever I hear it:headache:
 
Yep, my niece who was a Freshman at uni told me that. I nearly croaked...

So needless to say, it was burned in my memory and I don't like the use of the word.

Oh and yes, I know ring around the rosie and it's connection to the plague. Same with the drooping pants and connection to jails.

I am afraid I'm stuffy enough to think the underpinnings of things are important to know. Not that what they produce or are connected to can't change and evolve into something different, but the underpinnings are important to me.

Hence, Queer Nation being the vehicle for me to be more accepting of the word Queer as a positive thing. But I still know the underpinnings and had to reconcile that, too.
 
Yep, my niece who was a Freshman at uni told me that. I nearly croaked...

So needless to say, it was burned in my memory and I don't like the use of the word.

Oh and yes, I know ring around the rosie and it's connection to the plague. Same with the drooping pants and connection to jails.

I am afraid I'm stuffy enough to think the underpinnings of things are important to know. Not that what they produce or are connected to can't change and evolve into something different, but the underpinnings are important to me.

Hence, Queer Nation being the vehicle for me to be more accepting of the word Queer as a positive thing. But I still know the underpinnings and had to reconcile that, too.

Usually I like to know the etymology of a phrase too; this one is just, well, ick. I am sure I will get past it:rolleyes1
Knowing what something meant once upon a time does not always mean that we still have to apply the same meaning (I know you did not say we did). Gosh we hear stuff every day along these lines:
Someone drank the kool-aide
Someone else went postal
Someone else got gyped
and so on and so on.
 
Yep. ::yes:: Some phrases I won't say though, given their underpinnings. That's just me. LOL.

Google the "suck" phrase. You'll see what I mean (about the origins).

The term "Jew" was once an epithet. The Hebrew people turned it around and most people today don't realize that. I refuse to use the phrase, "jew down" however. I cringe whenever I hear anyone else say it, too.

Nice discussion! See "Powers of DIS?" Adults CAN have good discussion of sensitive topics. :teeth:
 
Yep. ::yes:: Some phrases I won't say though, given their underpinnings. That's just me. LOL.

Google the "suck" phrase. You'll see what I mean (about the origins).

The term "Jew" was once an epithet. The Hebrew people turned it around and most people today don't realize that. I refuse to use the phrase, "jew down" however. I cringe whenever I hear anyone else say it, too.

Nice discussion! See "Powers of DIS?" Adults CAN have good discussion of sensitive topics. :teeth:

That happens more on this board than the others. This is a civilized group of people (except Wally of course;))--which is why I like to hang out here (oh, and the jokes).

By the way--I don't use the terms either, but I don't get offended when others do as I know they have taken on new meanings. Gosh, I cnanot tell you how often I saw notes/papers when I taught which use somthing along the lines of "I got jipped"--clearly NO connection whatsoever to the Gypsies in their heads. Even "gypsy" is a misnomer (even when used to describe a race and not thieves which is another related issue) as the general idea is Romani peoples but gypsy comes from Egypt--so there are jsut more and more levels of changed meaning there:rolleyes::lmao:
 
Yes, I find this language offensive. Until very recently, I found the word queer offensive because I had worked for many years to teach people that it was an offensive word. Now the word has become "mainstream" inside the culture. (Now, I kind of like the word because it is a kind of PC way of describing LBQTQQ people without having to list them all.)

Several years back, a very wise Native American woman taught me this: She said that minority groups (and particularly groups of young people) want to choose their own name for their own group. They don't want to be known by the name that "The Man" has given them. They want their own identity and choose their own name. So, all prior names are not acceptable choices. Young people also want to rebel against "The Man" and like to use words that are somewhat shocking and perverse. So, while I don't like the use of these kind of words, I do understand why they are chosen.
 



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