Do you believe misogyny exists and people should be protected from misogyny?

[LuvOrlando]

Do you believe misogyny exists and people should be protected from misogyny?

According to Merriam Webster:

: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women

 

[Kitty 34]

Yes, I believe it exists unfortunately.

 

[Bad Pink Tink 2.0]

Yes. I worked for many years in misogynist industry, where I had to work harder and be more productive and become "one of the boys" to gain promotion. I hated it and left when I eventually realized I would never fulfill my full potential.

 

[barkley]

yes i believe it exists. i also believe misandry exists and witnessed it every day at every level of the field I worked in. both are inexcusable.

 

[WDWEPCOT]

Not only do I believe it exist I experienced it on a daily basis both at my job and in my life I experienced it in the courts I’ve experienced it with the police I’ve experienced it in every level of my life I referred to the area I live in as a boys club because that’s how it’s operated I can give you lots of examples but I won’t bother I’ve had this argument at work because the boys are paid a much higher level than the women are paid some for doing the same exact job with the boys having much less experience and fewer years at the job yet they are making more money I had one boss say well he has a family to support a woman who also had a family to support I’m not sure what the distinction was but in his mind there was a distinction because the man had a family to support I guess the woman did not have a family to support so yes it exist and it’s thriving no problem

 

[NaptownMom]

Well, protected how? Protected against mean words in violation of the free speech of others? No. Protected like Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (in the workplace)? Yes. And protected with what consequence to the offender?

 

[_19disnA]

Some people still believe women shouldn't have leadership roles in business or govt. How exactly you propose to "protect people" from having those sorts of beliefs I have no idea.

 

[sailorstitch]

You're kidding, right? I grew up listening to it every day from my dad. From the age of 10 he started referring to me as the "woman of the house" and flat out told me that it was my responsibility to take care of him.

 

[mylilnikita]

lol oh let me count the ways.
But anyone female that has gone in for a gyno procedure: biopsies, iud insertion etc big proof of it.

Or as we can see on social media where some males won’t take no for any answer even with simple situations. Then we say we would choose the bear and people wonder why?

Should we protected by mysogyny? Well duh. But we aren’t and we won’t be at least not in our lifetime.

 

[texaslover]

I believe in it because I've lived it and many female friends have had the same experiences. I mean working a corporate job in the 80's and 90's required working harder, longer, and being better prepared than the men plus fending off unwanted touch and words while you were doing it. Women are also expected to take on the brunt of house work and child rearing even if they are working more hours or make more money than a partner. And I haven't even gone down the Andrew Tate/alpha male road - that's just a big ball of misogyny.

Not sure what can protect us other than civil rights laws, being strong and independent, and being woman's women by lifting each other up.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Some people still believe women shouldn't have leadership roles in business or govt. How exactly you propose to "protect people" from having those sorts of beliefs I have no idea.

Laws help, before 1974 a woman could not have credit without a male cosign, see below.


People can't be stopped from being awful but the institutions can't lawfully diminish women as openly as they once did.

 

[NaptownMom]

Laws help, before 1974 a woman could not have credit without a male cosign, see below.

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People can't be stopped from being awful but the institutions can't lawfully diminish women as openly as they once did.

That's not *quite* right. It wasn't illegal for a woman to have credit, it WAS legal to discriminate on the basis of sex or marital status.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Yes, I do believe it exists. I see it everywhere, any day of the week. It's ingrained, hard to shatter and end.

 

[LuvOrlando]

That's not *quite* right. It wasn't illegal for a woman to have credit, it WAS legal to discriminate on the basis of sex or marital status.

Focusing on a term I didn't use, I didn't say it was illegal for a woman to have credit. Truth is it wasn't illegal to systemically deny woman credit, but it was simply morally disgusting.

 

[citruscurtis]

Well... after reading and researching

My question ...is it equitable to compare women who have risen thru the ranks by election to women who are white collar workers in the field of business

From Oregon I discovered that more and more boards and councils are seated with women as the majority by election who in turn advanced women to roles of leadership...a electoral that has male voters

Another observation is that Oregon may very well never have another male governor as more women are advanced to high profile positions

As for the 2 senators going to DC... that is a strange path in politics

My next observation is that I worked for 6 months in a national snack food industry...all three shifts had female foremen... and just occurred to me why....if you can't work under the direction of a woman..we don't want you working for us ... ratio of workers was 60/40.. the few men that did work there were machine operators. While it was a all woman crew when it came to the difficult task of seasoning the snack... I stayed on the new hire line where we stacked pallets and boxed product.... women were promoted much faster as a new hire than men

 

[ronandannette]

I believe in it because I've lived it and many female friends have had the same experiences. I mean working a corporate job in the 80's and 90's required working harder, longer, and being better prepared than the men plus fending off unwanted touch and words while you were doing it. Women are also expected to take on the brunt of house work and child rearing even if they are working more hours or make more money than a partner. And I haven't even gone down the Andrew Tate/alpha male road - that's just a big ball of misogyny.

Not sure what can protect us other than civil rights laws, being strong and independent, and being woman's women by lifting each other up.

I take exception to the bolded. If a woman has chosen a husband whose expectations of her and the relationship are oppressive, that's on her. We don't have quite the same ability to choose our bosses/corporate cultures, although I suppose on some level, quitting is always an option. Not that it should have to come to that and I truly don't believe there are many reputable companies in 2025 that haven't cleaned up their acts a lot since the 80's.

 

[NaptownMom]

Focusing on a term I didn't use, I didn't say it was illegal for a woman to have credit. Truth is it wasn't illegal to systemically deny woman credit, but it was simply morally disgusting.

Well, you said (and it is commonly said by otherwise reliable sources) that a woman could not have credit on her own. She could, OR she could be denied it on the basis of sex. It's a meaningful distinction; in one case it's the government denying the right, and in the other, it is private actors.

 

[texaslover]

I take exception to the bolded. If a woman has chosen a husband whose expectations of her and the relationship are oppressive, that's on her. We don't have quite the same ability to choose our bosses/corporate cultures, although I suppose on some level, quitting is always an option. Not that it should have to come to that and I truly don't believe there are many reputable companies in 2025 that haven't cleaned up their acts a lot since the 80's.

So if someone pops in and the house is a mess do you think they are going to have thoughts about the man or woman? Even if she makes more money and works more hours?

If the children are sick do people feel like the woman or man should stay home with them?

What percentage of women run the family calendar and make sure the kids get to their activities, get lunch made, get their extracurricular activities planned and attended, etc.? What percentage of men have the same expectation?

I agree that women shouldn't marry a man that doesn't meet their expectations for equality.

 

[ronandannette]

So if someone pops in and the house is a mess do you think they are going to have thoughts about the man or woman? Even if she makes more money and works more hours?

If the children are sick do people feel like the woman or man should stay home with them?

What percentage of women run the family calendar and make sure the kids get to their activities, get lunch made, get their extracurricular activities planned and attended, etc.? What percentage of men have the same expectation?

I agree that women shouldn't marry a man that doesn't meet their expectations for equality.

Who cares what "someone" thinks? They've got no power to affect your/my life. Is this how we're defining misogyny? That same "someone" could notice the lawn's weedy or the car isn't washed and think the man is slacking off. And as for anything inside the dynamic of the couple, it's is up to them to negotiate satisfactorily.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

I take exception to the bolded. If a woman has chosen a husband whose expectations of her and the relationship are oppressive, that's on her. We don't have quite the same ability to choose our bosses/corporate cultures, although I suppose on some level, quitting is always an option. Not that it should have to come to that and I truly don't believe there are many reputable companies in 2025 that haven't cleaned up their acts a lot since the 80's.

It's not just the husband. Schools, doctor's offices, daycares, etc. will default to calling the mother if they need to reach a parent EVEN IF YOU TELL THEM TO CALL THE FATHER. It's maddening. When you go into a furniture store or a car dealership with your husband, the salesperson will talk to the husband. My husband has explicitly said to these people sometimes 'My wife makes more than I do, she's the one making this purchase' and they will STILL talk directly to him and ignore me.

A boss I worked for recently was angry at a coworker of mine who took a few days off when his son was sick. His exact words when he admonished him later were "Doesn't your wife have sick time? Aren't sick kids her job?"

This same boss once tried to sign me up for training while I was going to be on maternity leave because 'you aren't going to be doing much anyway, babies are boring.'

When he found out I'd be closing my office door a few times a day to pump when I got back to work he threw up his hands and said that I'd be 'useless for most of the day.'

And then one time he was trying to plan for a project and straight up asked me if I was pregnant. I was shocked, but said no. And he followed that up with 'well, are you planning to be because that would be really inconvenient.'

Later in a meeting full of men when I was the only woman present and pregnant, he counted back on his fingers and then said, "I guess your husband had a lot of fun in June, huh?"