do we have any rights--rental property next door

[Dznypal]

thanks for the info starry

so far we have a notebook of all calls to police and the alderman

the police were trying to get a meeting with the tribe that owns the house but so far no updates on that and Ive asked

when the police called us about a meeting and asked if we wanted to be there--I told them yes of course we will be there and that's the last I heard of that--so I'm guessing the tribe either never got back to the police or said no

we just have to wait and see

 

[Dznypal]

its funny cause someone said to kill them with kindness

that's what DH does--he always waves

me not so much I feel dumb knowing I'm waving with one hand and calling police with the other you might say passive/aggressive

 

[kaytieeldr]

know Milwaukee real estate or areas at all

Which is why i started my response with exactly that

I know nothing about the Milwaukee real estate market, or neighborhoods.

it wasn't a guess, or me seeking reassurance. Plain, simple fact.

 

[Dancind]

Also check with your city's Housing / construction Enforcement web site. We have a house next to ours in Portland OR with renters, and a search shows there have been FOUR violations and inspections recorded for garbage, maintenance, nuisance etc. The last was in 2013, I think it's about time for another one. Last time I took a good look, the front door was missing and there were several abandoned cars on the property. I think the owner must be out of state or something.

 

[Pumbaa_]

Dzny life is short. Your current home does not bring you peace and joy. Nor can you have your grandchild over. Heartbreaking

Have you talked to a bank about a mortgage? Unless and until you do you don’t know if you can move

Your neighborhood seems to be going south. Who wants to live like that? Are there any potential rentals in the are you want to live? Or a couple neighborhoods away?

Is this how you want to spend your retirement?

 

[Dznypal]

yes it is heartbreaking but nothing will change--don't want to step on toes you know--they can live their life they way they want--whos stopping

them yet we cant because of them--

as far as the house and mortgage goes--we have gotten pre qualified on just my DH SS and pension but we don't want to be cash poor and house rich

right now were debt free--work basically when we want (when there short at our jobs) and can come and go as we want

but these people break the law police come all they do is talk too

I just found out there has to be 3 calls to the police in a 30 day period for the house to be a nuiance property

looking back at my notes were always a little short on these numbers

there is no place in this city we would ever want to move too-it is going south--more so now that the city was dumb enough to stop the residency rule for police and fire--all of them flew out of the city

oh well

 

[robinb]

I would be very upset with all that you have reported here and I live in the middle of small city. What the tenants are doing is not acceptable. I can't believe that anyone would really be OK with traffic in/out of the house at all times, loud parties, loudness in the middle of the night, domestic abuse, urinating in public, harassment, and broken windows. No one should have to live next to people who act like that.

 

[NHdisneylover]

yes it is heartbreaking but nothing will change--don't want to step on toes you know--they can live their life they way they want--whos stopping

them yet we cant because of them--

as far as the house and mortgage goes--we have gotten pre qualified on just my DH SS and pension but we don't want to be cash poor and house rich

right now were debt free--work basically when we want (when there short at our jobs) and can come and go as we want

but these people break the law police come all they do is talk too

I just found out there has to be 3 calls to the police in a 30 day period for the house to be a nuiance property

looking back at my notes were always a little short on these numbers

there is no place in this city we would ever want to move too-it is going south--more so now that the city was dumb enough to stop the residency rule for police and fire--all of them flew out of the city

oh well

I am normally very much in the not being cash poor and house rich. However, if your evaluations of behaviors are correct and the two houses on either side of you are BOTH drug houses (this one, next door, and the other one from your thread last fall, which you also said was next door, thus my thinking this is on both sides), well, that doesn't sound like a one neighbor issue or something likely to go away.

If you dislike everything about the city so much, and are basically retired such that you can only work when you want anyway--perhaps you should look into moving somewhere you CAN afford after selling your current home.

 

[luvsJack]

Follow this advice and it won't be long before there are memes of you all over the internet. Calling the police for minor, petty things is ridiculous.

If you are that unhappy, move.

Nothing she described was petty. She can’t have her own grandchildren in her home because of their actions. They do not have the right to effect her life like that. Much of what she describes is illegal.

I am all about live and let live but this is over the line.

 

[luvsJack]

I live in Brooklyn, New York. Loud noise are common. Kids on my block and the block behind me are blasting fireworks all night long. This will be occurring for the next two weeks. Fireworks are illegal here. Are my neighbors and I calling the cops? Nope


I don't sit on my stoop or in the window watching the comings and goings of my neighbors and their guests. The idea that you should know who is supposed to be living in that house is bizarre to me. You don't isn the property so who really lives there is none of your business.

Oh for pete’s sakes. I know who is supposed to live in my neighbors houses and I can’t even see their houses. And no I don’t care what they do.

If they are disturbing the peace and stepping on her right to live in her home peacefully then THEY are wrong not the OP.

There is a whole big world out here, not everything should be based on how it is in Brooklyn NY.

Stop trying to find a race problem where there isn’t one. This is a bad neighbor problem.

 

[luvsJack]

Y’all do realize that neighbors like these are likely going to prevent her from selling her house. She can’t just leave it. Who would buy it?

 

[Suger Mag]

yes it is heartbreaking but nothing will change--don't want to step on toes you know--they can live their life they way they want--whos stopping

them yet we cant because of them--

as far as the house and mortgage goes--we have gotten pre qualified on just my DH SS and pension but we don't want to be cash poor and house rich

right now were debt free--work basically when we want (when there short at our jobs) and can come and go as we want

but these people break the law police come all they do is talk too

I just found out there has to be 3 calls to the police in a 30 day period for the house to be a nuiance property

looking back at my notes were always a little short on these numbers

there is no place in this city we would ever want to move too-it is going south--more so now that the city was dumb enough to stop the residency rule for police and fire--all of them flew out of the city

oh well

IDK, something seems just off about all this... you keep saying they are breaking the law all the time, dealing drugs, getting in fights, harassing people, breaking windows... every day, all day you and your neighbors are calling the police (which you document in your notebook), but it is not more than 3x a month? Something is not adding up.

If what you describe is accurate, then why only 3 times a month, I would think it would be 3 times a week? Are you calling and calling the police, they come and nothing results of it? Maybe you need to speak to someone higher up in the force about taking your complaints more seriously.

Or .... it is not as bad as you are making it out to be, which would make more sense with less than 3 calls a month on average, and nothing being done by the police. While you may not agree with their lifestyle, they have the right to live as they see fit (within the law of course). It is a free country in theory, if they are breaking the law, call the cops, many, many times if necessary to deal with the illegality. But if they are not REALLY breaking the law, and it is more that you do not like their lifestyle, then the responsibility for your happiness is on you... not them. They have no responsibility to make you happy.

So... they are being so egregious that your family does not want to visit for fear of safety, and both you and your neighbors are calling the police all the time ....why do you want to stay there at all? You seem to have all these reasons for not being able to move, despite being in a position that is more mobile than most: over 60, no dependents living with you, semi-retired, no major debts etc. I get it, moving is not easy, but not once have you mentioned that you love your hood, you love the house, love your neighbors etc. From what you describe for that house (and the other houses also) seems like something you would WANT to get away from ASAP.

Since you have the freedom to move, maybe downsizing is a smart idea now... rather than looking for another 3-4 bedroom house in a more upscale neighborhood, maybe a nice condo in a nice neighborhood (or even two condos... think vacation home for those grandkids... with some rental income to offset the new mortgage).

 

[Nancyg56]

Oh for pete’s sakes. I know who is supposed to live in my neighbors houses and I can’t even see their houses. And no I don’t care what they do.

If they are disturbing the peace and stepping on her right to live in her home peacefully then THEY are wrong not the OP.

There is a whole big world out here, not everything should be based on how it is in Brooklyn NY.

Stop trying to find a race problem where there isn’t one. This is a bad neighbor problem.

I agree. We had a home that was rented out by the homeowner a few doors down from me. The family was a nightmare. The police were often called, and if anyone was "caught" causing problems for these tenants they were intimidated. Finally I had enough and organized my neighbors to call the homeowner every time there was a problem. Yes, we get woken up with scream yelling, etc, he got woken up. When there were police called the landlord got called too. The yard is an eyesore and you sick of raking their leaves? Call the landlord. I don't care who owns the house, they are accountable for their tenants, and they need to be involved.

 

[cabanafrau]

I agree. We had a home that was rented out by the homeowner a few doors down from me. The family was a nightmare. The police were often called, and if anyone was "caught" causing problems for these tenants they were intimidated. Finally I had enough and organized my neighbors to call the homeowner every time there was a problem. Yes, we get woken up with scream yelling, etc, he got woken up. When there were police called the landlord got called too. The yard is an eyesore and you sick of raking their leaves? Call the landlord. I don't care who owns the house, they are accountable for their tenants, and they need to be involved.

I'm guessing that approach might not generate as much urgency on the part of the tribe. No doubt phone calls would be going to an office number that is monitored during business hours.

 

[Nancyg56]

I'm guessing that approach might not generate as much urgency on the part of the tribe. No doubt phone calls would be going to an office number that is monitored during business hours.

I know, and that is unfortunate. Same with a property management company. Most will not go directly to the manager, so they are not as pressing.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

To all those who blaming poster. I’m a white guy, had bad white neihbors. It’s a horrible experince. You really fear calling things in/etc...
ethnicity does not matter.

 

[cabanafrau]

To all those who blaming poster. I’m a white guy, had bad white neihbors. It’s a horrible experince. You really fear calling things in/etc...
ethnicity does not matter.

I think that's precisely the point made by "the blamers".

 

[dakotix]

We lived next to a horrible neighbor for almost a decade. It was awful and we were powerless because you can't really do anything since everybody has a right to live wherever and do whatever. One day he took an AR15 and threatened his sister at her house while boasting he was going to shoot all of his neighbors. He was arrested and put in jail for over a year. His house went into foreclosure and then we bought it. Gotta love karma.

 

[Suger Mag]

To all those who blaming poster. I’m a white guy, had bad white neihbors. It’s a horrible experince. You really fear calling things in/etc...
ethnicity does not matter.

Not to sound like a newbie, but I have fortunately never had to deal with a bad neighbor, so I am naive indeed in this situation, but I did live in West Oakland in the 90's so I am not clueless about what happens in a bad neighborhood... but how do things get better if no one does anything? Unless people do call things in, it is not going to change.

 

[Hrhpd]

I would be very upset with all that you have reported here and I live in the middle of small city. What the tenants are doing is not acceptable. I can't believe that anyone would really be OK with traffic in/out of the house at all times, loud parties, loudness in the middle of the night, domestic abuse, urinating in public, harassment, and broken windows. No one should have to live next to people who act like that.

I have to agree with the pp upthread that things just don't add up.

The OP says all this terrible stuff is happening on a daily basis, yet between herself AND all her neighbors, there are 2 or less calls in an entire month? The OP herself has said she has only spoken to the police once.

If it is this bad, how come the OP AND all the neighbors are not calling the police. It only takes 3 calls in a month to get the police to call the house a nuisance and yet the OP and her neighbors can't even make that very, very low threshold?

Something is not adding up...at all.

yes it is heartbreaking but nothing will change--don't want to step on toes you know--they can live their life they way they want--whos stopping

them yet we cant because of them--

as far as the house and mortgage goes--we have gotten pre qualified on just my DH SS and pension but we don't want to be cash poor and house rich

right now were debt free--work basically when we want (when there short at our jobs) and can come and go as we want

but these people break the law police come all they do is talk too

I just found out there has to be 3 calls to the police in a 30 day period for the house to be a nuiance property

looking back at my notes were always a little short on these numbers

there is no place in this city we would ever want to move too-it is going south--more so now that the city was dumb enough to stop the residency rule for police and fire--all of them flew out of the city

oh well