do u go on vacation if ur poor??

ITA.

(We are) here today, gone tomorrow. Sadly, its quite possible.

Its a *definite* with our children.

:cloud9:

I'd rather die with a heart full of sweet memories rather than a bank full of money.
:)

I understand where you're coming from, but there is a difference between:
A.) Vacation/Family Together Time VS. A Bankful of Money
B.) Vacation/Family Together Time VS. no money when the car dies and no way to pay a newer car loan.

That's a HUGE difference.

I wasn't going to post, because threads like this really bother me, but I decided to anyway. In my opinion if you want to take your family on vacation, do it. If it's important to you and your family, do it. I don't care if you a mortgage, CC debt, car loans...whatever. Only you can make that choice. This is a somewhat emotional issue for me.

I have strong feelings about this because I knew a woman that died at age 40 of cancer. For years she said that she wanted to take her kids to WDW, but she and her husband were following some kind of financial plan and paying off debt and cars and also putting so much into savings a month. She died without ever taking her 3 kids to WDW, or really any big vacation. I'm sorry, I know some people will disagree with me, but I think memories of a vacation would mean more to those kids than the fact that their mom's car was paid off when she died.

I'm not saying that people should go into major debt to take a vacation, I'm just saying that life should not only be about sacrifice and going without. Sometimes you need to just live and enjoy life.

Again, I get what you are saying. But, they could have lost the car or house when mom died if they still had debts that dad couldn't handle on his own. And that sort of thing is going to make life for dad and the kids a whole lot more difficult after mom passed. I wouldn't want to burden my family like that either.

I really think that there are ways to spend quality family time without spending a lot of money. If the OP is truly strapped, I think they should get creative and find some of those options rather than delaying debt payoff any longer than necessary. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here whose parents/grandparents never took a vacation in their life and they still have fond memories of their family time together.
 
When DH and I first got together and he was finishing school, we did not have a lot of money. Our first real (not day/weekend) trip was to Miami, FL. Our friends let us use a nice condo for a week and all we had to pay for was air (cheap then,) rental car and food. We had a blast. Our honeymoon was to WDW but we went a few month later in December to see the decorations. We had the Food and Fun plan and it made the trip super cheap with lots of great food! The next year I was working at a travel agency and got great deals. We went to Cancun for our 1 year anniversary. It was about $300 for air, transfers and hotel for the 2 of us and again we only had to buy our meals. Vacation has always been a priority for us though.
 
We are a low income family with little debt and no savings... we havent been on a vacation in 4 years. we have taken day trips to local places but you still come back to the stresses at the end of the day. Hubby and i are thinking of taking some of our tax return $ that is coming and putting some away for savings and some for a low budget 3 or 4 days..we are in jersey so we are thinking maybe herhey or busch gardens. We feel that maybe its time to take a few days with the family to destress and spend more than one day together. Question is, is it irresponsible of us when we are so very tight with cash or do you see it as a positive? please tell us what you all are doing? oh and moving to a cheaper place isnt possible to save $, it would compromise our safety where we are. Thanks.

Up in Pennsylvania is an amusement park Knoebels, very cheap, very clean...great place... no admission price.. you only pay per ride... we camped there and had a great time!
 
I haven't read anything past the 1st page so I'm sure I'm repeating some people.

First of all, define Vacation.
(leisure time away from work devoted to rest or pleasure)
Second settle for a "middle ground" in your financial planning & vacation choice.

What I mean is you have to make sure you are making financially right decsions based on your family needs. Do you have the cash money to pay all the bills you have due this month, cover the complete TRUE cost of the "vacation" and also, have a little something to fall back on incase an emergency came up? if the answer is yes, then, yes, go on a vacation that is within your budget. this may be WDW. it may be a trip to Europe. It may be a small day trip type vacation somewhere nearby. Only you know what your budget is.

I am a firm beliver of planning for your future and that decisions you make today impact your tomorrow. I also don't like extreme's of anything. I don't agree w/ the theroy of saving evey extra penny so that you can retire or fully fund your childs college education etc. I also don't agree with spending every extra penny because you have to "live for today before tradgey strikes" Pick a middle ground.

O/T: We went to WDW this past Christmas/NYE. We are Dave Ramsey followers (joined his program Oct 2010) and have completed Babystep1 ($1,000 in bank) and Babystep 2 (all debt except house paid off ($1126 in credit card debt) and are working on Babystep #3 (3-6 months of living expenses) We drove down to Fl from Va in our very reliable but out of warrenty van. on the way down there, we went through a snow storm (Va & North Carolina) and the most random thing happened.... all the sudden our windshield wipers broke.. the motor burned out and the arm that connects the wipers to the moter broke and during a severe snow storm on I95 we suddenly did not have wipers... uh.. this was not "optional". Because we had some extra funds in the bank, we did not have to worry about this completly unexpected expense.... and it did not impact the $ we had set aside for our vacation... we stopped for a few hours, had it fixed and continued on our way. Fast forward about 3 & 1/2 weeks... our 2nd vehicle which is also reliable, but is also a little older so starting to have the occasional problem all of the sudden needed the entire cooling system replaced..(radator etc).. again.. unexpected and would have been devestating had we not had the extra $ in the bank to cover it and not impact our current bills (esp since we had just gotten back from vacation!) now we are back to having to fund our small emergency fund, but we did not have to get behind on any of our current stuff to get to this point again (and as we both work F/T we it would be a HUGE problem to only have 1 car)...

the thing is a few years ago, we would NOT have had the extra $ in the bank, so would have really been strapped for cash after incident #1 and #2 combined and would prob have gotten behind on some of our bills.....

You have to plan for tomorrow but you also have to live in today. Sorry for rambling!
 

Moderation is in most aspects of life is important.

I would not take a vacation while I had debt other than a reasonable mortgage and car payment. Both can be categorized as "good" debt.
 
I would have to say vacation, but spend nothing that you wouldn't have spent if you stayed home. Have you looked at home swap sites? I'd personally be a little wary but some people have great track records and reference history.
Also what about all those groupon type sites? I know my local group deal sites often have deals for amusement places and even hotels. Our local library system even has passes for many of the museums, zoos, heritage parks - all for free. Check out different regions tourism websites for deals. Hunt, you'll find things. Plan accordingly. You'd be surprised what you can find for free.
 
I would say GO....I'm by no means do I make good $$ but I make it a priority to take a yearly trip or two with my boys. I save save & save thru out the year, do surveys, garage sales, etc.. My oldest son is almost 17 & my youngest is 10 & we agree that we have had the BEST times on our vacations. Hotels can be cheap (Priceline, expedia, hotwire, etc) bring your own breakfast/lunch food, watch Restaurant.com to have another 80 or 90% offer on their certificates.

Good Luck with your decison......:wizard:
 
I wasn't going to post, because threads like this really bother me, but I decided to anyway. In my opinion if you want to take your family on vacation, do it. If it's important to you and your family, do it. I don't care if you a mortgage, CC debt, car loans...whatever. Only you can make that choice. This is a somewhat emotional issue for me.

I have strong feelings about this because I knew a woman that died at age 40 of cancer. For years she said that she wanted to take her kids to WDW, but she and her husband were following some kind of financial plan and paying off debt and cars and also putting so much into savings a month. She died without ever taking her 3 kids to WDW, or really any big vacation. I'm sorry, I know some people will disagree with me, but I think memories of a vacation would mean more to those kids than the fact that their mom's car was paid off when she died.

I'm not saying that people should go into major debt to take a vacation, I'm just saying that life should not only be about sacrifice and going without. Sometimes you need to just live and enjoy life.

I totally agree with this!!!!!! While it is true that maybe the devastating loss of the mom/wife wasnt made even more difficult because they were financially secure and werent worried about losing their house or cars. HOWEVER, speaking as somone who lost her Dad at a fairly young age, all the financial comforts in the world can't make up for the comforts of happy memories. I say take the vacation!!!!
 
I didn't read any of the previous posts, but yes I think you should take a vacation. I grew up in a family with little money. We took a vacation every year. I grew up in New York. There are many places you can go. We even camped to save money on lodging. One thing I would suggest doing is making part of the trip a present. My niece has a very tight budget and so she took the money she would have spent at Christmas and bought her son a Six Flags Season Pass. Now he can go all summer and it isn't another toy just laying around the house. They can also take a 3-4 day trip down to San Antonio and use the pass there at Fiesta Texas. My own DD loves to go camping and we have seen many National Parks doing this.
 
We do not have the highest income either, but I'd say go for it. The memories you will spend with your children are priceless.

I would just save up the money ahead of time to go on vacation. It sounds as if you will have the cash via your tax returns. Make sure you sit down and make a budget, allowing for hotel, travel, food and entertainment. There is nothing wrong with stopping at a rest area and having sandwiches rather than eating at McD's on the way there. You can research cheap things to do in the area. Planning ahead is your friend!!!

I agree with the others here...you can't take it with you. Your kids will love the trip and time spent with you.
 
My son will be out of high school when I am 41, so that wouldn't work for me.
My oldest started middle school just about the time we paid off our house; at that time we were able to begin to take some really great trips with our kids -- at the age they were really able to enjoy them!
That can go both ways, though. We know people who were all about planning for the future and now, as they sit in paid-off homes with cushy retirement accounts at their peak earning years, they wish they'd been less thrifty when their kids were small because all the money in the world can't get those years of working overtime/weekends and never vacationing back.
Ah, but you sound as if we didn't do anything fun in those years while we were making financial responsibility a priority. Without looking at our many scrapbooks, here are a couple things I remember from our "lean years":

- Friday nights when the girls were little, we'd get a bucket of Kentucky Fried chicken and meet Dad after work at the park. We'd eat a picnic dinner and let the girls play 'til dark.
- I used to be in charge of the prom, and my girls were just hankering to go. So my husband would go over early with me (being a chaperone, I always had to be there early), and he'd bring the girls. They'd dress up and he'd get them each a flower. They'd dance on the empty dance floor (they didn't realize there was no music) and snag a cup of punch. Before the high schoolers started arriving, he'd take them out to a special daddy-daughter dinner -- they always chose Pizza Hut.
- We did so many craft-y and cooking type things with the kids when they were younger. Things that cost almost nothing: For example, we don't get snow much, but we used to fill squirt bottles with food-coloring water and paint masterpieces out in the yard. The kids still talk about that. And we used to make these massive doll-apartments out of gallon milk jugs -- we'd add onto our monstrocity every week. So many things like that.
- We have family that lives at the beach, and many times we've packed a cooler full of sandwiches and gone out for a couple hours of night fishing. It was great to be the only ones on the beach.
- We started them camping in the backyard, and then "moved up" to real camping. One thing they used to really enjoy was camping on Halloween weekend, when all the campers at the state park nearest us used to bring pumpkins and have competitions.
- All our memories from those years aren't good. I remember once we took a wrong hiking trail, and we had to push the girls beyond their endurance level. By the time we realized our mistake, it was better to keep going than to backtrack, but we were very afraid of being caught up on that mountain after dark without food, water, and adequate clothing. That was bad.

Do you really think my kids have no special, unique memories of their childhood?

Spending more money does not equal better memories. And you're ignoring the benefit to the kids: In middle school and high school their travels have been more frequent and more diverse than those of their friends (since we live on the East Coast, few of their friends have seen the Grand Canyon and I don't know anyone else who's been on a buffalo safari). We can write a check for each of them to have a new car to take to college. They won't need to concern themselves with student loans, and they won't need to support us financially in our old age. Is this worth the trade-off of having done lots of camping and family-visiting in their earliest years? Yep, sure is.

Living frugally and saving in our early married years was the best choice we could've made FOR OUR CHILDREN as well as for ourselves. Rather than shorting them in any way, being frugal has allowed us to give them much more.
That's us too. When I'm 40, we'll have two in college. If we'd stayed in our old house that's about when we'd have gotten the mortgage paid off - 12 years ahead of schedule on a fixed 30 year loan - but there's no way we'd forgo vacations for our older kids' entire childhoods to accomplish that a few months or years earlier.
When you say it that way, it sounds extreme. When you look at my reality, it isn't. We lived frugally so we could pay off all our debts before we were 40; I do not anticipate borrowing for anything again ever. And my kids have had LOTS of vacations. They just didn't have traditional, expensive, stay-in-a-hotel and spend money vacations in their earliest years.
I'd rather die with a heart full of sweet memories rather than a bank full of money.
Why do you assume it must be an either-or situation? Why not have both?
I am now almost 30 and growing up we could only afford day trips. Once we spent 3 days at a hotel with an indoor pool and I thought I had gone to heaven :lmao: I have great memories of those trips and my husband and I still love day trips!
Yeah, we did lots of that type of thing when the kids were smaller! We went with my husband on a number of business conferences, which was free except for our meals. And a number of times we took the kids to an inexpensive hotel mid-winter so they could swim in an indoor pool.
 
Just like MrsPete, I don't adhere to the idea that making memories with your children needs to be expensive. I make a good living but am pretty frugal. We bought a travel trailer a few years ago and enjoy taking our kids camping as much as we can. Last year we took them on 2 different weeklong camping trips. One was to our church's family camp. That one cost less than $250 for the entire week. The other one was to a local Yogi Bear campground. While at the Yogi Bear we did day trips. The total for that trip was around $600. Then in the fall we took a trip out west to the Grand Canyon and California. You don't want to know what that one cost.

In any case, when I asked my older son age 11 what his favorite memory from all the trips was, he said building a giant fort out of wood he found in the forest at the Yogi Bear campground. My boys gathered the wood and then built 2 foot high forts out of pieces of wood and rocks and then pretended their troops were fighting each other. They played with these forts at least a couple of hours a day that week. Needless to say, I was a bit let down. I had spent months researching our great trip out West. I personally will never forget watching the sun rise over the Grand Canyon but my kids preferred picking up sticks at the campground.

Sometimes I think adults plan these vacations more for themselves than their children. I can recall a few times at Disney World my kids crying to go swim at the hotels and me pushing them to take one more character photo.
 
I would not do it. Years and Years ago when my husband and I first got together we both had debt and for years we didn't vacation and in the end we look back and realize we made the right decision.
 
In any case, when I asked my older son age 11 what his favorite memory from all the trips was, he said building a giant fort out of wood he found in the forest at the Yogi Bear campground. My boys gathered the wood and then built 2 foot high forts out of pieces of wood and rocks and then pretended their troops were fighting each other. They played with these forts at least a couple of hours a day that week. Needless to say, I was a bit let down. I had spent months researching our great trip out West. I personally will never forget watching the sun rise over the Grand Canyon but my kids preferred picking up sticks at the campground.

Sometimes I think adults plan these vacations more for themselves than their children. I can recall a few times at Disney World my kids crying to go swim at the hotels and me pushing them to take one more character photo.

:laughing: I love Disney like all the posters here - but like all kids - my kids really preferred the Pop Century Pool to almost every thing else on our last trip... We would get up in the morning, get out the door to catch the bus for rope drop, and we'd be just arriving at the Magic Kingdom and my kids were saying, "When can we go back to the pool?"

We have a lot of very fond memories of our last Disney World Vacation - but my kids would love to build a fort with sticks - and they'd love to go to any nice hotel pool...
 
I would not do it. Years and Years ago when my husband and I first got together we both had debt and for years we didn't vacation and in the end we look back and realize we made the right decision.
Being in debt and being "poor" or low income are 2 different things.

I've read plenty on financial boards of people who can't figure out how to make ends meet living paycheck to paycheck making it out that they are "poor" only to find that they are struggling and sinking with a $150,000 salary and average annual bonus of $85,000. That isn't being poor or low income at all.
 
My oldest started middle school just about the time we paid off our house; at that time we were able to begin to take some really great trips with our kids -- at the age they were really able to enjoy them!

Thats wonderful. I'm glad it worked out for you that way!

But for many, *starting middle school AND being with our kids* might be an oxymoron. Doesn't mean the kids are awful; they're just at the stage of pulling away, starting to separate from their parents, esentially growing up.

Like much in parenting, if its not taught or started when they're young, its much MUCH more difficult. People who wait to travel *until kids are older* often find the kids don't want to go *just* with their parents. Sad, but true part of growing up.

We started traveling when our kids were very young, mostly road trips because they were more affordable. We didn't do it because we anticipated them not wanting to join us later, but sure glad we started when we did.
As they've grown older, they still love vacations with us as a family. Even the oldest in high school can't wait for both spring break and summer vacation with us, and of our 4, he may be the *coolest* .... if you know what I mean ;)

My big bro's kids are in college or just out, all *cool* (ie normal ;) ) and they too started traveling as a family when they were babies. They're ALL going on spring break together AND a long summer vacation. It takes lots of juggling and patience to get everyone together, but they all work at it, and always have a great time together.

I can't help but think, and seriously doubt, that any of our kids would choose that IF they hadn't started traveling with us in their young years.

JMO :goodvibes
 
Do you really think my kids have no special, unique memories of their childhood?

Not all all. We couldn't afford to really travel with our kids - and not in a "we won't travel until we're debt free" sense - until they were 4 & 7 and we still managed to make a lot of special memories before that.

Spending more money does not equal better memories. And you're ignoring the benefit to the kids: In middle school and high school their travels have been more frequent and more diverse than those of their friends (since we live on the East Coast, few of their friends have seen the Grand Canyon and I don't know anyone else who's been on a buffalo safari). We can write a check for each of them to have a new car to take to college. They won't need to concern themselves with student loans, and they won't need to support us financially in our old age. Is this worth the trade-off of having done lots of camping and family-visiting in their earliest years? Yep, sure is.

But the OP's question wasn't about an expensive vacation, it was about the camping/frugal variety. And the reality for many people is that delaying travel until all debts are paid and all the future savings are fully funded is to not travel at all while the children are still at home. Just using median figures a typical American household has an income of around 50K; paying off a mortgage and fully funding college and retirement before taking vacation just isn't possible for most people.

The important thing is to get to that point eventually - where college doesn't mean a large debt load and the kids won't be supporting you in retirement. I don't think one needs to be in that place before taking some time and money out of the daily grind to enjoy traveling while the kids are still small.

BTW - Where did you do the buffalo safari? We're experimenting with actually closing up DH's business for a week this summer to be able to travel in warmer weather for a change. If it works out we're going to be doing more "see the USA" roadtrips and that sounds like it would be a really cool experience!
 
Quote Collen 27---But the OP's question wasn't about an expensive vacation, it was about the camping/frugal variety. And the reality for many people is that delaying travel until all debts are paid and all the future savings are fully funded is to not travel at all while the children are still at home. Just using median figures a typical American household has an income of around 50K; paying off a mortgage and fully funding college and retirement before taking vacation just isn't possible for most people.

The important thing is to get to that point eventually - where college doesn't mean a large debt load and the kids won't be supporting you in retirement. I don't think one needs to be in that place before taking some time and money out of the daily grind to enjoy traveling while the kids are still small. ----end Quote

This is exactly what I was thinking after reading a few posts about the topic of giving up traveling vacations until the kids are in Middle School. Then when the mortage is paid off, all money is put away to completely pay for college and retirement, as well as money to buy brand new cars for the kids when they go to college. I know many people that are most likely in the household income limit of 50K like mentioned above. For those people even giving up vacations for 10-12-13 years is not going to yield the results of mortgage paid off, retirement paid up, college paid for, new cars for the kids. I am sure that giving up vacations surely helped to achieve those goals. However, some people, no matter how much they give up are not going to be able to achieve those goals by the time their kids are in middle school. I also say take some time and money to enjoy traveling while the kids are small. To the OP, as I said before, go for it!!
 
Of course you can vacation if you're poor! Check out the camping options at the New Jersey State Parks website. Rent a campsite for $20/night. Choose one with a swimming beach. Buy an inexpensive tent (most campers don't like to loan out their tents) but you can probably borrow anything else you might need if you have friends who camp. You have to eat whether camping or at home, so there's no additional expense there. Cook over an open fire, hike in the woods, eat s'mores, watch the stars, read a book. . .I can't wait for our 10 day camping trip in August!

My husband grew up without a lot of $$ and his family camped all the time (and they still do.) If they could get there in the car and pitch their tent they were on it, and they travelled all over the United States with 5 kids and very little money.

Camping is still one of our favorite vacations- we took our kids, and now we take our granddaughters.
 
This is exactly what I was thinking after reading a few posts about the topic of giving up traveling vacations until the kids are in Middle School. Then when the mortage is paid off, all money is put away to completely pay for college and retirement, as well as money to buy brand new cars for the kids when they go to college. I know many people that are most likely in the household income limit of 50K like mentioned above. For those people even giving up vacations for 10-12-13 years is not going to yield the results of mortgage paid off, retirement paid up, college paid for, new cars for the kids. I am sure that giving up vacations surely helped to achieve those goals. However, some people, no matter how much they give up are not going to be able to achieve those goals by the time their kids are in middle school. I also say take some time and money to enjoy traveling while the kids are small. To the OP, as I said before, go for it!!

Exactly! For most people simply giving up vacations until the kids are in middle school does not amount to being able to pay off the mortgage, fund college and retirement completely and buy brand new cars for the kids when they go to college. DH and I are pretty thrifty and are working toward paying off our mortgage early, but our oldest will be in high school when we're done and we haven't been able to save much for college, nor retirement. There's only so much blood you can squeeze from a turnip. We definitely make our $$ go a long way, but there's only $X amount to begin with. Even skipping vacations for 10-13 years would not yield the results of a paid off mortgage, fully funded retirement accounts and college savings account, and cash left over to buy new cars. We're not even sure we want to pay for college 100% for our children either, because we want them to work for it and value it, which doesn't always happen when something is handed to you.
 














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