Do People Really.......???

[Ava]

I've read through this whole discussion of pool hopping and it baffles me that seemingly rational adults cannot grasp why it is against the rules. Anywhere you go that has a pool - whether it be a hotel, apartment complex, YMCA, etc. - that pool is for the use of guests, residents, or members only. It just seems like common sense to me. You get to use the pool at your hotel, and that's it. (Except in the case of sister resorts, which I never even thought about until I read it here, or DVC members.)

Unless it's not a case of not grasping the rules, it's a case of people who just think the rules do not apply to them. In that case I must say, who died and made you God?

 

[traciedee]

I don't really care what money saving ideas people use. But I don't get the hamburger thing-guess if we've ever wanted to share something we just split it in half. I would feel funny ordering an extra bun. But that's just me.

Pool hopping-now I have not been to WDW yet, but I have snuck in to a pool or two in my time for a dip when we are out and about. I can see why some folks get upset, but I don't think it's that big a deal as long as you don't abuse. (I promise not to pool hop when I am there in June-especially at the expensive resorts-- so don't worry)

 

[DISUNC]

So it is OK for you to overcrowd a pool that you are not paying to keep up and not using the one that you are keeping up and you see nothing wrong with this? So can I come to you home and use your car, for my errands. I would be on the road with a car anyway so no more cars on the road; thus no problem!!

So now Pool Hopping is Grand Larceny???????

 

[Disney Girlie-Wirlie]

You go girl! (or Guy?) My big point is WHY do people react so strongly to this? If you feel it is somehow unethical and a major breach of civil behavior, fine, don't do it. But, seriously if you get your dander up because you see a bathing suit on the monorail and it outrages you to think that person may be "pool hopping",when this affects you in no way, how do you manage in today's society with the real issues!

I completely agree.
How do people REALLY enjoy themselves when they are so worried about everyone else? People should just mind their own business and enjoy their own vacation. B/c the fact of the matter is that people who are getting their underwear in a knot over those who pool-hop or <GASP!> break the refillable mugs rule,etc,... really just aren't enjoying themselves, I don't care what they say. JUST REALX AND HAVE A GOOD TIME (for goodness sakes!!!)

 

[kimmikayb]

OK I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this but...

Does anyone else think that if you are so strapped for money that you resort ot some of these tactics, you really should be putting your money somewhere (ie, bills) other than Disney.

I know, I know, I can hear it... "Don't tell me how to spend MY money"

JMHO

Not a flame from me, but consider asking a family who has lost a child while waiting to "afford" a Disney vacation if they wish they would have just grasped life and thrown caution to the wind and gone? If you can make it happen you should go for it. Bills will always be there but child are sometimes lost and they do grow up.

 

[mom2of2]

I don't mean to sound cold hearted I just honestly don't understand how anyone could really enjoy their trip if they had to worry about setting up a meeting time & trying to find complete strangers to pass something off to or scoping out the strollers in front of an attraction & see which one you can "borrow" or buying someone elses USED mugs. As long as people aren't stealing or trying to get away with things they know they shouldn't I don't really care.

Not judging, just saying I don't understand. For me, I would rather stay 1 day less or at more economical resort than go to these extremes for what seems to be not alot of savings. But that's me.

I don't mean to sound cold hearted either but the Stroller Swap was about COMMUNITY! The Swap started the day the war broke out (March 20, 2003) and it meant a lot to the people that participated in the swap. The swaps were very simple, meet, swap, move on. I had a few where I shared an Illuminations Cruise, met for desert, watched fireworks etc but they were the exception to the rule. Most people just said hello and swapped. It saved people having to drag a stroller down here or spend the money to rent one but AGAIN....it wasn't done for that sole reason.
The DIS is a different place then it was 3 + years ago. Attitudes are different, the people are different. I stopped the swap about 6 months ago when the attitudes of people turned the swap into a "freebee" and they no longer cared. People began dropping off the stroller or leaving it places and that wasn't what it was about. The stroller was eventually lost.
For what it's worth....I organized the Swap from NJ and only moved to the WDW area a year ago.

 

[kimmikayb]

So now Pool Hopping is Grand Larceny???????

And how do they tell which pool swimmers are the theifs? When you stay at a deluxe or mod do you get tattooed? OR maybe when you check into the values this special sensor is placed under your skin (like they tag dogs now) and if you go into the wrong pool it sounds an alarm and the pool police come and haul you away???

Ok, seriously....I don't pool hop, I mean who would want to pack the kids up and change and then change again to go back to your hotel. And no matter what anyone says, it is WDW rules to not pool hop and I try to teach my kids to follow the rules.

Refillable mugs, we buy new everytime but then again we don't go every year. I really could care less what anyone else does.

Buy a extra bun, heck yes! For those who say just split it....have you ever sat down to eat with kids and split the burger? "MOM he got more" "MOM her half is bigger". Just easier to get another bun and they both have two full sandwiches!

Heard of the fake dirty diaper thing, but if someone wants your stroller they will take it, dirty diaper and all. We mark ours with bright bandanas so people don't take ours by mistake.

I've read about the swaps...I think it's a great idea to meet DIS friends. I love the idea of spreading extra pixie dust around!

 

[DrTomorrow]

It is the (flawed) logic in post such as these:

[...]
2.) Refillable mugs? [...] And yes, my son and daughter used to share "our" mugs before they got their own.

3.) [...] If they say you can't, then you should respect THEIR RULES. We try to follow all of the rules because I want my children to grow up right. If I tell them that the rules don't apply to me, that's how they'll end up growing up. Not on my watch.

4.) Free salad? If I bought a hamburger, I am entitled to take as much as I need/want from the fixin's bar. [...]

[You teach children to follow the rules, then share a refilliable mug meant for exactly one person with two or more? And carting out quart after quart of ketchup & mustard is morally OK solely because you "need" it? Yeesh]

AND

I don't get what the heck is so wrong with "pool hopping." I've spent an entire day checking out different resorts, and I pick my favorite pool and jump on in. If that's so wrong then sue me. I'm not taking any money away from anyone else, nor am I hurting the company in any way. If I wasn't in their pool I would just be in mine, so I'm not overcrowding. I guess I don't get the "concern."

[Written while totally ignoring the fact that each pool has a capacity based on the number of rooms at each resort. Brilliant!]

that explain why this debate will never be resolved.

Oh, and as for this all-too-common sentiment:

[...]and it outrages you to think that person may be "pool hopping",when this affects you in no way, how do you manage in today's society with the real issues!

I humbly submit that these ARE the foundation for the "real issues" in today's society. 'I got mine - to heck with you'; 'I can take as much as I want'; 'Who cares if I'm allowed to do it - I'll do it if I want to' and 'I believe in following the rules - until they cramp my style, then the rules are for everyone else'. A little less "me me me" and a little more courteous rule-following and everyone would be better off.

ETA: And what is even more disturbing is the sense of boastful pride that some folks exhibit when they violate the rules and get away with it....

IMHO - YMMV - Be well!

 

[mickeyfan2]

So now Pool Hopping is Grand Larceny???????

I am not taking it, I am just using another car. Since I have paid for a car I can use all cars and it is all good.

 

[DISUNC]

I completely agree.
How do people REALLY enjoy themselves when they are so worried about everyone else? People should just mind their own business and enjoy their own vacation. B/c the fact of the matter is that people who are getting their underwear in a knot over those who pool-hop or <GASP!> break the refillable mugs rule,etc,... really just aren't enjoying themselves, I don't care what they say. JUST REALX AND HAVE A GOOD TIME (for goodness sakes!!!)

I find these types of threads fun to read simply due to the ferocity of the Anti pool hoppers/refillable mug abusers responses.
Their replies are 'as if' they were dealing with someone who just admitted to a seriously heinous crime! Way OVER the Top responses.

Honestly I dont think any of the pool hopping/refillable mug abusing is at all WIDE SPREAD or the cause for any real concern. For the most part I think Pro PH/RM posters are just 'trolling"!

 

[Disney Girlie-Wirlie]

Seriously, I think people need to stop worrying about other people and what they do and just worry about themselves. We're not children here, we're adults who are cabaple of making their own decisions and who don't need to be scolded by the Disney Police.
If you don't agree with pool-hopping-then DON'T DO IT!
If you don't agree with the refillable mug issue-DON'T DO IT!

...But geez, don't worry so much about what other people do! If you disagree with what other people do then fine, but keep it to yourself, don't let it ruin your vacation, and let the WDW employees enforce the rules. Some people are so uptight.
And by the way NOOOOOO, these ARE NOT the real issues in society, nor are they the foundation of the real issues in society, not by a long shot.

...And just for the record-that thing about the Dirty diapers on strollers-EWWWWW!!! Never seen that one before.

 

[slug]

These things seem so inconvenient to me.

Who would want to walk from resort to resort in wet clothes?

I'd imagine that a bunch of old mugs would take up a lot of space in a suitcase. And then to carry them around the parks all day seem like a pain in the neck.

The burger sounds like a good idea but it would be easier just to cut the burger in half (It may even come already cut in half at some places) so that's what I'd do.

The diaper thing is still very disturbing to me - The fact that someone would steal a STROLLER? Let me just say, that if there is a God, then stealing an item like a stroller (or a pacifier, crib, or anything else baby-related) is going to punch your ticket to hell. Just a heads-up.

 

[rrkman]

I am just amazed by the logic (or lack of) being thrown around in here....

If you don't believe in it, don't do it. Does this count for everything or just pool hopping?

And also, because I am staying at the Poly and they have concierge...can I just go in and have a couple drinks and not pay for it?...I did pay to stay at WDW, didn't I?

 

[mickeyfan2]

And also, because I am staying at the Poly and they have concierge...can I just go in and have a couple drinks and not pay for it?...I did pay to stay at WDW, didn't I?

Sure you can.

 

[santonucci]

I completely agree.
How do people REALLY enjoy themselves when they are so worried about everyone else? People should just mind their own business and enjoy their own vacation. B/c the fact of the matter is that people who are getting their underwear in a knot over those who pool-hop or <GASP!> break the refillable mugs rule,etc,... really just aren't enjoying themselves, I don't care what they say. JUST REALX AND HAVE A GOOD TIME (for goodness sakes!!!)

It's not a matter of mind my own business.

It's a matter of right and wrong. And respect for the people around you. Rules are there for the good of everyone, and when people break them for their own benefit, it irks me.

Aside from the pools and the mugs, I see people smoking where they shouldn't be smoking. They don't care. That impacts me. I see people pushing their kids to the front of lines while I wait my turn. That impacts me. At what point do you make a "big deal" about something?

When you look at society as a whole, the main issue is that people think they somehow have no accountability for their own actions. The rules are not important, or they somehow are above it. Pool-hopping is theft of services, and while Disney retains the right to police it, I find it wrong. I book my vacations at the premium hotels because they have fewer rooms (and less people), better services, and a quieter atmosphere. When the "crashers" come in, they lower my vacation quality.

If you 'borrowed' my camera when I wasn't using it, and returned it when you were done, no one would argue that it was stealing. People see things differently when it's 2 people vs. a person and a corporate giant. And that's how they justify the victimless crime...

Steve

 

[dzorn]

Really - so with your logic, if I was in the AKL pool then I would be overcrowding that pool... Either way, there will be a body in a pool on the WDW property. Since I'm a Cast Member, this issue is irrelavant, because I can technically swim wherever I'd like. But is everyone in the resort going to be swimming on the same day at the same time? (I certainly hope not). So where do you get off telling me where people can and cannot swim? They paid just as much to get to WDW as you did.

No actually if you are staying at value and are using the Deluxe or Moderate Pools you are not paying as much to get to WDW. You are paying considerably less.

Denise

 

[mrsltg]

It's not a matter of mind my own business.

It's a matter of right and wrong. And respect for the people around you. Rules are there for the good of everyone, and when people break them for their own benefit, it irks me.

Aside from the pools and the mugs, I see people smoking where they shouldn't be smoking. They don't care. That impacts me. I see people pushing their kids to the front of lines while I wait my turn. That impacts me. At what point do you make a "big deal" about something?

When you look at society as a whole, the main issue is that people think they somehow have no accountability for their own actions. The rules are not important, or they somehow are above it. Pool-hopping is theft of services, and while Disney retains the right to police it, I find it wrong. I book my vacations at the premium hotels because they have fewer rooms (and less people), better services, and a quieter atmosphere. When the "crashers" come in, they lower my vacation quality.

If you 'borrowed' my camera when I wasn't using it, and returned it when you were done, no one would argue that it was stealing. People see things differently when it's 2 people vs. a person and a corporate giant. And that's how they justify the victimless crime...

Steve

ITA!!!

 

[dzorn]

I completely agree.
How do people REALLY enjoy themselves when they are so worried about everyone else? People should just mind their own business and enjoy their own vacation. B/c the fact of the matter is that people who are getting their underwear in a knot over those who pool-hop or <GASP!> break the refillable mugs rule,etc,... really just aren't enjoying themselves, I don't care what they say. JUST REALX AND HAVE A GOOD TIME (for goodness sakes!!!)

Maybe they cannot enjoy themselves because they cannot get a pool chair because they are being taken up by pool hoppers!!

Densie

 

[Disney Girlie-Wirlie]

It's not a matter of mind my own business.

It's a matter of right and wrong. And respect for the people around you. Rules are there for the good of everyone, and when people break them for their own benefit, it irks me.

Aside from the pools and the mugs, I see people smoking where they shouldn't be smoking. They don't care. That impacts me. I see people pushing their kids to the front of lines while I wait my turn. That impacts me. At what point do you make a "big deal" about something?

When you look at society as a whole, the main issue is that people think they somehow have no accountability for their own actions. The rules are not important, or they somehow are above it. Pool-hopping is theft of services, and while Disney retains the right to police it, I find it wrong. I book my vacations at the premium hotels because they have fewer rooms (and less people), better services, and a quieter atmosphere. When the "crashers" come in, they lower my vacation quality.

If you 'borrowed' my camera when I wasn't using it, and returned it when you were done, no one would argue that it was stealing. People see things differently when it's 2 people vs. a person and a corporate giant. And that's how they justify the victimless crime...

Steve

But I don't see how someone cutting you in line or smoking in your face compares to someone pool-hopping. I mean you have to admit they are 2 very different things. And I am a VERY respectful person, that's why I would never just cut someone in line and not think anything of it.
But, when someone cuts you in line, that is something they are doing DIRECTLY TO YOU. So, you have every right to say something to that person about it, b/c that is not fair. An when someone is smoking around you where they aren't supposed to, then that affects you directly b/c it affects your health.
But when someone is swimming in a pool of a hotel that they are not staying at, why do you let that "irk" you? It's doesn't affect you directly in any way. Can you pin-point the pool-hoppers? How do you even know who the pool-hoppers are? I mean, yeah, if there was ever a situation where Disney employees actually said to you 'No, you can't swim in this pool b/c it's over-capacity", which I've never heard of happening, then I would understand, and then instead of telling you you can't go in, they should tell the people who are guests to get out. But if that's not the case, and everyone is swimming and having a good time, no harm done, then how can that bother you so much?!

 

[safetymom]

I agree with Mom2of2. The stroller swap started out having people with great attitudes and a sense of community. As the swap went along people decided that they didn't need to keep their end of the bargain and left the stroller places and didn't let the organizer know where it was. It was free but you can't believe the attitudes of some people that were very picky.

It was designed to meet new people, exchange a stroller and not have to worry about bringing yours from home. It wasn't designed to fail to honor your obligation to pass the stroller along, to pass it along to someone dirty, or just leave it in a park and not care if someone picked it up.

It was a shame that the stroller was eventually lost because someone lost interest. It was a wonderful program while it lasted and there are lots of folks that enjoyed the program. It has nothing to do with having to cutting corners on their vacation in order to have a stroller.