Do People really believe this?

[Alaska DogCat]

Apparently a minister giving the invocation at a McCain rally delivered a prayer indicating that a win for Obama would be a blow for the God of Christians. From CNN.

DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.
“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport...



The McCain campaign has distanced itself from the remarks, but this is shocking to me. How does a man invited to make the invocation at public McCain rally come to believe somehow that the God of Barack Obama and the God of John McCain are somehow different?



Is this what it is going to come down to?



I am not voting for McCain, but I hope and pray (to the same God that Obama and McCain worship) that this great and courageous man does not allow his legacy to become one of hatred and loathing. If the people introducing the candidate are making these crappy references, what are the rank and file adherents thinking?

 

[freckles and boo]

Yes, people of "the cloth" can be idiots, too.

 

[yeartolate]

Apparently a minister giving the invocation at a McCain rally delivered a prayer indicating that a win for Obama would be a blow for the God of Christians. From CNN.

DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.
“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport...



The McCain campaign has distanced itself from the remarks, but this is shocking to me. How does a man invited to make the invocation at public McCain rally come to believe somehow that the God of Barack Obama and the God of John McCain are somehow different?



Is this what it is going to come down to?



I am not voting for McCain, but I hope and pray (to the same God that Obama and McCain worship) that this great and courageous man does not allow his legacy to become one of hatred and loathing. If the people introducing the candidate are making these crappy references, what are the rank and file adherents thinking?

Disgusting, and not what Jesus would do.

 

[FayeW]

Hhmmm. Looks like the Republican campaign has their own version of "Rev. Wright". Who'd a thunk it?

 

[What the Heck]

Hhmmm. Looks like the Republican campaign has their own version of "Rev. Wright". Who'd a thunk it?

Yea, if only McCain would go to his church until 2028 and it would be the same.

And you notice in the OP he doesn't say that Obama's God is different than McCain's God. He just said that other people are praying to THEIR god for Obama to win. Whether it was true or not, I don't think it was a smart thing to say, but to each their own.

 

[FayeW]

Yea, if only McCain would go to his church until 2028 and it would be the same.

And you notice in the OP he doesn't say that Obama's God is different than McCain's God. He just said that other people are praying to THEIR god for Obama to win. Whether it was true or not, I don't think it was a smart thing to say, but to each their own.

We have no idea what McCain has been hearing in church, just as we don't know every one of Rev Wright's sermons for the past 20 years, nor how many of them Obama was in attendance to hear.

 

[gaelic grace]

We have no idea what McCain has been hearing in church, just as we don't know every one of Rev Wright's sermons for the past 20 years, nor how many of them Obama was in attendance to hear.

One poorly worded prayer doesn't equal 20 years in the pew.

 

[FayeW]

One poorly worded prayer doesn't equal 20 years in the pew.

How do you know that was the first and only time this minister said something like this?

Do you have transcripts of the 1000+ sermons that Rev Wright gave over 20 years to prove that every sermon Obama heard while in attendance was inappropriate, racist, and/or anti-American?

 

[Alaska DogCat]

... other people are praying to THEIR god for Obama to win. Whether it was true or not, I don't think it was a smart thing to say, but to each their own.

I hate to correct the minister, but in the case of those praying to Allah, they are praying to the same God. The three main monotheistic religions (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) all stem from the same family tree and from the God of Abraham. Abraham brought the idea of the one true God to Israel with the mantra-"Hear oh Israel, the Lord Your God is One." All three religions claim to worship the God introduced by this man.

The Christian God and Allah are the same God.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Yeah, I think there's plenty of folks whose God is better than other folks' God.
If ya don't believe me, just ask some folks, they'll tell ya their God is better than other folks' God.

 

[Master Mason]

How do you know that was the first and only time this minister said something like this?

Do you have transcripts of the 1000+ sermons that Rev Wright gave over 20 years to prove that every sermon Obama heard while in attendance was inappropriate, racist, and/or anti-American?

If he sat there for one hate filled sermon and/or racist sermon without quiting it was one too many.

 

[Alaska DogCat]

If he sat there for one hate filled sermon and/or racist sermon without quiting it was one too many.

So, what does this have to do with a minister at a McCain rally saying that if Barack Obama wins, it would be counter to the God of Christians????

 

[What the Heck]

I hate to correct the minister, but in the case of those praying to Allah, they are praying to the same God. The three main monotheistic religions (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) all stem from the same family tree and from the God of Abraham. Abraham brought the idea of the one true God to Israel with the mantra-"Hear oh Israel, the Lord Your God is One." All three religions claim to worship the God introduced by this man.

The Christian God and Allah are the same God.

I know that, but we are talking about a pointy thick headed person, so he doesn't know the difference. And being pointy thick headed is a bipartisan thing too.

 

[What the Heck]

So, what does this have to do with a minister at a McCain rally saying that if Barack Obama wins, it would be counter to the God of Christians????

That would be in response to FayeW. She was saying that the one equaled the other.

 

[BuckNaked]

Do I believe that it would be an affront to the Christian God if Sen. Obama wins? I have no idea.

Do I pray every single day that Sen. Obama loses? You bet.

 

[shortbun]

Do I believe that it would be an affront to the Christian God if Sen. Obama wins? I have no idea.

Do I pray every single day that Sen. Obama loses? You bet.

You PRAY about this? I pray for God's guidance to our leaders but I've never prayed for God to influence an election. Interesting topic for another thread.

 

[BuckNaked]

You PRAY about this? I pray for God's guidance to our leaders but I've never prayed for God to influence an election. Interesting topic for another thread.

I too pray for God's guidance for our leaders, but I also believe that Sen. Obama is a dangerous choice for this country, so yes, I pray that he loses.

 

[bicker]

Folks shouldn't worry:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=28110035&postcount=3

 

[Disney Doll]

I don't think God...anyone's God...cares who wins the election.

I think God/Allah/Buddha/Mother Earth/insert name of your deity here has bigger fish to fry, quite frankly.

 

[FayeW]

That would be in response to FayeW. She was saying that the one equaled the other.

No, I didn't. I was merely making a point that there appear to be religious zealots with questionable messages on both sides of the aisle. The minister at Obama's former church does not have a monopoly on using the pulpit as a podium to further an agenda.