Do Not Disturb Gone! (BLT)

[BK2014]

I disagree. As much as we hate to admit it there are parallels to be seen. It always starts out as subtle and then it slowly escalates as we become immune to the changes. We are not at the level of those terms but there is a comparison in how things start. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". George Santayana

What parallels? Government intrusion into the lives of its citizens versus changes in policy by an entertainment company? Government busting into your home uninvited and unannounced versus voluntarily going on a vacation at a place that has publicly announced these policy changes? Give me a break.

The privacy you are giving up is not being replaced with enhanced security.

This is not a privacy issues. Your constitutional rights do not extend to WDW property as far as it relates to actions taken by their employees and their policies. If there were reason to suspect that these policies were being put in place at the direction and for the benefit of the police or some other government entity, then you have a privacy argument.

What this really is a change in the terms of your contract with Disney that you can either accept or refuse. You don't have a right to a WDW vacation.

ETA: I do not personally like this new policy. Whenever DW and I go to a hotel, the first thing we do is put out the DND sign and only take it down when we leave, or really need TP.

 

[ColoradoMom12]

It is indeed lovely! That's why I asked! Thank you.

ETA: Just looked up prices for my upcoming trip. Perhaps one day I'll be able to afford this.

LOL. I had the same reaction last night. I was ready to book our next vacation there until I saw the price! Maybe one day.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Met by their "SECURITY STEWARD"!
I love that one. Now that is an Orwellian term if ever I've heard one.
This is very much leaning toward an East German style Stasi situation if in deed you are assigned an agent of security to stick his nose daily into your business inside your private room. Disgusting and frightening. I'm glad I'm an old man. I don't want to be around for whats coming down the pike.

Creepy!

We live in a country where too many do not value their freedom or privacy. They are very willing and eager to comply..no questions asked.

 

[fhtpdw20]

It seems to me that Disney is going out of its way to erode the magical customer experience. My trips in 2018 maybe my last. They are getting to the point of being overpriced and over scheduled if you want to accomplish anything. They are killing for me the resort experience by thinking of dogs as "guests" and they have done away with the special theme of the resort with generic "hotel" room décor to make clean up easier. Now resort checks upon all the other park "security" checks which just makes another line to tackle. The world is fooling its self if they think all this so called security is going to stop someone bent on bringing destruction to others. Those countries which have low crime rates are because the punishment is swift and severe. To paraphrase Ben Franklin "those who give up liberty to gain security will soon find they will have neither."

 

[Lynne M]

Pro debating tip: Hyperbole doesn't win arguments.

Let's keep some perspective: this isn't a Bill of Rights issue, or a government-intruding-on-the-privacy-of-the-people issue. It's a policy tweak by a hotel company to reduce their liability. That policy change may inconvenience some guests to the point where they want to stay elsewhere, and that's fine, voting with your feet (and your wallet) is a perfectly valid response.

But I'd advise waiting to see how this plays out in practice before you decide that Disney is dead to you. Remember the Great Dog Debate of 2017? Reading some of those posts, you'd think the Yacht Club was about to become a poop-littered hellscape with packs of marauding, diseased beasts lurking in elevators and devouring small children. The actual guest reports from the impacted resorts are telling a different story.

And keep in mind when reading posts on social media - and the DISboards - that there are people who get their jollies by posting invented stories to stir people up.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

WDW isn't the government. It's a private company.

I remember the thread that said "There are tons of dogs in the parks! That's because they allow them in resorts now!"

There weren't tons of dogs in the parks (there were a few), and pet dogs aren't allowed in the parks. So I still don't see how these two things went together.

This one seems to be getting some of the same treatment.

If you have a problem with the idea of dogs at some resorts or being unable to slap the do not disturb sign on the door and have nobody come in at all for the length of your stay, then there are lots of other places in Orlando you can stay. I hear the Four Seasons is nice and they will leave you alone for as long as you wish.

 

[TLSnell1981]

If this isn't as bad as suspected..Disney's done a poor job rolling it out. The new "occupied" hang tags...cringeworthy Hopefully, these intrusions will not rise to the level some anticipate...but a D- for the PR department (it's still Christmas, I'm being generous)

 

[MakiraMarlena]

thing is, the new hang tag doesn't say anything that wasn't always the case.

 

[Jennasis]

I'm more upset about EMH and 60 day fastpass reservations being granted to the hotel plaza boulevard hotels than I am about this.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

If this isn't as bad as suspected..Disney's done a poor job rolling it out. The new "occupied" hang tags...cringeworthy Hopefully, these intrusions will not rise to the level some anticipate...but a D- for the PR department (it's still Christmas, I'm being generous)

Very generous.

Security Stewards? Really? The fact that they have a title for this new position tells you that it isn't just housekeeping marking off rooms as they are cleaning. (Of for BLT, as they pick up the day's trash.)

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Just because they have a "security steward" doesn't mean that person is checking every single room every day. It's another leap.

 

[fhtpdw20]

I am not here to debate anyone. I state my opinions and what is important to me. There are only so many straws before the camel's back breaks. I simply stated that I am reaching my limit of what I will tolerate when I spend my hard-earned money. As you say, voting with your wallet is the best way to get Disney's attention. I think it best to avoid the resort section of the board as I do not seem welcome to share my thoughts if they do not agree with the masses. I wish you peace and a Happy New Year.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

You're welcome to share that you are voting with your wallet, and that is the only thing that will get Disney's attention. The thing is, not everyone agrees that this is their limit. It's not mine, I'll keep staying at WDW.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Just because they have a "security steward" doesn't mean that person is checking every single room every day. It's another leap.

I didn't say that it did. Sorry, you made that leap, not me.

What I said is that it isn't as simple as housekeeping marking off rooms. Not if they have a new position called the "Security Steward."

 

[Jennasis]

I didn't say that it did. Sorry, you made that leap, not me.

What I said is that it isn't as simple as housekeeping marking off rooms. Not if they have a new position called the "Security Steward."

To be fair you have no idea what the new job title entails or doesn't entail. Maybe it is simply marking off rooms....maybe the stewards job is to respond to threats...maybe their job is to profile. We don't know.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

To be fair you have no idea what the new job title entails or doesn't entail. Maybe it is simply marking off rooms....maybe the stewards job is to respond to threats...maybe their job is to profile. We don't know.

One thing we do know, their job does entail entering rooms. At least, if we believe those that have already posted about it.

 

[gwynne]

I didn't say that it did. Sorry, you made that leap, not me.

What I said is that it isn't as simple as housekeeping marking off rooms. Not if they have a new position called the "Security Steward."

I disagree. I think it's possible they can have someone to deal with "issues" while at the same time have most rooms managed by daily housekeeping.

A daily housekeeping visit doesn't bother me. I've always used the security latch in any hotel on a routine basis.
In addition, I tend to think they are briefly looking for lots of things beyond most of the issues discussed on this thread. Things like smells/indicators of mold and mildew, food garbage, pizza boxes, and, of course, everyone's favorite...bugs. Regular housekeeping and garbage removal does assist in keeping the rooms in better general order.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

What I said is that it isn't as simple as housekeeping marking off rooms. Not if they have a new position called the "Security Steward."

And what do you think it means that they have one? Could be he is just there to make sure all rooms have been entered, whether by housekeeping or by someone else. Doesn't mean that personnel other than housekeepers will be checking every single room.

Maybe it does, but we don't know yet from a few stories posted.

 

[MolonLabe]

I think the biggest divide between people on each side is the lack of knowledge about what the checks do and the what they would actually prevent. Also, that the Vegas murderer somehow had 3 days to setup without housekeeping.

The Vegas murderer, I won't mention his name, had housekeeping leading up to that fateful day. Feel free to Google it yourself or http://www.newsweek.com/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-676259

Housekeeping missed nearly 2 dozen guns, hundreds of magazines and thousands of rounds of ammo.

Next the murderer didn't need 2 dozen guns, aside from the fact he only used 3, he really only needed 2, primary and backup. everything he used would have fit into two large and 1 medium suitcase.

The "platforms" he used to shoot off of in the suite were re proposed tables from the room, setup that afternoon.

Mousekeeping, nor security stewards, will be opening luggage so when people say "security theatre", it's a perfectly apt description.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be upset over something that will yield virtually no safety improvements and have a negative impact on tens of thousands of innocent vacationing families.

I have a feeling the Oct 3rd security meeting went something like this
Disney Exec "How do we stop this? "
Every security expert in the room "You can't"

Disney Exec "How do we keep from getting sued when it happens?"
Disney legal team - "Uhhhh... useless room checks? "

Disney Exec - "Good talk team"

 

[MakiraMarlena]

They won't prevent every eventuality. Nobody thinks they will. It's just based on what was and wasn't done by MGM in Vegas.

If you are upset, that's reasonable, because it's an inconvenience. it's also reasonable to be not upset and decide to roll with it. But Disney's mind isn't going to change on this (unless the resorts are suddenly empty because of it.)

Also, there is nothing in that article to indicate that the Vegas perpetrator had housekeeping come in all three days of his suite stay. If he did, there's no reason why he would not have been able to hide his arsenal. He had a large suite and housekeepers don't go everywhere. He may even have been in the room at the time.

No, it can't be stopped. This is not about stopping it. You're correct, it's a legal move.