DLR Vet WDW Review

Instead of creating multiple WDW threads in the DL forum, @OlliePop27 gave me permission to tag my thoughts/impressions onto this thread. I'm going to have to break it down to several posts.

We stayed off site using points. Paid for a rental car, hotel parking, resort parking, and gas (approximately $1000 total) which was a significant cost savings for us. We had a 10 day ticket (non PH) so were in and out of the parks for partial days. We did approximately 2.5 days in EPCOT, one in DHS, 2 in AK, 2.5 in MK. We had five days of LLMP and did every LLSP twice except for Rise which we rode single rider. We did the Africa Trek in AK and Keys to the Kingdom in MK.

These are my notes about the different attractions:

Magic Kingdom:
  • Jungle Cruise - Skippers don't use cap guns. Ape has a gun and shoots it at one point in the ride. This attraction is more popular at WDW than DLR. Other than the tunnel, they are very similar, including the jokes.
  • Enchanted Tiki Room - larger venue at WDW
  • Pirates of the Caribbean: Not the same but not as bad as I expected. Audio was much more clear and easier to understand at WDW
  • Country Bear Jamboree - Loved the new show. Was looking for CBJ merchandise but there wasn't any.
  • Liberty Belle Riverboat - Gave us a nice view of Big Thunder construction. Thought the narration is better at DLR
  • Haunted Mansion - The stretching room isn't an elevator like it is at DLR. Lights go on after the corpse (which I couldn't make out). Pictures on the wall after the stretching room at DLR are seen after you are in your doom buggy at WDW (warning, that is where they take your photo pass picture). They had a library and a cool staircase room that we don't have at DLR.
  • Peter Pan's Flight - Saw Ariel in a clam shell. Not sure if there were other Disney characters that we missed.
  • It's a Small World - Hands down, felt the DLR version was better. WDW had chipped paint, dinged corners, dolls that weren't working, and the sound was muffled. Much more popular attraction at DLR than WDW.
  • The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - We did LLMP but the standby queue had some fun looking interactive features. Seemed to have a more cohesive story. Fun to bounce with Tigger at WDW. Very popular at WDW. Didn't used to be very busy at DLR but is busier now that Tiana's is open. I like the nature setting around the DLR attraction better than the Fantasyland setting at WDW.
  • Seven Dwarfs Mine Train - Did LLSP and was pretty disappointed. It is more of a LLMP ride than LLSP. It is cute, but it is not the level of Guardians or Rise.
  • Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid – It was walk on when we were there, but I loved the queue. Like Pooh, I thought the story was more cohesive.
  • Dumbo- Same size elephant and ride. ☹ in that my spouse and I barely fit.
  • TRON: Lightcycle/Run - Did LLSP. I know nothing about Tron but thought the ride was fun. Hurt my ribcage on the ride.
  • Space Mountain - Ride system is actually that of The Matterhorn - I don't ride Matterhorn anymore because it beats me up. Put that in the dark and it is a recipe for disaster. No wonder it doesn't have the same love at WDW as it does at DLR. It darker and difficult to see compared to DLR. No music. Seats were easier to get in and out of than Matterhorn seats.
  • Carousel of Progress - Reminds me of my childhood. We were the only ones clapping as the room rotated. No map of the future at the end.
  • Astro Orbiter - This was taken down when we were there.
  • The People Mover – Also reminds me of my childhood. Longer line than I expected. Much longer ride than the DLR version had been.
  • Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin - This is going to be re-imagined so they haven't updated it. Everything from the cars to the guns to the targets were worn out and aged. Really sad.
  • Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor - Similar to Turtle Talk with Crush. Well done. There is a lot of room for winding the queue in the shade, but they didn't use it. Instead, they had people lined up outside in the sun.
  • Railroad - Our train had everyone facing forward. I'm not sure if all of the trains are like that. I thought the narration was better at DLR than WDW.

EPCOT:

  • Space Ship Earth - Audio was difficult to hear in some sections. I know it is endearing to people who grew up with WDW. It felt aged and worn to me.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind - Favorite ride. We did LLSP. Seats were ergonomically well designed. Smooth ride as opposed to the back adjustment that you get with Space Mountain.
  • Mission: SPACE - Did Orange. Didn't like it. Don't need to do it again.
  • Journey into Imagination - It has been 15 years since I was at WDW. This used to be a better, more endearing attraction, didn't it?
  • Living with the Land - Pavilion is showing its age. Interesting attraction. Audio in parts was difficult to hear.
  • The Seas with Nemo and Friend - Cute ride. Long queue with no one in it. They didn't have it set up so guests could walk straight. Instead, we had to wind up and down each twist and bend for a walk on attraction.
  • Gran Fiesta Tour featuring the Three Caballeros - Silly ride. Was there a storyline?
  • Frozen Ever After – Better than we expected.
  • Remy's Ratatouille Adventure - Much better than expected. Trackless vehicles similar to Rise & MMRR. Great 3D effect. With 3 people per row, single rider line was amazingly efficient. We took advantage of the single rider line and rode it multiple times.
Hollywood Studios:
  • Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway - Interesting to see the differences. There were times when we were prepared for a right turn and the train turned left. Feels like it fits better in Toontown than the Chinese Theater
  • Frozen Sing Along - Fun for kids. Air conditioned.
  • Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular - Same show as 15 years ago. Outdoor theater.
  • Muppet-Vision 3-D - Had to see it since it is going away, but it is the same as 15 years ago
  • Rise of the Resistance - Singler rider line was amazing!
  • Alien Swirling Saucers - Not as good as Mater's.
  • Slinky Dog Dash - Cute attraction. There was so much hype about this ride that I was a bit disappointed.
  • Toy Story Midway Mania - Line was absurdly long. Didn't ride it
  • Rock'n Roller Coaster Featuring Aerosmith - Banged my head around 15 years ago and did the same this time. It is a bit dated. I can see why they are re-theming it.
  • Tower of Terror - Same theme that we used to have. Different in that car moves forward to the lift. Fewer drops that were much tamer than Guardians at DCA.
  • Beauty and the Beast - Nice show. Outdoor theater similar to Indy
  • SWGE - Are pillars closer to the MF or are they taller at WDW? That plaza seems larger at DLR. Tunnels and walkways into SWGE at DLR make the land feel more immersive. Transition from Toy Story Land into SWGE seems abrupt.
  • Toy Story Land reminded me of Bugs Land
Animal Kingdom:
  • Avatar: Flight of Passage - Like a 3D Soarin. Very cool attraction. Something about the 3D effect was off so I got a headache both times we rode it. As soon as it was over, the headache went away. It seats over 100 people per 4 min show and the line never got below 75 min!
  • Na'vi River Journey - Better than I expected. A boat ride through Navi. An attraction for all ages
  • Festival of the Lion King - Same as 15 years ago
  • Kilamanjaro Safaris - Long lines during the day. Walk on after 5 pm. We went on it four times because there was amazing animal activity after 5 pm. Baby giraffe was out and active yet the safari guides never mentioned it. It was very scripted and they rarely slowed down.
  • Rafiki Train - Not much to see when we were there. Animation Academy drawing class at Conservation Station
  • Feathered Friends in Flight - Very similar or same to 15 years ago
  • Dinosaur - I thought it was too dark to see much. My spouse loved it.
  • Expedition Everest - We did this early in the morning when everyone was running towards Pandora. We did it both standby and LLMP. At one point, before you back up, the side of the mountain is filled with hair ties. When and how did that start?
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like a great trip!
 
Instead of creating multiple WDW threads in the DL forum, @OlliePop27 gave me permission to tag my thoughts/impressions onto this thread. I'm going to have to break it down to several posts.

We stayed off site using points. Paid for a rental car, hotel parking, resort parking, and gas (approximately $1000 total) which was a significant cost savings for us. We had a 10 day ticket (non PH) so were in and out of the parks for partial days. We did approximately 2.5 days in EPCOT, one in DHS, 2 in AK, 2.5 in MK. We had five days of LLMP and did every LLSP twice except for Rise which we rode single rider. We did the Africa Trek in AK and Keys to the Kingdom in MK.

These are my notes about the different attractions:

Magic Kingdom:
  • Jungle Cruise - Skippers don't use cap guns. Ape has a gun and shoots it at one point in the ride. This attraction is more popular at WDW than DLR. Other than the tunnel, they are very similar, including the jokes.
  • Enchanted Tiki Room - larger venue at WDW
  • Pirates of the Caribbean: Not the same but not as bad as I expected. Audio was much more clear and easier to understand at WDW
  • Country Bear Jamboree - Loved the new show. Was looking for CBJ merchandise but there wasn't any.
  • Liberty Belle Riverboat - Gave us a nice view of Big Thunder construction. Thought the narration is better at DLR
  • Haunted Mansion - The stretching room isn't an elevator like it is at DLR. Lights go on after the corpse (which I couldn't make out). Pictures on the wall after the stretching room at DLR are seen after you are in your doom buggy at WDW (warning, that is where they take your photo pass picture). They had a library and a cool staircase room that we don't have at DLR.
  • Peter Pan's Flight - Saw Ariel in a clam shell. Not sure if there were other Disney characters that we missed.
  • It's a Small World - Hands down, felt the DLR version was better. WDW had chipped paint, dinged corners, dolls that weren't working, and the sound was muffled. Much more popular attraction at DLR than WDW.
  • The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - We did LLMP but the standby queue had some fun looking interactive features. Seemed to have a more cohesive story. Fun to bounce with Tigger at WDW. Very popular at WDW. Didn't used to be very busy at DLR but is busier now that Tiana's is open. I like the nature setting around the DLR attraction better than the Fantasyland setting at WDW.
  • Seven Dwarfs Mine Train - Did LLSP and was pretty disappointed. It is more of a LLMP ride than LLSP. It is cute, but it is not the level of Guardians or Rise.
  • Under the Sea: Journey of the Little Mermaid – It was walk on when we were there, but I loved the queue. Like Pooh, I thought the story was more cohesive.
  • Dumbo- Same size elephant and ride. ☹ in that my spouse and I barely fit.
  • TRON: Lightcycle/Run - Did LLSP. I know nothing about Tron but thought the ride was fun. Hurt my ribcage on the ride.
  • Space Mountain - Ride system is actually that of The Matterhorn - I don't ride Matterhorn anymore because it beats me up. Put that in the dark and it is a recipe for disaster. No wonder it doesn't have the same love at WDW as it does at DLR. It darker and difficult to see compared to DLR. No music. Seats were easier to get in and out of than Matterhorn seats.
  • Carousel of Progress - Reminds me of my childhood. We were the only ones clapping as the room rotated. No map of the future at the end.
  • Astro Orbiter - This was taken down when we were there.
  • The People Mover – Also reminds me of my childhood. Longer line than I expected. Much longer ride than the DLR version had been.
  • Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin - This is going to be re-imagined so they haven't updated it. Everything from the cars to the guns to the targets were worn out and aged. Really sad.
  • Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor - Similar to Turtle Talk with Crush. Well done. There is a lot of room for winding the queue in the shade, but they didn't use it. Instead, they had people lined up outside in the sun.
  • Railroad - Our train had everyone facing forward. I'm not sure if all of the trains are like that. I thought the narration was better at DLR than WDW.

EPCOT:

  • Space Ship Earth - Audio was difficult to hear in some sections. I know it is endearing to people who grew up with WDW. It felt aged and worn to me.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind - Favorite ride. We did LLSP. Seats were ergonomically well designed. Smooth ride as opposed to the back adjustment that you get with Space Mountain.
  • Mission: SPACE - Did Orange. Didn't like it. Don't need to do it again.
  • Journey into Imagination - It has been 15 years since I was at WDW. This used to be a better, more endearing attraction, didn't it?
  • Living with the Land - Pavilion is showing its age. Interesting attraction. Audio in parts was difficult to hear.
  • The Seas with Nemo and Friend - Cute ride. Long queue with no one in it. They didn't have it set up so guests could walk straight. Instead, we had to wind up and down each twist and bend for a walk on attraction.
  • Gran Fiesta Tour featuring the Three Caballeros - Silly ride. Was there a storyline?
  • Frozen Ever After – Better than we expected.
  • Remy's Ratatouille Adventure - Much better than expected. Trackless vehicles similar to Rise & MMRR. Great 3D effect. With 3 people per row, single rider line was amazingly efficient. We took advantage of the single rider line and rode it multiple times.
Hollywood Studios:
  • Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway - Interesting to see the differences. There were times when we were prepared for a right turn and the train turned left. Feels like it fits better in Toontown than the Chinese Theater
  • Frozen Sing Along - Fun for kids. Air conditioned.
  • Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular - Same show as 15 years ago. Outdoor theater.
  • Muppet-Vision 3-D - Had to see it since it is going away, but it is the same as 15 years ago
  • Rise of the Resistance - Singler rider line was amazing!
  • Alien Swirling Saucers - Not as good as Mater's.
  • Slinky Dog Dash - Cute attraction. There was so much hype about this ride that I was a bit disappointed.
  • Toy Story Midway Mania - Line was absurdly long. Didn't ride it
  • Rock'n Roller Coaster Featuring Aerosmith - Banged my head around 15 years ago and did the same this time. It is a bit dated. I can see why they are re-theming it.
  • Tower of Terror - Same theme that we used to have. Different in that car moves forward to the lift. Fewer drops that were much tamer than Guardians at DCA.
  • Beauty and the Beast - Nice show. Outdoor theater similar to Indy
  • SWGE - Are pillars closer to the MF or are they taller at WDW? That plaza seems larger at DLR. Tunnels and walkways into SWGE at DLR make the land feel more immersive. Transition from Toy Story Land into SWGE seems abrupt.
  • Toy Story Land reminded me of Bugs Land
Animal Kingdom:
  • Avatar: Flight of Passage - Like a 3D Soarin. Very cool attraction. Something about the 3D effect was off so I got a headache both times we rode it. As soon as it was over, the headache went away. It seats over 100 people per 4 min show and the line never got below 75 min!
  • Na'vi River Journey - Better than I expected. A boat ride through Navi. An attraction for all ages
  • Festival of the Lion King - Same as 15 years ago
  • Kilamanjaro Safaris - Long lines during the day. Walk on after 5 pm. We went on it four times because there was amazing animal activity after 5 pm. Baby giraffe was out and active yet the safari guides never mentioned it. It was very scripted and they rarely slowed down.
  • Rafiki Train - Not much to see when we were there. Animation Academy drawing class at Conservation Station
  • Feathered Friends in Flight - Very similar or same to 15 years ago
  • Dinosaur - I thought it was too dark to see much. My spouse loved it.
  • Expedition Everest - We did this early in the morning when everyone was running towards Pandora. We did it both standby and LLMP. At one point, before you back up, the side of the mountain is filled with hair ties. When and how did that start?

Thanks for your review. And I totally agree about the single rider line at ROTR. I wish there was one at DL, but I suspect it would be a ridiculous wait most of the day as large groups would use it. And also about Space Mountain at MK - I skip it unless I am with someone who really wants to ride it. Same as with Matterhorn.
 
Thanks for your review. And I totally agree about the single rider line at ROTR. I wish there was one at DL, but I suspect it would be a ridiculous wait most of the day as large groups would use it. And also about Space Mountain at MK - I skip it unless I am with someone who really wants to ride it. Same as with Matterhorn.
Apparently it was a soft roll out (it isn't on the map) and they just started having CM with signs. There was one CM with a single rider sign where you enter the standby line and another where the path to single rider actually started. Once we got past the stormtrooper room, the standby line and single rider line were the same length.

I think they could do it at Disneyland. If the single rider line was too long, they could cut it off for a while until they needed more people. They do that at Soarin. They only allow 5 single riders down each side.

Another thing that was extremely efficient at WDW was that the newer attractions had the ability to create two queues - one for parties with an even number of guests and another for parties with an odd number of guests. Using our Space Mountain as an example. The initial queue had everyone together. Where the queue splits into two sides going down the ramp, the CM at the top sent parties with an even number of people to the left and those with an odd number of people to the right. When the CM assigned vehicles, they put one person from each odd party together so that all seats were filled.
 
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Good report, @LKing ! They weren’t utilizing singlet rider lines when we went last August, glad to see that’s changed!

Hard to believe DL didn’t allow women to be JC skippers until the mid-90s! They’ve been at WDW since it opened! Says a lot about the different directions CA and FL have went since the Millenium.

Indy is pretty much the same show I saw when I was 7-years-old - just more “woke.” My favorite part is when they call out “Karen Allen” - as if anybody under 50 knows who she is. This show is long overdue for a replacement.

Agree with you on Mission Space. Journey Into Imagination was overhauled in the late 1990s and again in the early 00s - been the same ride for years.

When we went in August, everything at AK was a walk on sans the Avatar ride (was no more than 20 minutes though). Did you go on the river rapids ride or Expedition Everest? By some reports the river rapids ride was a poor man’s GRR, rushed into service after the park suffered poor reviews for lack of attractions. EE is a great ride, although people compare it to the Matterhorn due to similar theme.

I’m with you - not a fan of Matterhorn anymore. But Space Mountain is more tolerable, and it has drops! Every teenage boy had their hearts broken when Matterhorn got individual seats a decade ago… but SM got them in the 1990s.
LAS2AMS was it busy in August? I have always gone in early September, but may go late August this year and wondering about the crowds. I know it will be warm and muggy, but there always seemed to be sprayers around. I loved the River rapids ride but EE made me so sick! Thanks!
 
LAS2AMS was it busy in August? I have always gone in early September, but may go late August this year and wondering about the crowds. I know it will be warm and muggy, but there always seemed to be sprayers around. I loved the River rapids ride but EE made me so sick! Thanks!

We went the third week of August, it was not at all nuts! Everything at AK was a walk on, including EE, sans the two Avatar attractions. But those waits were minimal and most of it was spent navigating the queue.

Everything at Epcot was a walk on, sans the Frozen (20 minutes), Remmy ((60 minutes) and Guardians (VQ). And it was opening weekend good and wine festival!

DHS had minimal waits. 20 minutes for ToT and RRC. Slinky Dog went up to 60. The day we went was the day DVC members (via lottery)) got in free, so it inflated the waits in the evening and prevented us from seeing Fantasmic (theater filled up one hour ahead of the show).

MK wasn’t as crowed as usually but was still crowded. We bought the four day, one park per day ticket… because you could find larger discounts on the 3d ticket, we basically paid $150 for MK. In hindsight, we would’ve bought the 3d ticket and a MNSSHP ticket to MK. Would’ve saved a few bucks, been more interesting and if planned right would’ve seen as much.

It was a great time to go! Very hot and humid but by the time we got back to the room, we could enjoy the pool for a bit.
 
We went the third week of August, it was not at all nuts! Everything at AK was a walk on, including EE, sans the two Avatar attractions. But those waits were minimal and most of it was spent navigating the queue.

Everything at Epcot was a walk on, sans the Frozen (20 minutes), Remmy ((60 minutes) and Guardians (VQ). And it was opening weekend good and wine festival!

DHS had minimal waits. 20 minutes for ToT and RRC. Slinky Dog went up to 60. The day we went was the day DVC members (via lottery)) got in free, so it inflated the waits in the evening and prevented us from seeing Fantasmic (theater filled up one hour ahead of the show).

MK wasn’t as crowed as usually but was still crowded. We bought the four day, one park per day ticket… because you could find larger discounts on the 3d ticket, we basically paid $150 for MK. In hindsight, we would’ve bought the 3d ticket and a MNSSHP ticket to MK. Would’ve saved a few bucks, been more interesting and if planned right would’ve seen as much.

It was a great time to go! Very hot and humid but by the time we got back to the room, we could enjoy the pool for a bit.
Thanks so much for the reply! I am trying to figure when and where to take my 2 nieces, we did DLR December 2023, and I have priced it out so that we could do 9 days at WDW for the price of 5 at DLR. Just have to see when etc...
 
Apparently it was a soft roll out (it isn't on the map) and they just started having CM with signs. There was one CM with a single rider sign where you enter the standby line and another where the path to single rider actually started. Once we got past the stormtrooper room, the standby line and single rider line were the same length.

I think they could do it at Disneyland. If the single rider line was too long, they could cut it off for a while until they needed more people. They do that at Soarin. They only allow 5 single riders down each side.

Another thing that was extremely efficient at WDW was that the newer attractions had the ability to create two queues - one for parties with an even number of guests and another for parties with an odd number of guests. Using our Space Mountain as an example. The initial queue had everyone together. Where the queue splits into two sides going down the ramp, the CM at the top sent parties with an even number of people to the left and those with an odd number of people to the right. When the CM assigned vehicles, they put one person from each odd party together so that all seats were filled.

Should have been more clear. I was at WDW in March and also loved the ROTR single rider line. Wish they had it at DL since I am a local and am not buying single pass for it.

And yes, I love how they break odds and evens into separate lines to group together. Makes the overall line more efficient since there are not the empty seats going out for the odd groups.
 
We did the Africa Trek in AK and Keys to the Kingdom in MK.
What did you think of these? I've done Keys a couple of times (a decade apart) - I finally did the Africa Trek in 2022 and really enjoyed it. I liked the lunch food - I haven't yet made time to visit Tiffin's.

  • Haunted Mansion - The stretching room isn't an elevator like it is at DLR. Lights go on after the corpse (which I couldn't make out). Pictures on the wall after the stretching room at DLR are seen after you are in your doom buggy at WDW (warning, that is where they take your photo pass picture). They had a library and a cool staircase room that we don't have at DLR.
When we do those DLR vs WDW ride comparisons, I always see this one as a bit of a push. For a while, I gave the edge to WDW, but there are things about the DLR version that I find charming. (And I do enjoy getting NBC.)

  • Peter Pan's Flight - Saw Ariel in a clam shell. Not sure if there were other Disney characters that we missed.
Not sure if you saw it (I'm assuming you were using LL, since that line can be atrocious), but the queue there is done up as something special. (I think I've only seen it a couple of times during early-morning visits.)

  • It's a Small World - Hands down, felt the DLR version was better. WDW had chipped paint, dinged corners, dolls that weren't working, and the sound was muffled. Much more popular attraction at DLR than WDW.
It took me a while to ride this at DLR because it's always been kind of that way. Somehow, it always felt kind of open and empty to me. I got stuck in there enough times due to downtime that I was a little loathe to get on it again. Plus, the walkway between SW and PP there is the worst pinch point almost anywhere - and you can barely see the front of SW. (I think the Christmas overlay is what finally got me onto it at DLR.)

  • Seven Dwarfs Mine Train - Did LLSP and was pretty disappointed. It is more of a LLMP ride than LLSP. It is cute, but it is not the level of Guardians or Rise.
It's... fine. I like it, especially at night, but it's really short for what it is. I still feel like they pulled together whatever they could to build that area as a quick response to UO getting Harry Potter. It's one of those that's harmed by how popular MK is and how few major attractions they have. Since TRON has single-rider, that would probably still be my end-of-day ride.

  • Space Mountain - Ride system is actually that of The Matterhorn - I don't ride Matterhorn anymore because it beats me up. Put that in the dark and it is a recipe for disaster. No wonder it doesn't have the same love at WDW as it does at DLR. It darker and difficult to see compared to DLR. No music. Seats were easier to get in and out of than Matterhorn seats.
I rode this a lot as a teenager, and I have some back-of-the-mind nostalgia for it, but it's a totally mid coaster that you could find at any Six Flags park - it's only impressive because it's in the dark. When they first announced TRON, I was almost hoping they were going to close SM and potentially rebuild it to be something closer to DLR's. It's far past its shelf life, and you have to walk a mile to get in and out of the ride. (They ripped out the moving walkway at the end a few years ago.)

  • Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin - This is going to be re-imagined so they haven't updated it. Everything from the cars to the guns to the targets were worn out and aged. Really sad.
It wasn't much better when it was newer. It always felt harder to hit the targets, and having the guns attached to the vehicle didn't help. Another where I almost didn't ride it at DLR, but it's way, way better here.

  • Space Ship Earth - Audio was difficult to hear in some sections. I know it is endearing to people who grew up with WDW. It felt aged and worn to me.
The one thing about the pandemic that will haunt me until the end of time - there's a version of EPCOT that I think of as EPCOT 2019 that will never exist. Among the things that they announced that year that got cancelled were a Mary Poppins flat ride at Great Britain, the Play pavilion (an interactive space loosely based on the Wreck It Ralph sequel), and a complete overhaul of Spaceship Earth. That thing has needed a refresh for a very, very, very long time. (This is by far the longest it's ever gone without a refresh.) I hope this is still on the table for whatever they've got planned in the wake of Epic Universe.

There was an amazing presentation that year that Imagineering put together at the Odyssey that was almost an attraction in and of itself. It was such a shame that most of it never happened. (And, weirdly, Harmonious is already gone.)

  • Mission: SPACE - Did Orange. Didn't like it. Don't need to do it again.
This version is slightly milder than the original version, if you can believe it. I still think the almost-going-over-the-cliff section is too much for the average rider (myself included).

  • Journey into Imagination - It has been 15 years since I was at WDW. This used to be a better, more endearing attraction, didn't it?
The original 1980s version was a masterpiece. I've described it to people like this: the original ride was an attempt to inspire your imagination, the current one is here to tell you what imagination is.

(The highlight of the current one is when they stick a Christmas sweater on Figment during the holidays.)

At D23's EPCOT 30 event, Tony Baxter screened a ride video that his son filmed in the late 80s - watching it with a group of fans was a weirdly emotional experience. (I remember looking over and seeing a girl openly sobbing.)

Figment is hugely popular at Disney - it's crazy that they haven't done anything in 20+ years. (An Epcot CM friend told me maybe ten years ago that ColorVision had paid money for an overhaul when they took the sponsorship in 2012, but the money ended up getting redirected somewhere else.)

  • Living with the Land - Pavilion is showing its age. Interesting attraction. Audio in parts was difficult to hear.
I still love this, but it's far far better with its Christmas lights overlay. (Reminiscent of the Osborne lights from DHS.) Definitely a holiday season favorite.

  • Gran Fiesta Tour featuring the Three Caballeros - Silly ride. Was there a storyline?
Donald has run off on his own and the other two are trying to track him down for their performance at the end.

Fun trivia - the last scene was originally a cartoon, but some fans pointed out that they had those animatronics in storage from the Mickey Mouse Revue (an opening-day attraction at MK), so they refurbed them and installed them there.

I think a lot of folks were expecting them to turn this into a Coco ride at some point, since it's got a lot of the same imagery. (I can also understand why they haven't.)

  • Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway - Interesting to see the differences. There were times when we were prepared for a right turn and the train turned left. Feels like it fits better in Toontown than the Chinese Theater
I have some nostalgia for that version of the finale scene, but they definitely upped the ride at DLR. That extra scene where Goofy comes back (especially with those random asides - "...and that's why I wear pants and Pluto doesn't!") is a great add-on.

  • Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular - Same show as 15 years ago. Outdoor theater.
It's a bit shorter now - among other changes, they cut the early section (after the boulder roll) where they pull audience members up to participate, including one stunt person plant. A lot of folks thought the show was going to get fully ripped out, and I still think it will once the Dinosaur replacement opens at AK. (Though they'll still need some kind of people-eater at that park.)

  • Slinky Dog Dash - Cute attraction. There was so much hype about this ride that I was a bit disappointed.
Kind of like 7DMT - it's nice for what it is, and I think it's better at night, but Toy Story Land there felt like another "let's jam a new section here out of whatever we can find" - knowing that a huge section of the park was going to be closed for three years. If there were more attractions at DHS and it was easier to get an LL for, I might like it more. But it doesn't really feel worth the length of wait. (I usually end a DHS day with that to get the shortest line.)

  • Toy Story Midway Mania - Line was absurdly long. Didn't ride it
This one is actually better at DHS, if mainly because the equipment is newer. The queue is a bit more fun - Potato Head is in the queue. They added a second track more recently that has some lovely indoor theming (like you're in Andy's room). But it's all mostly a "nice to have" by comparison.

  • Avatar: Flight of Passage - Like a 3D Soarin. Very cool attraction. Something about the 3D effect was off so I got a headache both times we rode it. As soon as it was over, the headache went away. It seats over 100 people per 4 min show and the line never got below 75 min!
I had the fortune of riding this during passholder previews, and there was nothing like it when it was new. I rode in December - it desperately needs a refurb. I think the RGB lenses are misaligned on most of the projectors - it's "out of focus" but in a weird way. (It's really noticeable in the cave scene.)

For anyone new to this - the real key is to ask if they'll put you close to the center - seat 8 or 9. (The room split is there.) They will try to figure that out if you ask - center the room is way better than the outer edges.

(Honestly, I almost wish Universal could reverse-engineer a version of this for How to Train Your Dragon. It's basically designed for that, and would be perfect for Hollywood.)

  • Kilamanjaro Safaris - Long lines during the day. Walk on after 5 pm. We went on it four times because there was amazing animal activity after 5 pm. Baby giraffe was out and active yet the safari guides never mentioned it. It was very scripted and they rarely slowed down.
I miss the era that AK was a night park. The early-evening Safaris could be hit-and-miss, but sometimes delightfully chaotic. (I had one where the giraffes were acting like they were trying to sneak out the front gate of that section of the park, and we couldn't move until they were ready to move.)

  • Expedition Everest - We did this early in the morning when everyone was running towards Pandora. We did it both standby and LLMP. At one point, before you back up, the side of the mountain is filled with hair ties. When and how did that start?
That's an old-school roller coaster "tradition" of sorts. (I think there might be some up on Goofy's Sky School, but I haven't ridden that in a while.) Any coaster where people have to wait for any amount of time - like if you're about to unload - and there's a flat spot, people fire their hair ties. (I think the amount is usually an accumulation over time - I'm not sure if they ever clean those up.)

Yes, we did go on EE but not Kali. I don't like walking around in wet shoes and didn't feel like lugging flip flops with me.
Another that you didn't miss anything. It's definitely a half-baked GRR - though it's not noticeably worse. It's a more generic version of that kind of ride. (Though I'd gently nudge that it's still that kind of ride - a bunch of non-Disney parks have those.)
 
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Not sure if you saw it (I'm assuming you were using LL, since that line can be atrocious), but the queue there is done up as something special. (I think I've only seen it a couple of times during early-morning visits.)

It’s nice but the expanded area use to be bathrooms. They left the flooring in… you’d think they would’ve spared a toilet or too. Now that would be a unique line…

there.

I think a lot of folks were expecting them to turn this into a Coco ride at some point, since it's got a lot of the same imagery. (I can also understand why they haven't.

The current ride is the original attraction, with the added Disney characters. Cheap and tacky. Rumor is it was suppose to become the Coco attraction, but Disney feels Coco would be too popular to fit into the space.

Coco is a better fit at DLR, anyway, since a large portion of its guests (more than half at times) are of Mexican heritage.
 
It’s nice but the expanded area use to be bathrooms. They left the flooring in… you’d think they would’ve spared a toilet or too. Now that would be a unique line…
LOL

The current ride is the original attraction, with the added Disney characters. Cheap and tacky. Rumor is it was suppose to become the Coco attraction, but Disney feels Coco would be too popular to fit into the space.

Coco is a better fit at DLR, anyway, since a large portion of its guests (more than half at times) are of Mexican heritage.
Mostly, yeah. They added Donald to a few of the OG movies. But the old ride felt (to me) almost like a hybrid of Small World and the ancient If You Had Wings (at MK) - almost like a straight-ahead travelogue of some kind. Not that it was offensive at all, but the section where the merchant is trying to hawk their wares at you - it felt like a weird choice for an amusement park ride lol.

Doing that would have been a really cheap way to shoehorn Coco into the park, so I get why they didn't. If the pandemic hadn't happened and they wanted to do something quick before it got hugely popular, I think it might have happened. But the queue isn't anywhere near big enough for a Coco attraction - they'd either have to use a VQ and/or rip out major parts of the pavilion.

I still wonder if they're thinking about it. The parking lot between Mexico and the Odyssey would probably fit a decent queue. If they moved some of the BOH stuff from behind the Anna/Elsa meet-and-greet, there'd be room for "the rest" of the attraction - have it start and finish with what's there now, but add the big "show" in the new building. (The boats in the concept art are really similar to the ones on that ride.)
 
I still wonder if they're thinking about it. The parking lot between Mexico and the Odyssey would probably fit a decent queue. If they moved some of the BOH stuff from behind the Anna/Elsa meet-and-greet, there'd be room for "the rest" of the attraction - have it start and finish with what's there now, but add the big "show" in the new building. (The boats in the concept art are really similar to the ones on that ride.)

Wouldn’t surprise me as many attractions are duped. But I wonder where they’re putting it at DCA. They were suppose to build a second attraction (along TSMM) in Pixar Pier (but was cancelled), so I’m assuming it’ll go there. The attraction will be out of place anywhere at DCA… but so is The Little Mermaid and Monster’s.
 
What did you think of these? I've done Keys a couple of times (a decade apart) - I finally did the Africa Trek in 2022 and really enjoyed it. I liked the lunch food - I haven't yet made time to visit Tiffin's.
Wow, thanks for explaining all of the history to me.

Our first park was EPCOT and I couldn't help but notice how little Disney merchandise people were wearing. In CA, we see more people wearing ears and Disney clothing. I attributed it to the fact that locals have more Disney attire compared to tourists. However, I was pleasantly surprised to see how many guests were decked out in animal print or Lion King themed clothing at Animal Kingdom. I thought it added a fun vibe.

We spent two days at AK. The first day was our LLMP day and the second day we did the Wild Africa Trek. We had a great time on the Trek. The CMs leading our group were amazing! They were friendly, knowledgeable, and had a great sense of humor. They took the time to learn our names and to get to know us as individuals. I mention this because that did not happen on our 5 hour Keys to the Kingdom Tour.

Reservations for the Africa Trek start 60 days in advance at midnight. Think of it as the night before ADR open. Instructions say that everything needs to be left in a locker so that it doesn't accidentally fall into the animal habitats. They take you to a hut where they fit you with a safety vest that had pockets for your souvenir water bottle, phone, and earpiece control. Everything was attached to your vest via carabiner clips. Note that your phone must have some sort of case in order for them to attach it to your vest. It can be any standard case. They basically looped a thin cord between your phone and the case and attached the cord to the vest via a carabiner clip.

The Trek started at Gorilla Falls Trail entrance and then veered off to a trail through the woods to the hippo habitat. Along the way, the CM were explaining the animals, the habitat, etc. We reached the hippo habitat and there were a series of rings attached to a pole. One by one, the CM helped us hook our safety harness to the rings so that we could walk close to the habitat without risking falling in. They fed the hippos lettuce and watermelon and a CM who specializes in hippos shared how they care for the animals.

After the hippos, we trekked a bit further to the suspension bridges. Again, they hooked us to the safety harness and one by one we crossed the bridges over the crocodile habitat. Next, we got to see the crocodiles up close. After the crocodiles, we walked a bit further to meet our transportation. We drove through a portion of the safari route but, unlike the safari, the driver was able to stop the truck so that we could learn more about the animals, ask questions and take pictures. We then arrived at the boma where we enjoyed a very nice lunch.

It was a great tour. It was nice to get away from the crowds and it gave us a chance to see something that we normally wouldn't get to see. The CM were patient, great at answering our questions, and were very entertaining. They made sure that everyone in the group had a good time. :thumbsup2:thumbsup2
 
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Wow, thanks for explaining all of the history to me.

Our first park was EPCOT and I couldn't help but notice how little Disney merchandise people were wearing. In CA, we see more people wearing ears and Disney clothing. I attributed it to the fact that locals have more Disney attire compared to tourists. However, I was pleasantly surprised to see how many guests were decked out in animal print or Lion King themed clothing at Animal Kingdom. I thought it added a fun vibe.

As I mentioned, we spent two days at AK. The first day was our LLMP day and the second day we did the Wild Africa Trek. We had a great time on the Trek. The CMs leading our group were amazing! They were friendly, knowledgeable, and had a great sense of humor. They took the time to learn our names and to get to know us as individuals. I mention this because that did not happen on our 5 hour Keys to the Kingdom Tour.

Africa Trek
Reservations for the Africa Trek start 60 days in advance at midnight. Think of it as the night before ADR open.
Instructions say that everything needs to be left in a locker so that it doesn't accidentally fall into the animal habitats. They take you to a hut where they fit you with a safety vest that had pockets for your souvenir water bottle, phone, and earpiece control. Everything was attached to your vest via carabiner clips. Note that your phone must have some sort of case in order for them to attach it to your vest. It can be any standard case. They basically looped a thin cord between your phone and the case and attached the cord to the vest via a carabiner clip.

Lockers, souvenir water bottle, and hut where they fit you with your vest. The black bungie on the back of the vest is what attaches to the safety hooks at each animal habitat.
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The Trek started at Gorilla Falls Trail entrance and then veered off to a trail through the woods to the hippo habitat. Along the way, the CM were explaining the animals, the habitat, etc. We reached the hippo habitat and there were a series of rings attached to a pole. One by one, the CM helped us hook our safety harness to the rings so that we could walk close to the habitat without risking falling in. They fed the hippos lettuce and watermelon and a CM who specializes in hippos shared how they care for the animals.

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After the hippos, we trekked a bit further to the suspension bridges. Again, they hooked us to the safety harness and one by one we crossed the bridges over the crocodile habitat. Next, we got to see the crocodiles up close.

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After the crocodiles, we walked a bit further to meet our transportation. We drove through a portion of the safari route but, unlike the safari, the driver was able to stop the truck so that we could learn more about the animals, ask questions and take pictures. We then arrived at the boma where we enjoyed a very nice lunch.

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It was a great tour. It was nice to get away from the crowds and it gave us a chance to see something that we normally wouldn't get to see. The CM were patient, great at answering our questions, and were really, really funny. They made sure that everyone in the group had a good time. :thumbsup2:thumbsup2
Love this review. We will be doing this trek in the future. A reservation actually popped up while we were there but I decided we will do it on another trip.
 
We reached the hippo habitat and there were a series of rings attached to a pole. One by one, the CM helped us hook our safety harness to the rings so that we could walk close to the habitat without risking falling in. They fed the hippos lettuce and watermelon and a CM who specializes in hippos shared how they care for the animals.
The very first time I went on Kilimanjaro Safaris, we were crossing the bridge over the hippo pond when one of them surfaced and wiggled its ears. I did a double take and then reminded myself, "Real hippo. Not the Jungle Cruise." :rotfl2:
 
Wouldn’t surprise me as many attractions are duped. But I wonder where they’re putting it at DCA. They were suppose to build a second attraction (along TSMM) in Pixar Pier (but was cancelled), so I’m assuming it’ll go there. The attraction will be out of place anywhere at DCA… but so is The Little Mermaid and Monster’s.
I think that's the best guess. My understanding is that the building behind Incredicoaster and TSMM is parade storage. I'm curious to see if they might try to connect it with Paradise Gardens somehow, since they do so much Coco stuff over there already. (I'm wondering if they might finally pull the loop road backstage and get rid of the redundancy to free up some space.)
 
Just for fun, here's a video of a Giraffic Jam from my Wild Africa Trek.
It didn't look like the people in the pickup truck did anything. Just rolled down the window and politely asked the giraffe to move?

Basically, what Safaris looks like when it has downtime (lol).
One time I got a text message from a friend saying, "On the safari ride at Animal Kingdom. Gnus blocking the road. We're just sitting here."
 
I think that's the best guess. My understanding is that the building behind Incredicoaster and TSMM is parade storage. I'm curious to see if they might try to connect it with Paradise Gardens somehow, since they do so much Coco stuff over there already. (I'm wondering if they might finally pull the loop road backstage and get rid of the redundancy to free up some space.)

They’ve been reducing the amount of backstage space, partially due to efficiency and partially to moving it offsite.

DCA has a really crappy design that yields so much wasted space. Such a shame!
 
It didn't look like the people in the pickup truck did anything. Just rolled down the window and politely asked the giraffe to move?
I couldn't tell from my angle, but I wondered if it might have had food in the back - or if driving alongside it was enough to break its concentration and turn its interest to the crazy zebras.
 












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