Divorce Help Please!!!!!

She needs to talk to her husband.

Yep, after she gets all her documents in order and after she has contacted an attorney. He sounds very controlling and there's no reason to think he'll be less so when she confronts him.
 
She needs to talk to her husband.

If she could talk to her husband they wouldn't be in this place. He will not let her on the account even though she has asked many times. Another example of something that drove my family nuts ~ my sister always said she would love a VW bug convertible. She has always had the crap car, he has always had a nice car. For their 30th she asked to get the VW. She drives a 10 yr old Altima that is always breaking down. Did he get it for her -NO. But his 4 yr old Jeep grand Cherokee over heated and went on fire and he went out and got a brand new Maxima. My sister has never had a new car always the hand me down from DH or one of the kids. A VW isn't an extravagant car and they could well afford it but since she doesn't have access to the money she can't do anything.
 

She needs to ask herself "Am I better off with him or without him?":confused3

Good luck to your sister.
 
in addition to what others have suggested i'll suggest the following if she's trying to determine their assetts and income-

if she has access to any of the computer records she could use a zip drive and download files (it can at least document what occured in files up to this point),

start copying all the tax items that will be coming in the mail as of the new year (if he's the type that does'nt let her open mail that comes only in his name she can at least photocopy the fronts b/c it will say 'important tax information' and have the identity of the sender), make copies of prior years tax records (can compare sources of income to see if financial institutions added/changed/eliminated),

find and make copies of his pension paperwork-if it's anything like mine it will detail what his allowance is and what must occur in the event of a divorce (i'de have to have dh sign off his rights on the money, the medical and the death benefits on a specific notarized form that would require my divorce decree attached),

request copies of (as far back as they will permit) any landline and cell phone records (esp. valuable if she can get them for the time around when he got his big lump sum, can see where calls were made to-like banks).
 
She isn't on his bank account never has been. He controls all the money except what little she earns at her job. .

:confused3

A few years ago I got on our joint account after several years of marriage. DH makes lots of $$$ and I dont.

To me this is the biggest mistake your sister has made.

i dont know the laws in NY-but in my state Dh and I own everything 50/50
 
She should also speak to more then one lawyer...once she has talked to a lawyer...her DH can't use them!!

Good luck to your sister...

Has she gotten copies of the emails?? She will need those too, they are proof of the affair adn she will need them!
 
I agree with this.

She needs to keep her mouth shut for awhile until she gets her financial ducks in a row, gets any good jewelry she has out of the house and gets any family heirlooms or items of sentimental value out of the house...hopefully nothing is so obvious that he would notice.

She needs to decide what she wants...a divorce or an attempt at a reconciliation, because it may affect how she will proceed.

She needs to contact an attorney ASAP and get the information she needs in order to make an informed decision. But first and foremost she needs to find out where they stand financially and what the consequences of her not being listed on any accounts might be...would she still be able to get half based on their long-term marriage even if she's not listed as one of the names on the account?

An attorney should be her first call.

I might also access a credit report on both SS #s to see what what's. Also, copies of income tax returns.

::yes::
Disney Doll is giving some well-reasoned advice and the DSis has to decide what she wants.

About the jewelry...I had a friend whose husband took pieces of jewelry out of the house after he moved-out. He even removed the dining-room set and the bedroom set while she & the kids were away visiting her family, they came home to an empty dining room and bedroom. She couldn't change the locks because he had a legal right to be in the house.

But I bet she sure wishes she had removed all that jewelry...even if she didn't want to keep it she could have at least sold it for some cash. And the husband? I *never* would have thought he was capable of doing everything he did to his own children. I mean, I can maybe understand it a little bit towards the adult in the situation, but to his KIDS? ugh.

in addition to what others have suggested i'll suggest the following if she's trying to determine their assetts and income-

if she has access to any of the computer records she could use a zip drive and download files (it can at least document what occured in files up to this point),

start copying all the tax items that will be coming in the mail as of the new year (if he's the type that does'nt let her open mail that comes only in his name she can at least photocopy the fronts b/c it will say 'important tax information' and have the identity of the sender), make copies of prior years tax records (can compare sources of income to see if financial institutions added/changed/eliminated),

find and make copies of his pension paperwork-if it's anything like mine it will detail what his allowance is and what must occur in the event of a divorce (i'de have to have dh sign off his rights on the money, the medical and the death benefits on a specific notarized form that would require my divorce decree attached),

request copies of (as far back as they will permit) any landline and cell phone records (esp. valuable if she can get them for the time around when he got his big lump sum, can see where calls were made to-like banks).

As always, barkley gives great advice.

I think getting everything from the computer on a zip is BRILLIANT. Also, IT people know this but most computer-users don't - when people think that items are erased, they really aren't ....the bits of info are still floating around on the hard-drive, I wonder if there's any way she can get a forensic-type of history done. She can kind of do this herself, at least go onto the computer and copy down the history of the sites he has visited.

She also needs to make copies of ALL the e-mails.

She needs to keep her mouth SHUT around the guy. Her best offense and defense in this situation is his opinion of her - he thinks she's *stupid*.

Hoo-boy, won't he be surprised! ::yes::

agnes!
 
You are all so wonderful. I also know there is a computer program that copies key strokes so she can find out passwords etc . I like the zip drive idea. we have the emails in several places he can't get to. when I logged onto the Yahoo home page it has a Horoscope for the year hers is Virgo and its says big changes in Romance and Committed relationships :lmao: no kidding!!!!!!!!!!

She originally thought to try and work on it but as time lapsed she can't get over the betrayl and that he controls everything ( bank accounts, cars etc) I think for the 1st time she realizes how vunerable she is and how little she knows about how to take care of the bills, house etc First she needs to understand exactly what she is entitled to financially and how and if she can survive financially. I think she would actually be better off financially because he doesn't give her any $$ and now she would decide how to spend it ( and maybe get herself that little convertible :drive:
 
That's the first thing I'd do. I wouldn't be sneaking around doing things behind the husband. I'd get all the crap (if indeed he is having an affair) out in the open right off the bat.

no no no!!! Do the legal and financial stuff first. He's business savvy and will hide assets right away if he even gets a hint of her thinking about leaving. I understand the inclination to 'talk to him' and get the true story but why would he tell her the truth since it's obvious he feels he doesn't need to include her in any financial matters or help with kids social events or anything supportive of her?
 
You are all so wonderful. I also know there is a computer program that copies key strokes so she can find out passwords etc . I like the zip drive idea. we have the emails in several places he can't get to. when I logged onto the Yahoo home page it has a Horoscope for the year hers is Virgo and its says big changes in Romance and Committed relationships :lmao: no kidding!!!!!!!!!!

She originally thought to try and work on it but as time lapsed she can't get over the betrayl and that he controls everything ( bank accounts, cars etc) I think for the 1st time she realizes how vunerable she is and how little she knows about how to take care of the bills, house etc First she needs to understand exactly what she is entitled to financially and how and if she can survive financially. I think she would actually be better off financially because he doesn't give her any $$ and now she would decide how to spend it ( and maybe get herself that little convertible :drive:

At any rate whether she divorces him or not, she needs to get herself together. I wish her well and strength on her journey.:goodvibes
 
OP-one WONDERFUL thing is she has a GREAT career-that she could do "full time" and make lots of$$:thumbsup2
 
You are all so wonderful. I also know there is a computer program that copies key strokes so she can find out passwords etc . I like the zip drive idea. we have the emails in several places he can't get to. when I logged onto the Yahoo home page it has a Horoscope for the year hers is Virgo and its says big changes in Romance and Committed relationships :lmao: no kidding!!!!!!!!!!

She originally thought to try and work on it but as time lapsed she can't get over the betrayl and that he controls everything ( bank accounts, cars etc) I think for the 1st time she realizes how vunerable she is and how little she knows about how to take care of the bills, house etc First she needs to understand exactly what she is entitled to financially and how and if she can survive financially. I think she would actually be better off financially because he doesn't give her any $$ and now she would decide how to spend it ( and maybe get herself that little convertible :drive:


Tell her to go on Datadoctor.org and download the keylogger. She can hide it on the computer, it won't show up under programs and she can access it with a predetermined word in the start menu of the computer and then a password. She can have all of the data sent to a separate e-mail address she sets up (Google is the best). It will tell her passwords used, websites visited, show screen shots etc. Very good software, not expensive at all. Good luck to her. :grouphug: Make sure she gets all her ducks in a row before telling him she knows. He will cover his tracks better once he realizes she's on to him. She might not find his e-mail accounts again.
 
Tell her to go on Datadoctor.org and download the keylogger. She can hide it on the computer, it won't show up under programs and she can access it with a predetermined word in the start menu of the computer and then a password. She can have all of the data sent to a separate e-mail address she sets up (Google is the best). It will tell her passwords used, websites visited, show screen shots etc. Very good software, not expensive at all. Good luck to her. :grouphug: Make sure she gets all her ducks in a row before telling him she knows. He will cover his tracks better once he realizes she's on to him. She might not find his e-mail accounts again.


Just a little FYI before anyone tries to steal data off of someone's computer. What was described above can be a crime and anything recovered could be thrown out in court anyway because of it. For example, if a keylogger is placed on the computer of anyone who works for a publicly traded company you can be prosecuted for espionage. All they have to do is log into their business email and congratulations, you are now in trouble with the Feds. If it is on the computer of anyone who works in the medical field it is a violation of HIPPA laws and can be prosecuted. This just happened up here in the Cleveland. Someone installed a key logger on a computer his ex uses for work but she is a nurse and it got on a computer that has medical records.

I work in the I.T. field and work with a lot of confidential fiscal information. Now, I take precautions to make sure a keylogger can't get put on anything I use but if on the outside chance you got one on my computer you would be prosecuted. Even if you weren't looking for the financial info and just wanted to spy on me and get personal passwords I know we would prosecute because a data breach is expensive and those things catch everything.

Go through the proper channels and get a warrant if you want info off of someone's computer. Don't play P.I. and try it yourself.
 
I live in New York. My older sister just dropped a bomb on me. She is 60 and her DH is 62. They've been married for 35 yrs. Have 3 grown kids. Last night she found emails (I know , I know) that he is having an affair. She is devastated. He is retired collecting a 90K pension and working a political hook up job 3 days a week. She has worked as a nurse for 2 days a week their whole marriage. She isn't on his bank account never has been. He controls all the money except what little she earns at her job. She is expected to pay for birthdays, holidays , sweet 16's etc out of this money. He got a large 300k check when he retired. She doesn't know where this money went. She wants to confront him but I'm afraid that she'll have no $$ or ability to find out about it. Can anyone give me a little advise. Yes I know this is a BB and she needs a lawyer but I'm trying to give her good advise ASAP. I've begged her not to say something today and I plan on taking her to the movies so she won't be near him tonight. I'd appreciate any imput you can give. It sucks she has been with this guy since she is 15 yrs old and she feels like the floor has been ripped from underneath her. She is really scared all she keeps saying is she has no $$ and she'll be out in the street. She doesn't have health insurance except through him.They have a nice house in New York and a condo in Florida. Thanks so much.

All assests are marital property, I would get a good attorney. She likely will not want to be living under his control, and it would be a more comfortable life being divorced then having him control the purse strings.

I hopw we teach our dd and children better in life, our mothers may have felt compeled to live like that, but there is no reason in 2010, to be a subservent to a man, visa versa.
:love:
 
Just a little FYI before anyone tries to steal data off of someone's computer. What was described above can be a crime and anything recovered could be thrown out in court anyway because of it. For example, if a keylogger is placed on the computer of anyone who works for a publicly traded company you can be prosecuted for espionage. All they have to do is log into their business email and congratulations, you are now in trouble with the Feds. If it is on the computer of anyone who works in the medical field it is a violation of HIPPA laws and can be prosecuted. This just happened up here in the Cleveland. Someone installed a key logger on a computer his ex uses for work but she is a nurse and it got on a computer that has medical records.

I work in the I.T. field and work with a lot of confidential fiscal information. Now, I take precautions to make sure a keylogger can't get put on anything I use but if on the outside chance you got one on my computer you would be prosecuted. Even if you weren't looking for the financial info and just wanted to spy on me and get personal passwords I know we would prosecute because a data breach is expensive and those things catch everything.

Go through the proper channels and get a warrant if you want info off of someone's computer. Don't play P.I. and try it yourself.


Wouldn't think it would be a problem if it was their home computer. You don't need a warrent for your own computer. I'm not talking about placing a keylogger his computer that he has at work. He is probably using their home computer for a lot of his e-mails and she has every right to know what her computer is being used for. No different than being alerted when your teenage goes onto a website that they shouldn't be on.
 
Wouldn't think it would be a problem if it was their home computer. You don't need a warrent for your own computer. I'm not talking about placing a keylogger his computer that he has at work. He is probably using their home computer for a lot of his e-mails and she has every right to know what her computer is being used for. No different than being alerted when your teenage goes onto a website that they shouldn't be on.

Maybe and maybe not. It depends on the situation. For example, even if I was married I would still have a separate computer that only I have access to because of my job. No one would have a log on for it except me. In that situation putting a keylogger on it, even to get my private email and info and not my work, would be a crime because of what is on it.

I don't want people to think that just because they are married they have a right to their spouse's computer. If they use it for any work, even something as simple as checking their corporate email, nothing should be installed to log anything. If they only use it for personal information it may be legally ok.
 

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