Disneyland tower.. what to expect? Direct buy?

[DianaMB333]

Hi
I am curious on what to expect for the new DVC tower in Disneyland..

Do you know when the sales start?

Current DVC members (WDW) have any priority?

Usually the first price offered is the best or is it better to wait until they are at the 90%+ of sales? Do you know how the prices changed for Riviera for example?

thanks

 

[RoseGold]

RIV is not a great example, because they will be selling it for many, many years and, well, 2020.

There have been some incentives which made the lowest price a few months into sales on several resorts, but I don't see that happening. DL Tower could sell out in months, maybe even within the first set of incentives. It's a very small property, and the demand is there. If you are interested, I would not wait for better incentives, and would buy when it is announced. You shouldn't need any kind of priority, but I would not wait around.

 

[DianaMB333]

RIV is not a great example, because they will be selling it for many, many years and, well, 2020.

There have been some incentives which made the lowest price a few months into sales on several resorts, but I don't see that happening. DL Tower could sell out in months, maybe even within the first set of incentives. It's a very small property, and the demand is there. If you are interested, I would not wait for better incentives, and would buy when it is announced. You shouldn't need any kind of priority, but I would not wait around.

Thanks!

 

[mustinjourney]

I could be wrong -- but I think the first set of incentives for RIV were the best up until whenever they started up selling again (late summer?). Incentives have gotten slightly worse each time they updated them. But I don't pay super close attention -- so I might be wrong.

 

[Eric Smith]

Hi
I am curious on what to expect for the new DVC tower in Disneyland..

Do you know when the sales start?

Current DVC members (WDW) have any priority?

Usually the first price offered is the best or is it better to wait until they are at the 90%+ of sales? Do you know how the prices changed for Riviera for example?

thanks

I've heard that current DVC members usually have priority to buy in to new resorts before the general public for a short window. I think you'd be better off buying early if you could afford it. Up to this point the list price hasn't gone down. Disney has offered incentives in the past, but they're not as good as the COVID incentives we've seen recently. I'd expect the incentives to slowly go back to where they were pre-COVID, especially by the time the Disneyland Tower goes on sale.

FWIW, we're waiting for the Disneyland Tower to buy in direct.

 

[DianaMB333]

Any expectation on when it will go out for sale?

 

[Eric Smith]

Any expectation on when it will go out for sale?

The last I saw was that it was estimated to be completed in 2023 so it would probably go on sale in late 2022 or early 2023.

 

[sethschroeder]

It's a very small property

It has 350 rooms and the point requirements could be the highest of any Studio in all of DVC. I don't think its going to sell out crazy quick and people who want a contract will get one if they are checking in randomly leading up to when it opens.

VGF - 47 Locks Offs (Std+1Br), 47 Dedicated 2BR, 6 GV (324 Studio Equivalent Points)
DLT - 28 Pods, 271 Studios, 19 1BR, 20 Dedicated, 2 GV (405.4 Studio Equivalent Points)

• *Studio Equivalent Points are a basic calculation to calculate expected size
• Pods = 80% of Studio
• Studio = 100% of Studio
• 1BR = 200% of Studio
• 2BR = 300% of Studio
• GV = 700% of Studio

In addition at DLT you are always going to have 350 rooms. At VGF you can have as little as 100 rooms if everything were rented out to 2BRs and at most 147 total rooms (less than 50% of the families).

Another thing is that unlike Poly where you have a wide range of 1BR/2BR resorts to choose from if you are a DLT owner and need a 1BR/2BR you could easily strike out. Be interesting to see if there is a huge shortage of these rooms types or Disney did an okay job balancing the requirements.

 

[RoseGold]

I don't think its going to sell out crazy quick

VGF also had an eye-popping chart at the time, but it had competition. DL Tower does not. When VGF opened sales, the guides were telling people it would sell out in 6 months. I think it was more like 9? Assuming DL gets back to full strength, and based on wild speculation and The Force, I put DL Tower at less than six months. If I wanted it, I'd be first in line, not waiting for a few hundred bucks in discounts.

 

[CastAStone]

It has 350 rooms and the point requirements could be the highest of any Studio in all of DVC. I don't think its going to sell out crazy quick and people who want a contract will get one if they are checking in randomly leading up to when it opens.

VGF - 47 Locks Offs (Std+1Br), 47 Dedicated 2BR, 6 GV (324 Studio Equivalent Points)
DLT - 28 Pods, 271 Studios, 19 1BR, 20 Dedicated, 2 GV (405.4 Studio Equivalent Points)

• *Studio Equivalent Points are a basic calculation to calculate expected size
• Pods = 80% of Studio
• Studio = 100% of Studio
• 1BR = 200% of Studio
• 2BR = 300% of Studio
• GV = 700% of Studio

In addition at DLT you are always going to have 350 rooms. At VGF you can have as little as 100 rooms if everything were rented out to 2BRs and at most 147 total rooms (less than 50% of the families).

Another thing is that unlike Poly where you have a wide range of 1BR/2BR resorts to choose from if you are a DLT owner and need a 1BR/2BR you could easily strike out. Be interesting to see if there is a huge shortage of these rooms types or Disney did an okay job balancing the requirements.

I’m expecting it to be roughly 3.5 million - 4 million points. So not a small property but not a particularly large one either. Also 18 of the rooms are lockoffs, so it could be 332 rooms booked. The 19 1 bedrooms are 18 lockoffs and 1 stand alone.

@DianaMB333 we have a Waiting for Disneyland DVC thread on the DVC resorts board!

And a breakdown of the room types:

Level	Pod	Studio	Studio LO	1BR	2BR Dedicated	GV	Total
1​	4​	11​					15​
2​	4​	17​		1​			22​
3​	3​	29​	3​	3​	2​		40​
4​	3​	29​	3​	3​	2​		40​
5​	3​	29​	3​	3​	2​		40​
6​	2​	24​	3​	3​	2​		34​
7​	2​	24​	3​	3​	2​		34​
8​	2​	20​	3​	3​	2​		30​
9​	4​	20​			2​	1​	27​
10​	4​	18​			2​		24​
11​	4​	17​			2​	1​	24​
12​	3​	15​			2​		20​
Total	38​	253​	18​	19​	20​	2​	350​

 

[i<3riviera]

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[lolcatparty]

if current dvc members get early priority does this typically include non direct owners as well?

 

[havoc315]

1. Riviera is not a good comparison -- They increased incentives during Covid, which greatly interrupted sales. If not for Covid, the lowest prices definitely would have been the earliest.
2. It's not a small property but I would expect it to sell *relatively* quickly, compared to recent WDW properties, compared to Aulani. It will be the first significant sized DVC at Disneyland. VGC is small and has a long waiting list. So there is pent up demand for a west coast DVC property. Imagine everyone on the waiting list for VGC jumping to the new property.
And I expect the points will be pretty expensive.
3. Two things will motivate and control the degree of discounts/incentives: First, early sales. You want to be able to open the resort with as many points as possible already sold. And you can't rely on resort tours to sell those points yet. So you offer good discounts to get a good jump start on sales. After that initial jump start, further discounts are entirely dependent on how sales are going. If it's selling strongly, then discounts will be reduced, prices will be increased. If sales are weak, you continue to get discounts. If sales are REALLY weak, you could get discounts even bigger than the pre-opening discounts.

 

[CastAStone]

if current dvc members get early priority does this typically include non direct owners as well?

It always has in the past. Past performance is not indicative of future plans and all that.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

 

[CastAStone]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

They have not announced either way.

 

[CarolMN]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

We don't know - nothing official has been announced. That said, it's a reasonable assumption to believe it will.

 

[Eric Smith]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

It likely will. Nothing for sure yet though.

 

[havoc315]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

Unknown but let's say it will be extremely likely.

 

[Zurezo]

Does DLT have the Riviera resale restrictions?

Restrictions won’t matter for any DVC property in Disneyland. You must own at those resorts to even have a shot at staying there. I own at the Grand and will NEVER use those points on anything but that property.