Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[YoDisney]

some days i just question the numbers & stats. I am out & about all the time, not full on SIP & my 'social pod' expanded a little more so I got tested..negative. You see other states & countries opening up & really question how can we not? I understand universal mask is every so important & to limit crowds..it's just depressing to see CA move like a snail.
Heck, I had a friend who came back from a weeklong vacation rental w/6 other families (6!)..all adults got tested before & after vacation w/negative results. risky? yes but luckily smooth sailing for them all.
and yes, i much rather be at DLR than a bar any day! at least there's more outdoors areas. and with the new guidelines, there's no way small businesses will be able to make up their losses in short amt of time. Come November when the fall weather hits, time to close up again b/c i can't see small businesses operate out in the cold. a massage/haircut/manicure in the cold?? ohkay...

 

[AZMermaid]

My 9/18-20 is still there

 

[Katie Count]

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It was really nice to see all of the pictures of the park entrances lit up the other night. I wish I lived closer to a park so we could just hop on over for DTD or Disney Springs. Even our Disney Store closed at the local mall so I can’t even get my Disney fix that way now.

 

[disneychrista]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1299435584574820352

So in six weeks or so.

 

[Aurora0427]

* off topic

 

[Violetspider]

Trying to think about if Disney tried to use the strategy of only outdoor. No indoor rides or dining. So for rides, we'd be talking Astro Orbitors, Autopia, Tea Party, Casey Jr, Dumbo, Carousel, Jungle Cruise, Tarzan Treehouse, Gadget Go Coaster. Maybe Big Thunder, Mark Twain, Columbia, Matterhorn. Doubtful Railroad, Storybook Canal Boats (while outdoors, too much interaction with CMs). No Main Street Vehicles, Star Tours, Space Mountain, Buzz, Finding Nemo, Monorail, Alice in Wonderland, Mr Toad, Peter Pan, Pinnochio, Snow White, Indy, Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Winnie Pooh, Rise of Resistance, Smugglers Run, Roger Rabbit.

At DCA it's a bit better since the pier has more outdoor rides, with Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, Luigi, maybe Racers, Incredicoaster, carousel, maybe Pixar Pals, Emotional whirlwind, Swings, Goofy Sky School, Jumpin Jellyfish, Golden Zephyr, Grizzly Rapids. No Guardians, Soarin, Monsters Inc, Toy Story Midway Mania, Ariel.

At that point, does it make sense for Disney to actually reopen? We aren't even considering dining spaces, as they would be limited to patios and having to distance tables. And stores would need to have capacity controls. Capacity would need to be much much less than 25% since there wouldn't be anything to do.

I mean, I miss Disney hardcore. Like, literally feel it in my heart that I need to go back. But I know it's not possible right now. But I guess we'll see what happens with the afternoon meeting.

Yeah, would any of you really want your AP clocks to start ticking again with that kind of restriction? The local WDW AP holders have to contend with limited rolling reservations, limited dining, no parades, no shows, no park hopping and no fireworks, but they at least have all of their rides.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Trying to think about if Disney tried to use the strategy of only outdoor. No indoor rides or dining. So for rides, we'd be talking Astro Orbitors, Autopia, Tea Party, Casey Jr, Dumbo, Carousel, Jungle Cruise, Tarzan Treehouse, Gadget Go Coaster. Maybe Big Thunder, Mark Twain, Columbia, Matterhorn. Doubtful Railroad, Storybook Canal Boats (while outdoors, too much interaction with CMs). No Main Street Vehicles, Star Tours, Space Mountain, Buzz, Finding Nemo, Monorail, Alice in Wonderland, Mr Toad, Peter Pan, Pinnochio, Snow White, Indy, Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Winnie Pooh, Rise of Resistance, Smugglers Run, Roger Rabbit.

At DCA it's a bit better since the pier has more outdoor rides, with Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, Luigi, maybe Racers, Incredicoaster, carousel, maybe Pixar Pals, Emotional whirlwind, Swings, Goofy Sky School, Jumpin Jellyfish, Golden Zephyr, Grizzly Rapids. No Guardians, Soarin, Monsters Inc, Toy Story Midway Mania, Ariel.

At that point, does it make sense for Disney to actually reopen? We aren't even considering dining spaces, as they would be limited to patios and having to distance tables. And stores would need to have capacity controls. Capacity would need to be much much less than 25% since there wouldn't be anything to do.

I mean, I miss Disney hardcore. Like, literally feel it in my heart that I need to go back. But I know it's not possible right now. But I guess we'll see what happens with the afternoon meeting.

That's not what they did in WDW and I sincerely doubt they'd do that at DL/DCA. Ride capacities are about 25%, theaters are 25%, dining is about the same. Lines are 6' spacing, hand sanitizer everywhere, complete high-touch cleaning every 2 hours, EVERYONE wears masks and gets temperature screened. You have to mobile order everything for QS. That all seems to fit the red category. There has been ZERO COVID spread attributed to the parks, and WDW opened at the PEAK of infections in FL - far above the numbers we are seeing in CA (or have ever seen for that matter). I was there - it was and still is safe. People keep wanting to put Disney in the same category as major venues and that's just not the fit. You've seen the pictures from 25% filled parks. It looks like a ghost town, not the concourse at the Super Bowl. I'm sticking with my prediction; DL/DCA opens when Orange County gets to red.

 

[crystal1313]

Our 9/13 reservations are still there....

 

[StormyCA]

I honestly think that if DL can't do a WDW-style reopening they may very well decide to stay closed. All rides open and modified, dining with SD, and no mass gathering events like fireworks, parades, etc.

 

[Lesley Wake]

FYI, my Premier pass was set to expire at the end of September and I just got an email extending it by another month. (It was originally going to expire 1 month after the parks closed).

 

[Lumpy1106]

FYI, my Premier pass was set to expire at the end of September and I just got an email extending it by another month. (It was originally going to expire 1 month after the parks closed).

Hard to say the importance. September starts Tuesday. You'd probably get extended even if the parks opened next week (and they won't).

 

[gottalovepluto]

FYI, my Premier pass was set to expire at the end of September and I just got an email extending it by another month. (It was originally going to expire 1 month after the parks closed).

So that means you’re kinda getting comped extra WDW access while Disney waits on opening up DLR? If so nice!!

 

[dina444444]

So that means you’re kinda getting comped extra WDW access while Disney waits on opening up DLR? If so nice!!

Basically yes, which after shelling out $2200 for that type of pass is nice. I may be able to take another WDW trip in the early part of 2021 depending on how much longer DLR is closed. At this point my pass will be expiring on 2/5 and that continues to have a day added to it each day dlr stays closed.

 

[gottalovepluto]

Basically yes, which after shelling out $2200 for that type of pass is nice. I may be able to take another WDW trip in the early part of 2021 depending on how much longer DLR is closed. At this point my pass will be expiring on 2/5 and that continues to have a day added to it each day dlr stays closed.

@dina444444 over here all “Stay closed! Stay closed! Stay closed!”

 

[theluckyrabbit]

Reminder to everyone posting in this thread: There was major news today which wasn't what we wanted to hear, but that doesn't excuse inappropriate behavior here. Please keep your posts respectful and courteous to others, even when disagreeing. There is no reason to be sarcastic, argumentative, or dismissive here. Ever. And even though the star of today's discussion was Gov. Newsom, please don't make political comments or insinuations here. Stating facts is different than posting opinions.
For those who kept this thread moving on track, stayed respectful with each other, and posted links/sources for their information, gold stars to all! Thank you!
Let's get this show back on the road...

 

[theluckyrabbit]

DIS article on today's news conference:
https://www.wdwinfo.com/news-storie...-dining-could-return-to-downtown-disney-soon/

 

[midnight star]

Has there been any updates on the “meeting” from this afternoon?

 

[mouschievous]

There's a really interesting study out of UC Boulder regarding musicians and aerosol spread (don't worry @theluckyrabbit , this is going to be on topic, I promise!) They looked not only at how far the spread went, but how saturated the air became in indoor settings, then used that to make recommendations to musicians, including college and high school programs.

One of the things they looked at was how long they could play indoors before needing to clear out the room, and how long before all of the old air was cycled out and new air came in. That refresh rate on fresh air seems to be the reason so little spread is seen from outdoor events. One of the things the study showed is that work in a large space significantly increases the time and/or number of people who can be in the space before it is deemed unsafe. The UC Boulder study came up with a formula regarding determining safety of the use of a space that uses the refresh rate and the size of the room to determine safety. Texas Tech, for example, has been told that instrumentalists (wind, brass) can rehearse 30 minutes in a room, and then the room must be empty for X amount of time (30 minutes? an hour? I can't remember) before another group of musicians comes in. That was determined using the formula from the UC Boulder study.

I would love to see Disney take that formula and do the calculations for their indoor attractions. Many of those indoor attractions are quite cavernous, and it may be possible that with some strategy those same principles could be applied - and Disney could use math and science to show just how safe it would be.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

There's a really interesting study out of UC Boulder regarding musicians and aerosol spread (don't worry @theluckyrabbit , this is going to be on topic, I promise!) They looked not only at how far the spread went, but how saturated the air became in indoor settings, then used that to make recommendations to musicians, including college and high school programs.

One of the things they looked at was how long they could play indoors before needing to clear out the room, and how long before all of the old air was cycled out and new air came in. That refresh rate on fresh air seems to be the reason so little spread is seen from outdoor events. One of the things the study showed is that work in a large space significantly increases the time and/or number of people who can be in the space before it is deemed unsafe. The UC Boulder study came up with a formula regarding determining safety of the use of a space that uses the refresh rate and the size of the room to determine safety. Texas Tech, for example, has been told that instrumentalists (wind, brass) can rehearse 30 minutes in a room, and then the room must be empty for X amount of time (30 minutes? an hour? I can't remember) before another group of musicians comes in. That was determined using the formula from the UC Boulder study.

I would love to see Disney take that formula and do the calculations for their indoor attractions. Many of those indoor attractions are quite cavernous, and it may be possible that with some strategy those same principles could be applied - and Disney could use math and science to show just how safe it would be.

This is interesting. Another concern with Disney indoor attractions/rides would be making sure that guests keep their masks on the entire time, not removing them because they think they can get away with it, or to sing along or to 'scream outside their hearts.' Guests removing their masks and singing/screaming would really concern me on longer indoor rides/attractions.

 

[mouschievous]

This is interesting. Another concern with Disney indoor attractions/rides would be making sure that guests keep their masks on the entire time, not removing them because they think they can get away with it or to sing along or to 'scream outside their hearts.' Guests removing their masks and singing/screaming would really concern me on longer indoor rides/attractions.

It's been a few days since I looked at the report on the study, but if I remember correctly they looked at aerosol spread of singers with masks on and off. So Disney could calculate the safety based on the information about singers without masks. That doesn't help much if you are in an Indy car with people who remove their mask, since you're close to them, but it does if they limit cars to one party/social group.