Disneyland Paris Bailout

Yep, meanwhile we sit here paying double what the overseas guest do, and they are the ones enjoying the new rides while we get FP+. Perhaps a park in Paris just wasn't the best idea hmmmm, who would have though?

I'm no economist, but why throw so much money at parks in other countries that you can barely get people to come to, while at the same time spending a billion dollars on a system to try and manage the massive amount of people banging on the doors to get in the US parks? Seems to be the better plan would be to add rides here, open a 5th gate, or even open a whole new Disney Land in Texas or even Mexico. Heck, if you found a way to build a large part of the park indoors, it might could work in the middle of Montana or Canada!:happytv:
 
I've visited it.

I don't think they are too worried about guests who will never visit it.

If I got angry about how I felt that Disney was spending MY money then I'd just stop going. Once you give that money to Disney, it's their money, not yours. At any rate, money for the US parks and money for the overseas parks are NOT in the same budget.
 

Since I have been there, and will probably visit again next year, I am happy to see them making some changes. Employee morale was in the toilet and it didn't make sire a great theme park experience, even though some of their attractions are top-notch.

And since I am buying some stock, it makes me even happier.

But, on your point, it doesn't really bother me. If they make that a stellar park, then that is one more that will make more people want to visit Disney there than here in the US, meaning less crowds!!!! (And that, people, was a joke)
 
It looks like Disney is spending a lot of money to keep Disneyland Paris up and running. Does it anger anyone else that Disney prices keep going up and it looks like a lot of the money we are spending might be going into parks that we will never visit?

http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/06/media/disney-paris-bailout/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

By "we" I assume you are referring only to yourself and other Americans? You do realize that for many millions of people, DLP is their home resort, don't you? Should they be upset because Disney is wasting billions on FP+ at WDW when, chances are, they will never set foot in the US?

Disney is a multinational corp. I would hope that they wouldn't neglect one area of operation because a small segment of their customer base would not choose to use it.
 
It looks like Disney is spending a lot of money to keep Disneyland Paris up and running. Does it anger anyone else that Disney prices keep going up and it looks like a lot of the money we are spending might be going into parks that we will never visit?
Otherwise it would have been distributed as dividend to shareholders and still not invested in the US parks (or in new movies or in a new cruiseship or whatever). Disneyland Paris has been struggling for 22 years now. They started wrong by Michail Eisners decision to build 7 hotels on opening day, choosing a name with "euro" in it while that is a very nasty word in Europe and have wasted a lot of money on a second gate, worse than DCA. They suffer a lot from French Unions who do not hesitate to organise load protests at Parade time in the MK.
But still it is the number 1 tourist destination of Europe by number of visitors.
 
By taking over the resort they can probably get it in the right direction.

Do you think it is to late to mention the Mark Twain to Disney?
 
By taking over the resort they can probably get it in the right direction.

Do you think it is to late to mention the Mark Twain to Disney?

Maybe the Mart Twain situation contributed to this.

Last year when I went to DLRP the financial situation was really starting to show in the parks. Once upon a time Disneyland Paris was regarded the most beautiful of all the Disney parks. Last year everywhere you looked there were special effects not working, gardens not being maintained, trash everywhere, rides that have gone far too long without refurbs.
 
Yep, meanwhile we sit here paying double what the overseas guest do.

Not sure where you get that idea from.

7 days at Port Orleans riverside at last week of January for 2 adults is $1931

7 days at Sequoia Lodge for same week and 2 adults is £1232 = $1971


For the Port Orleans you're getting 4 great parks + 2 water parks + downtown disney and a very nice hotel.

For Sequoia you're getting 1 great park and WDS - which you could do in 3 hours if Crushes coaster had a FP, but it hasn't so two hours of entertainment and 2 hours of queuing for Crush. Thats before you look at park maintenance, CM attitude, limited opening hours of restaurants/shops/attractions.

I truely think the only thing keeping DLRP going is the cost of air travel. If Brits/EU people could travel to America cheaper then it would be the end of DLRP.
 
I truly think the only thing keeping DLRP going is the cost of air travel. If Brits/EU people could travel to America cheaper then it would be the end of DLRP.

I've been to DLP twice which is twice more than 99.9999 percent of Americans will ever go. This above statement is absolutely on the money. When I'm at WDW I love to start conversations with Brits to see how they feel about DLP. The most common reviews I hear from them contains the word rubbish. The consensus is we go but if airfare to the States was cheaper we wouldn't
 
You do realize that Walt Disney and his company several times went nearly bankrupt reinvesting into the company? For years Disney was a money pit.

Yep, meanwhile we sit here paying double what the overseas guest do, and they are the ones enjoying the new rides while we get FP+. Perhaps a park in Paris just wasn't the best idea hmmmm, who would have though?

I'm no economist, but why throw so much money at parks in other countries that you can barely get people to come to, while at the same time spending a billion dollars on a system to try and manage the massive amount of people banging on the doors to get in the US parks? Seems to be the better plan would be to add rides here, open a 5th gate, or even open a whole new Disney Land in Texas or even Mexico. Heck, if you found a way to build a large part of the park indoors, it might could work in the middle of Montana or Canada!:happytv:
 
Yep, meanwhile we sit here paying double what the overseas guest do, and they are the ones enjoying the new rides while we get FP+. Perhaps a park in Paris just wasn't the best idea hmmmm, who would have though? I'm no economist, but why throw so much money at parks in other countries that you can barely get people to come to, while at the same time spending a billion dollars on a system to try and manage the massive amount of people banging on the doors to get in the US parks? Seems to be the better plan would be to add rides here, open a 5th gate, or even open a whole new Disney Land in Texas or even Mexico. Heck, if you found a way to build a large part of the park indoors, it might could work in the middle of Montana or Canada!:happytv:

DLP is packed year round with locals and doesn't really have an off season. Whatever the problem is it isn't lack of guests.
 
Not to mention the the Ratatouille ride is easily one of the coolest rides on any Disney property!
BG
 
DLP is packed year round with locals and doesn't really have an off season. Whatever the problem is it isn't lack of guests.

Thats unfortunately not true. They're moderately packed in the summer, very packed (but not at capacity) at Christmas. The rest of the year - not so busy.

Plus attendance is apparently down considerably - I think I read 7% somewhere but can't find the story now. Thats with Ratatouille.

Likewise, hotel occupancy is down a lot in the last year apparently. They have so much spare capacity currently that they plan on entirely closing HNY for a year for refurbishment rather than a rolling refurbishment like a Disney hotel would normally have. Maybe they should close it earlier than the planned date of late 2015.

edit, found this:

http://corporate.disneylandparis.com/CORP/EN/Neutral/Images/1993-2013-historical-drivers.pdf
 
Bottom line is that it is a drain on the company as a whole. It impedes expansion/improvements for WDW(which is primarily what most of us care about).
 
Bottom line is that it is a drain on the company as a whole. It impedes expansion/improvements for WDW(which is primarily what most of us care about).

Disagree.

Yes its a drain on the company.

However, I do not believe it has an affect on expansion/improvement of WDW at all. If they weren't losing money on DLRP, they'd be spending it elsewhere in the world (other than USA). 2nd gate at HK, 3rd at Tokyo, 2nd at Shanghai, new resorts elsewhere - south America?

Besides, Disney have just spent a cool billion $ at WDW on nextgen so that proves world wide park investment has no impact on WDW investment.

The lack of actual improvements/expansion to WDW is more likely related to the stubbornly high attendance figures. No matter how much WDW cut back on entertainment and attraction investment, the attendance figures just refuse to fall enough to justify doing something about it.
 
Disagree.

Yes its a drain on the company.

However, I do not believe it has an affect on expansion/improvement of WDW at all. If they weren't losing money on DLRP, they'd be spending it elsewhere in the world (other than USA). 2nd gate at HK, 3rd at Tokyo, 2nd at Shanghai, new resorts elsewhere - south America?

Besides, Disney have just spent a cool billion $ at WDW on nextgen so that proves world wide park investment has no impact on WDW investment.

The lack of actual improvements/expansion to WDW is more likely related to the stubbornly high attendance figures. No matter how much WDW cut back on entertainment and attraction investment, the attendance figures just refuse to fall enough to justify doing something about it.

As mch as I hate to say it...you are probably right.

Sad for us WDW fans.
 
I visited DLP only once, 10+ years ago. I still can't get that sleeping dragon under Sleeping Beauty's palace out of my mind.
 












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