Disneyland at Christmas/Holiday Season Superthread #2 (Closed)

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Disneydreamsdancer -

You're welcome! And thank you for the kind words.:goodvibes

IASW Holiday will probably stay open beyond January 6th - for some reason, that seems to be up and running until mid/late January (closer to MLK Day). So you will probably have several chances to ride that. But you should be able to get in a ride on Haunted Mansion Holiday on January 6th, before it closes down.

I'm not sure how long the Storybook Land boats (with the teeny tiny decorations) will stay open, but that's worth seeing if you can catch it. I think that the Reindeer Round-Up should still be open on 1/6/13. The themed decorations in Toon Town, A Bug's Land and New Orleans Square should still be up on 1/6/13. In fact, some of the NOS decorations (like the masks) will stay up as long as February/early March, if Disneyland does their Mardi Gras weekend thing again.

We found last year at this time that the parks stayed decorated while the hotels started taking them down. One day the tree was up at GCH the next there was an attractive table where the tree stood. :santa:
 
I hope the crowds get lighter after January 1st! We are planning a trip from January 2nd through the 6th. I hope to be able to see some of the Christmas theming that week, especially IASWH and the HM. I agree with a PP about Cars Land not being decorated for Christmas (hopefully).

It was really busy when we went during that time. There were alot of people visiting because of the Rose Bowl and trying to catch the Christmas Decorations. It was almost like a summer day.

I didn't mind the crowds...we were in Disneyland!
 
I hope it dies down a bit after the first as well... We're there from the 30th to the 1st... No lack of crowds on those days:eek:

I hope the crowds get lighter after January 1st! We are planning a trip from January 2nd through the 6th. I hope to be able to see some of the Christmas theming that week, especially IASWH and the HM. I agree with a PP about Cars Land not being decorated for Christmas (hopefully).

The Villas at Grand California are charging premier DVC points through January 5th (the highest points of the year), but it appears that the hotel prices are more "value" season priced from what I can gather off the Disneyland website ($300 per night for the DLH and $240 for the PPH). Unfortunately, I can't currently book the rooms right now as my arrival date has to be in 2012. :confused3 Do you know when they might open up those dates for booking?

What kind of rain do you see that time of year? Being from Colorado, mild temperatures don't bother us, but I am crossing our fingers for dry weather.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention -

As to the lack of photos "of the holiday tour" on this site, I'm not sure what that exactly means.

What's actually on the tour includes IASWH, HMH and the parade. There are tons and tons of photos of those 3 events/attractions, in this thread and all over the Internet.

So if it's a matter of not seeing enough pictures of the souvenir cup, the collectible pin, the gingerbread cookie with mouse ears, or the tour guide(s), there probably have not been as many of those.

Now, as for reviews of the tour - complete with pictures documenting it from beginning to end - we have had quite a few DIS'ers post their reviews in their actual trip reports. What would be great is if a couple of people could post their full tour reviews with the step-by-step pictures actually IN this thread as well. I don't mind referring people to other DIS'ers' TR's or even to other websites at times, but it would be nice to have one or two complete reviews w/ the photos in this specific thread as well. Canadadisney, if you can do that it would be awesome! We'd all love and appreciate it!

Hi Sherry

Ask and you will receive. A review of the Holiday Tour. We had booked for the 3pm holiday tour so we would see the evening parade on December 22 last year. I had booked our tickets at 30 days out for the six of us, Grandma and Grandpa, DH and I and our two daughters aged 12 and almost 10. We love a Disney parade and one of the main reasons to book the tour was to have a lovely seat waiting for us.

I collected our tickets for City Hall during the morning, and met at around 2.30 at the gazebo in the Tour Garden to the left of City Hall. People began assembling. This was around the time of the first parade of the day.

Three separate groups departed on the day with around 15 people in each group. We were the last of the three groups to head off. Each of us received a special tour tag that identified us as part of the group. We all also received earphones to hear instructions from our tour guide along the way. Our tour guide had a magical candle that would be powered by our Christmas spirit. We had to yell out Happy Holidays to make it work. DH hates anything were group participation is involved and the tour was just within his limits. :rotfl2:

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Whilst walking music also played in our ears. As we walked down Main Street special Christmas traditions were pointed out at Walt's Apartment, Hannukah in one of the stores on Main Street. As we walked passed the candy store we all received a sample of fudge. The air vents that send out the smells to Main Street were also pointed out. We wandered through Fantasyland, past Reindeer Roundup, through Frontierland to New Orleans Square. In each land we spoke about Christmas traditions in Europe, in the new Frontier and in New Orleans. We learnt lots of different ways to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.

We then went to the front of the line at Haunted Mansion all decorated for the holidays. This was my only time for the whole trip. My youngest DD is not a fan, however because it was part of the tour she went along which was great. Was happy to ride again.

We then boarded our private reserved carriage for our train ride from New Orleans Square to Toon Town where we were encouraged to join in a Carols sing a long which got the whole train bopping along. Very nice.

On disembarking we made our way to Its a Small World were again we went straight to the beginning for our magical tour through Christmas around the world. I do really love this ride at Christmas.

From here we headed back to Toontown to collect our Hot Chocolate in Souvenir Cup and a Christmas decorated Mickey Gingerbread Man. We took these with us back to the promenade outside Its a Small World where the three row of chairs were waiting.

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Each group had a set of seats around 8 across. Grandpa was not having his girls miss the front row (as they were the smallest) and walked briskly at the front to reserve our front row seats. He was not nasty or mean, just determined. There were no bad seats but he is a Grandpa after all who adores his only two grandbabies. He would have taken the back row for them to sit in front.

We sat and shortly afterwards the parade began. Just as good a view of waiting in the gutter. The dancers and characters all came over to dance and high five us (including Woody!). It was truly enchanting.

The tour concluded here and we handed back our headsets and received our special Holiday Tour Pin. We then continued to enjoy our evening at the park.

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Would I do it again? Probably not for DH and the kids as we can brave the gutters but for my parents it was a great way to spend time and save their weary bones waiting for the parade. Also knowing that we had it planned we did not have to worry about when to put the tour into our plans. We could also make the most of the slightly shorter queues whilst the parade was going on.

Am I glad we did it? Sure am, it is a must do just once and it was a really special memory of the trip.

We didn't take the camera along with us on the tour as we just wanted to be in the moment and enjoy which became quite a theme on the trip. Do have lots of photos but did not travel with camera every day.

DH just wanted to enjoy the parade go by.
 

Sherry E said:
This is supposed to be an El Nino year - if history repeats, that could mean heavy, messy rain on many days during December. If it is not pouring, then it could range from 50-degree days and 30 degree nights, to 80-degree days and 60-degree nights! I've even been to DLR when it was 90 degrees in December!

There have literally been days when it was too hot to be December (and I am not a heat fan), and other days when I could not get warm enough and my teeth were literally chattering after dark.

NO, no no no, do not like that rain bit at all! I have friends who say they love when it rains at Disneyland because then it's no crowds, but this is my first, and maybe only, time, and I'm a big picture person. I can't take pics in the rain. So I'll hope you're wrong ;)

I've been at WDW when it's freezing & colder than it is here in NJ, so I'm guessing it will be cold, lol. I hate the heat, but from experience, I enjoy Disney more when it's hot (and the CA heat can't be as bad as the worst FL heat) than freezing.

btw, my name is Heather, so you don't have to keep trying to type my username, lol (i wasn't going to post much when I signed up, but now I wish it was different so it was easier for people to remember/spell, lol.)
 
Hello, KSDisneyDad!

Welcome!

I definitely think the crowds will get a bit lighter after January 1st or 2nd, but I suspect they won't be at their lightest until after the season ends on January 6th (assuming January 6th is the definite ending date). New Year's Day falling on a Tuesday this time around could mean that some people stay at DLR to celebrate that whole day and then leave the following day. Or, it could mean that some people take the approach of, "Well, by the time I get back home after New Year's, the work week will almost be over, so...we might as well stay the entire week and leave on Sunday!"

I think you will see most of the decorations in and around the lands. Haunted Mansion Holiday should shut down after January 6th, but IASW Holiday should stay open until mid-to-late January, if it follows tradition. What you will miss are things like Dickens carolers and probably the 3 hotels' Santas. The Santa at the Reindeer Round-Up in Disneyland should still be there (in his street clothes!) past Christmas, and the one in California Adventure may or may not be there.

I think you will, unfortunately, miss out on the lovely decorations at the 3 DLR hotels. The GCH and PPH trees are stunning, and the DLH usually has a main tree in each tower and other fun decorations (like the whimsical tree at Goofy's Kitchen, for example), but I think those will come down by the time your trip begins.

I think there will be many people who would be surprised and maybe disappointed to see Cars Land with full-fledged, themed decorations so soon. I, personally, won't mind if it is decorated - I am a sucker for themed decorations in the lands and I am a sucker for the holiday season and all decorations associated with it - but I would be shocked if Disney goes all out with Cars Land holiday decorations in its first year, since there are so many people who have not yet gotten to see Cars Land in its original state.

Buena Vista Street is to DCA what Main Street is to DL, so there would have to be some decorations there. I think it's inevitable. Plus, I am pretty sure that the freshly-made candy canes are going to be made at Trolley Treats on BVS this year (in November and December, not in January), so there has to be some sign of the season in that land!

I'm actually now wondering if the main, large Christmas tree in California Adventure will remain where it has been since 2009 - in the Paradise Pier area of DCA - or if it will find a new home near Buena Vista Street.

The problem with DCA and the holiday season is that not only are the decorations lacking in comparison to Disneyland's decorations, but since the Golden Gate Bridge and the CALIFORNIA letters were removed, there is nothing that really makes a 'holiday statement' at/near the entrance to that specific park. There are some red decorations above the DCA turnstiles, but they are rather underwhelming. They need something near the entrance to the park that says it is the holiday season and catches our attention. This is why I think it's entirely possible the Christmas tree could get a new home this year and end up on Buena Vista Street!

I've heard about the issue with the hotels and booking for the following year. Is this just online, or does it happen on the phone as well? I am thinking it might be an online issue. If you haven't tried to book over the phone, try that approach and see if it works.

As for weather - rain or no rain in January - in SoCal it typically doesn't rain like it rains in other states, of course, but supposedly this will be an "El Nino year" for us - which can sometimes cause some extreme rain. Anyone who has lived in SoCal for a long time has probably lived through some El Nino winters. I can remember certain El Nino years in which the rain was seemingly never-ending!

The El Nino rain is different from other SoCal/non-El Nino rain. El Nino rain tends to be heavy, pounding, long-lasting and constant - like lasting for days and weeks on end. It's the kind of rain that causes the storm drains to back up (because we are not prepared for that kind of rain most of the time) and roofs to cave in, as well as mudslides and other stuff (for example, late 2004's/early 2005's winter was full of El Nino rain and that wreaked havoc on the ceiling at my former job).

I don't know for sure that this is the rain we will get this coming winter - we may dodge the bullet and just get some mild, non-threatening SoCal rain - but it could happen, so be aware!

Thanks for the thorough response! We figured it might be a little more crowded, but we were just hoping for it not to be crazy crowded right after the new year. We are the type that is up early and uses FPs to minimize waits.

I don't mind the trees being down in the hotels. It's simply not worth the cost to come between Christmas and New Year itself. I also don't mind if DCA had their decorations down even though they probably will still have them up. I was just hoping to catch the tail-end of the decorations for DL itself, especially the Castle and the themed rides.

Your response about the rain does scare me a bit. That doesn't sound fun at all. I can handle a little rain, but constant heavy rain is no fun. Unfortunately, with our kids school and sports schedules, this is the time that works best for us. I guess we could always look into next March during Spring Break. Is Spring Break in DLR as bad as WDW with respect to the crowds?
 
Hi Sherry

Ask and you will receive. A review of the Holiday Tour. We had booked for the 3pm holiday tour so we would see the evening parade on December 22 last year. I had booked our tickets at 30 days out for the six of us, Grandma and Grandpa, DH and I and our two daughters aged 12 and almost 10. We love a Disney parade and one of the main reasons to book the tour was to have a lovely seat waiting for us.

I collected our tickets for City Hall during the morning, and met at around 2.30 at the gazebo in the Tour Garden to the left of City Hall. People began assembling. This was around the time of the first parade of the day.

Three separate groups departed on the day with around 15 people in each group. We were the last of the three groups to head off. Each of us received a special tour tag that identified us as part of the group. We all also received earphones to hear instructions from our tour guide along the way. Our tour guide had a magical candle that would be powered by our Christmas spirit. We had to yell out Happy Holidays to make it work. DH hates anything were group participation is involved and the tour was just within his limits. :rotfl2:

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Whilst walking music also played in our ears. As we walked down Main Street special Christmas traditions were pointed out at Walt's Apartment, Hannukah in one of the stores on Main Street. As we walked passed the candy store we all received a sample of fudge. The air vents that send out the smells to Main Street were also pointed out. We wandered through Fantasyland, past Reindeer Roundup, through Frontierland to New Orleans Square. In each land we spoke about Christmas traditions in Europe, in the new Frontier and in New Orleans. We learnt lots of different ways to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.

We then went to the front of the line at Haunted Mansion all decorated for the holidays. This was my only time for the whole trip. My youngest DD is not a fan, however because it was part of the tour she went along which was great. Was happy to ride again.

We then boarded our private reserved carriage for our train ride from New Orleans Square to Toon Town where we were encouraged to join in a Carols sing a long which got the whole train bopping along. Very nice.

On disembarking we made our way to Its a Small World were again we went straight to the beginning for our magical tour through Christmas around the world. I do really love this ride at Christmas.

From here we headed back to Toontown to collect our Hot Chocolate in Souvenir Cup and a Christmas decorated Mickey Gingerbread Man. We took these with us back to the promenade outside Its a Small World where the three row of chairs were waiting.

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Each group had a set of seats around 8 across. Grandpa was not having his girls miss the front row (as they were the smallest) and walked briskly at the front to reserve our front row seats. He was not nasty or mean, just determined. There were no bad seats but he is a Grandpa after all who adores his only two grandbabies. He would have taken the back row for them to sit in front.

We sat and shortly afterwards the parade began. Just as good a view of waiting in the gutter. The dancers and characters all came over to dance and high five us (including Woody!). It was truly enchanting.

The tour concluded here and we handed back our headsets and received our special Holiday Tour Pin. We then continued to enjoy our evening at the park.

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Would I do it again? Probably not for DH and the kids as we can brave the gutters but for my parents it was a great way to spend time and save their weary bones waiting for the parade. Also knowing that we had it planned we did not have to worry about when to put the tour into our plans. We could also make the most of the slightly shorter queues whilst the parade was going on.

Am I glad we did it? Sure am, it is a must do just once and it was a really special memory of the trip.

We didn't take the camera along with us on the tour as we just wanted to be in the moment and enjoy which became quite a theme on the trip. Do have lots of photos but did not travel with camera every day.

DH just wanted to enjoy the parade go by.

Hi, Mia!:cool1:

Welcome back! I hadn't seen you post in this thread (or anywhere, really) for ages and ages. I wondered where you disappeared to!

Thank you so much for copying your tour review here, since I guess that will help some folks who are looking for detailed tour info within the thread. In fact, you reminded me that I must copy the links to the posts with Tksbaskets' great tour review and photos too. I will have to add them to maybe Post #3 of this thread, along with yours, under the Holiday Tour category.

I also referred someone to your Holiday tour check-in/info thread from last year too, but I can't recall when I did!:rotfl2:



NO, no no no, do not like that rain bit at all! I have friends who say they love when it rains at Disneyland because then it's no crowds, but this is my first, and maybe only, time, and I'm a big picture person. I can't take pics in the rain. So I'll hope you're wrong ;)

I've been at WDW when it's freezing & colder than it is here in NJ, so I'm guessing it will be cold, lol. I hate the heat, but from experience, I enjoy Disney more when it's hot (and the CA heat can't be as bad as the worst FL heat) than freezing.

btw, my name is Heather, so you don't have to keep trying to type my username, lol (i wasn't going to post much when I signed up, but now I wish it was different so it was easier for people to remember/spell, lol.)

Hi, Heather! (That should be an easy name for me to remember, as one of my best friends is named Heather!)

I know exactly, totally, 100% what you mean. I am a picture-takin' fool (I spend a lot of days at DLR just taking photos and not riding any rides!), and that is a huge reason I don't want it to rain while I am at DLR. Plus, it's just messy. I love the holiday season so much, and there are soooo many wonderful things to take photos of. If it rains, then my camera has to be put away and I don't like that.

I will agree that crowds disappear when there is rain or even the threat of rain. Heck, last year one of my trip days was merely a windy day (no rain at all), and the winds kept the crowds away! It was great! But I don't like to make my way around DLR when it's raining. I've done it. I looked like a drowned rat. I didn't like it.

Ideally, since I'm not a fan of heat either, I like to be at DLR in the Fall or simply when it is cold and dry. I don't mind it if it drops down to 30 or 40 degrees (which is cold for SoCal)! Yes, I will be cold and shivering, and will need a coat, but I like good, crisp, chilly air! It feels much more holiday-esque that way!

Thanks for the thorough response! We figured it might be a little more crowded, but we were just hoping for it not to be crazy crowded right after the new year. We are the type that is up early and uses FPs to minimize waits.

I don't mind the trees being down in the hotels. It's simply not worth the cost to come between Christmas and New Year itself. I also don't mind if DCA had their decorations down even though they probably will still have them up. I was just hoping to catch the tail-end of the decorations for DL itself, especially the Castle and the themed rides.

Your response about the rain does scare me a bit. That doesn't sound fun at all. I can handle a little rain, but constant heavy rain is no fun. Unfortunately, with our kids school and sports schedules, this is the time that works best for us. I guess we could always look into next March during Spring Break. Is Spring Break in DLR as bad as WDW with respect to the crowds?

KSDisneyDad -

You're very welcome!

I wouldn't worry about the rain just yet. It will be a while before we find out if we can expect true El Nino conditions. There have been false alarms in the past, when the weather people said they thought it would be an El Nino year and then the weather pattern ended up changing before Winter. So whatever rain ended up happening that year was just basic SoCal rain and nothing too terrible.

I do remember one actual El Nino rain year when I kept tuning in to the weather forecast every day for weeks, and the rain just kept coming. I kept looking for one day in the forecast when there would be a break or a little happy sun icon, meaning we could start to dry out (because our grounds become saturated quickly and that's when the streets start flooding and all kind of mayhem ensues), but it took forever to happen!

El Nino weather conditions usually come about every 4 or 5 years, I think, so we are due - but again, there have been false alarms in the past. So don't worry about it yet. I'm sure your trip will be great - and hopefully dry!!
 
Anyone know what kind of crowd levels the week before Christmas? Next year Christmas is on a Wednesday so we would likely be looking to hit the parks Monday the 16th through Thursday the 19th, maybe Friday. I figured Friday might be getting ugly as for some schools it might be a half-day anyway. Thoughts? TIA!
 
We are planning trip the first week of december. Are we going to run into early closures because of cm parties?
 
Hi, Mia!:cool1:

Welcome back! I hadn't seen you post in this thread (or anywhere, really) for ages and ages. I wondered where you disappeared to!

Thank you so much for copying your tour review here, since I guess that will help some folks who are looking for detailed tour info within the thread. In fact, you reminded me that I must copy the links to the posts with Tksbaskets' great tour review and photos too. I will have to add them to maybe Post #3 of this thread, along with yours, under the Holiday Tour category.

I also referred someone to your Holiday tour check-in/info thread from last year too, but I can't recall when I did!:rotfl2:

Hi Sherry

I have been absent from DISBOARDS. Life has been a tad busy since we returned and I have just been too tired or had too many other things to do to be caught on DISBOARDS:rotfl2:

I have just returned to my trip report which I last added to on January 12 which is really sad. I have included the link as it is over on the Australia page. We had such a wonderful Christmas and loved spending Christmas Day in the park. We used fastpasses, took breaks and just went with the flow. The Wednesday before Christmas we did 23 rides and Fantasmic. Not bad with six of us.

Christmas Day we did not focus on rides but just enjoying the day and the atmosphere. It was a glorious sunny day and we just loved it. Had a beautiful dinner at Storytellers at the Grand Californian. I could spend every Christmas at Disneyland forever more, if not for the expensive airfares from Oz at the time of the year.

Thanks again to everyone on this thread that shares. From each and everyone of you I have found information, inspiration and fellow people who understand the extra magic at this time of year. I will promise to pop in during the lead up to Christmas and share photos and tips, and help out with answers when I can.

Mia
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=43395141#post43395141
 
Anyone know what kind of crowd levels the week before Christmas? Next year Christmas is on a Wednesday so we would likely be looking to hit the parks Monday the 16th through Thursday the 19th, maybe Friday. I figured Friday might be getting ugly as for some schools it might be a half-day anyway. Thoughts? TIA!

Pesky -

From what some reports have indicated, it's really only the first couple of weeks in December that have slightly lower crowds, and then once you get into the third week it starts gradually picking up. Some people don't begin their Christmas holidays until the weekend before Christmas, and some seem to take their breaks earlier.

I agree that Friday, December 20, 2013 will probably be the worst day of the bunch.

We are planning trip the first week of december. Are we going to run into early closures because of cm parties?

brerboys -

Unfortunately, we never find out when the CM parties are until maybe October or November! We have a while to go - we don't even really have the official 100% confirmation of the holiday season dates yet.

The CM parties should probably be held on 12/10 & 12/11 this year. They used to be on the Monday and Tuesday immediately following the Candlelight Processional, but in 2010 and 2011 the parties happened one week later than they used to be held. We are assuming the Candlelight Processional will be held on 12/1 and 12/2 (no confirmation on that yet either), so therefore I think the CM parties would be on 12/10 and 12/11.

If, for some reason, you should be at the parks on the days when the CM parties take place, you'd find that Disneyland would close at 6 p.m. - after the Winter Castle lighting, IASW Holiday lighting, parade, fireworks and snow on Main Street - but California Adventure would stay open, as would the 3 Disney hotels and Downtown Disney, of course.
 
Fun to see so much action on our thread. It was 104 here today. Dreaming of DL at Christmas is lovely :cloud9:
 
Fun to see so much action on our thread. It was 104 here today. Dreaming of DL at Christmas is lovely :cloud9:


Boy the east has been hit some heat. Crazy. We reached 93 today, it felt hotter to me. But at least we are cooling off at night do to the fog bank over the bay area.
 
Anyone know what kind of crowd levels the week before Christmas? Next year Christmas is on a Wednesday so we would likely be looking to hit the parks Monday the 16th through Thursday the 19th, maybe Friday. I figured Friday might be getting ugly as for some schools it might be a half-day anyway. Thoughts? TIA!

Would love to know this as well. We will be there from December 16th to 22nd. We were at WDW last year during the same time frame and it got pretty crazy at times. Loved it and would do it again though.....now I can't wait for Christmas at DL!
 
Anyone know what kind of crowd levels the week before Christmas? Next year Christmas is on a Wednesday so we would likely be looking to hit the parks Monday the 16th through Thursday the 19th, maybe Friday. I figured Friday might be getting ugly as for some schools it might be a half-day anyway. Thoughts? TIA!

Would love to know this as well. We will be there from December 16th to 22nd. We were at WDW last year during the same time frame and it got pretty crazy at times. Loved it and would do it again though.....now I can't wait for Christmas at DL!
 
Pesky -


- we don't even really have the official 100% confirmation of the holiday season dates yet.

Not sure if this is "official 100% confirmation", but this is what is posted on the Disney travel agent web site for Disneyland:

Holidays at the Disneyland® Resort

The Merriest Place on Earth Just Got Merrier!

The holidays are a time to gather with family and friends to share memorable moments you'll treasure forever. And when it comes to celebrating the season, there's nothing like Holidays at the Disneyland® Resort, from November 12 through January 6.



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Good was hoping to see some decorations on our trip November 7th to the 14th. So atleast we might catch in 2 days of christmas time at DLR .

Now to figure out if we really want to hit the parks on November 11th the Sunday or not ? What is it usually like on November 11th and do you americans recognize it on the monday as a holiday too ?
 
Good was hoping to see some decorations on our trip November 7th to the 14th. So atleast we might catch in 2 days of christmas time at DLR .

Now to figure out if we really want to hit the parks on November 11th the Sunday or not ? What is it usually like on November 11th and do you americans recognize it on the monday as a holiday too ?

We're contemplating similar issues. It's a weekend, so some entertainment will be on that is not on during weekdays in Nov., but it's the end of our eight days in the park, so maybe not so necessary? Because there should be goodly sized crowds, judging by the 20% spike in hotel prices I've seen on as that weekend is Veterans' Day weekend, with the Monday being the official observed holiday. I tihnk a fair number of people come to make it a 3-day weekend. But going then should give us an early chance to try IASWH. I don't want to risk it being broken down or having horrendous lines on Monday the 12th....
 
Veterans Day weekend in general is really REALLY busy...there are very few times I will avoid DL like the plague and this is one of those times:rotfl:
 
Veterans Day weekend in general is really REALLY busy...there are very few times I will avoid DL like the plague and this is one of those times:rotfl:


And President's Day weekend. At least in my experience.
 
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