Disney World MultiPass Scheduling Woes

[sagosto]

You are not the first guest to complain but this is how the system works.

This has been working exactly this way since July 2024 when LLMP launched. That is why everyone kept telling you to move your Figment or cancel it, and then you would be able to book your Disney / Pixar Films at 9 AM for Nov. 3rd yesterday. This is the behavior of the system once you complete your initial selection, and pay.

The "in park" behavior for modifying a LLMP is different. As was mentioned earlier in the thread as soon as your park day starts at 12:00 AM, the rules change to "in park" behavior. It allows you to have more overlap than the 15-20 minute overlap that is possible in the 5 minute pre-purchase window, and direct "modify" replacement of LLMP times.


No it does not prove your point at all. Frozen was showing as available at 9 AM for Nov. 3rd until just before 10 AM this morning. Please note that Thrill Data is only checking on a polling interval for (1) guest, it is not actual real-time data. They have to use the MDE API interface.

How many guests are you trying to book LLMP for?

Dave

Yes -- I never doubted the resolution but questioning why it functions as is. It's odd given it should be enforcing the same 'rules'. I cannot understand why that would be an intentional rule because the end result is the same -- you are able to switch to that same time slot but forcing the cancel is unnecessary. But, alas, it is necessary.

What's the prebook overlap? I am seeing 15 minutes (e.g. 9-10 and 945-1045). I can't squeeze in that overlap anymore right now.
For day-of, does that mean in park would allow 9-10 and 915-1015?

And apologies if I am coming off aggressive just frustrated with the unclear rules that don't make sense. Also, when I said proves my point meaning I do not believe it to be user error but a flaw in the system. From your point of view, I assume you are calling it a user error because you realize the need to cancel. Again, makes zero sense to me but Disney often makes odd choices.

I greatly appreciate the help from all

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I am using it for a burner. Figment should be dead but by switching it to Pixar, it allows me to maybe save a tad later in the day. The bigger issue is the app not performing as it should and the times being off. Zero chance Frozen has 9AM return time right now.

I don’t understand your strategy here and I think you may be misunderstanding something about how this system works. (I say this as someone who has been to WDW 24 times for a total of about 200 days since 2019, and now how to find the drop times for excess LLMP inventory, so I do know how it works). Once you tap into **any** attraction, tiers go out the window and you can modify to anything you want. There’s very little reason to have a “burner” right at 9 am (again why I questioned if you were rope dropping your burner, which is silly). Instead, if you are rope dropping, you can pick a ride you actually want to ride as your first one, and then at that point you can modify the rest to whatever you want, moving things up using the refresh mode as necessary.

 

[Dave006]

I cannot understand why that would be an intentional rule because the end result is the same -- you are able to switch to that same time slot but forcing the cancel is unnecessary. But, alas, it is necessary.

From a software programming view it does make sense, and is a logical programming restriction even though it is not a good User Experience (UX) for the guest.

What's the prebook overlap? I am seeing 15 minutes (e.g. 9-10 and 945-1045). I can't squeeze in that overlap anymore right now.
For day-of, does that mean in park would allow 9-10 and 915-1015?

That is the average overlap that the system will allow when your are making your initial selections, and these are best done in the initial 5 minute hold window before you purchase. You can't squeeze anything in to the gaps due to the large LLMP return time being held.

For day-of we have been able to get a 30 minute overlap often but I have never seen a 45 minute overlap as in your example. The system is simply not designed for your to book LLMP return times every 10-15 minutes.

From your point of view, I assume you are calling it a user error because you realize the need to cancel.

I never called it a user error but other DIS members have referenced this situation since it since it is often a simple user error.

You however were stuck in the normal pre-booked MDE behavior. Many times guests will have added things to their Disney items that may show a 4 hour window to their My Day plan, and have Dining reservations that are actually preventing them from making the normal LLMP selections or "modify" change or even booking a LLMP time that they are sure should work.

Dave

 

[Mle8308]

Sigh. It's not a user error. There's zero reason why you cannot switch from 1 ride to another assuming availability and not violating tier rules. Switching from Figment at 9AM to Pixar at 9AM is allowed in the parks but not prebooking. The fact I had to cancel Figment to book Pixar proves me point. And ZERO chance Frozen is available at 9AM like my app says. Thrill Data confirms too.

Exactly! As everyone was saying, you cannot modify before your park day, modify on day of. You have to cancel and rebook if it is further out than your park day. Exactly what you ended up doing and lo and behold, it worked! Glad you got what you wanted after all that!

 

[sagosto]

I don’t understand your strategy here and I think you may be misunderstanding something about how this system works. (I say this as someone who has been to WDW 24 times for a total of about 200 days since 2019, and now how to find the drop times for excess LLMP inventory, so I do know how it works). Once you tap into **any** attraction, tiers go out the window and you can modify to anything you want. There’s very little reason to have a “burner” right at 9 am (again why I questioned if you were rope dropping your burner, which is silly). Instead, if you are rope dropping, you can pick a ride you actually want to ride as your first one, and then at that point you can modify the rest to whatever you want, moving things up using the refresh mode as necessary.

I am doing exactly as suggesting. I have TT, Soarin, and Pixar. The ONLY reason for PIXAR is to get Tier 1 #2 ASAP (e.g. Frozen). I arrive at IG, so I just jog down to Pixar/Figment at 9AM to grab my next LL before the Tier #1s disappear.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I am doing exactly as suggesting. I have TT, Soarin, and Pixar. The ONLY reason for PIXAR is to get Tier 1 #2 ASAP (e.g. Frozen). I arrive at IG, so I just jog down to Pixar/Figment at 9AM to grab my next LL before the Tier #1s disappear.

Assuming for a moment you couldn’t get either Soarin or TT for 9 am (since just rope dropping the ride you actually want to ride makes so much more sense than rope dropping a burner), there was literally no other ride you wanted to ride that you could get at 9 am? Again, I think you’re mistakenly using the strategy from the old fastpass days when you DID have to burn two tier 2’s before you could select your 4th ride of the day and have it be a Tier 1. There is just no reason to rope drop a burner under the current system. It’s a ridiculous waste of your time. There is really no valid strategic purpose for a “burner” these days other than as a ride you had to grab that you plan on modifying once you unlock tiers. Not as a ride you actually have to physically tap into.

 

[Tatebeck]

There is just no reason to rope drop a burner under the current system. It’s a ridiculous waste of your time. There is really no valid strategic purpose for a “burner” these days other than as a ride you had to grab that you plan on modifying once you unlock tiers. Not as a ride you actually have to physically tap into.

No, it can definitely still make sense to grab a less desirable LL right at park open, especially if staying on site and the rides you want LLs for aren't available right at park open. I do it sometimes as well under certain circumstances to get to book more tier 1s ASAP. This helps at EPCOT especially where tier 1 LLs can sell out before the morning is over. You can rope drop something, ride a tier 2, then have 3 Tier 1 rides queued up, then use LLs for the other Tier 2s as you use up those Tier 1s

Example Strategy:

• Early entry-rope drop a ride or two that you want (Guardians, Remy, etc) to do in the 30 minutes before the park and LLs officially open.
• Right at park open or soon after, use the undesirable LL, then book a Tier 1 before they sell out, and then modify your third LL to a Tier 1 as well. Have TT, Remy, and Frozen booked, which is almost impossible if you are trying to modify after 11-12 or so.
• Then enjoy and book Tier 2s as you use the Tier 1s

 

[sagosto]

Assuming for a moment you couldn’t get either Soarin or TT for 9 am (since just rope dropping the ride you actually want to ride makes so much more sense than rope dropping a burner), there was literally no other ride you wanted to ride that you could get at 9 am? Again, I think you’re mistakenly using the strategy from the old fastpass days when you DID have to burn two tier 2’s before you could select your 4th ride of the day and have it be a Tier 1. There is just no reason to rope drop a burner under the current system. It’s a ridiculous waste of your time. There is really no valid strategic purpose for a “burner” these days other than as a ride you had to grab that you plan on modifying once you unlock tiers. Not as a ride you actually have to physically tap into.

There's no guarantee that I will be able to rope drop that day must be considered. Epcot is notorious for selling out of Tier 1 FPs especially with TT 3.0 in the mix. Why wouldn't it make sense to grab a burner as soon as possible? At 9AM, I can grab Frozen and modify Soarin' to use Remy if desired.

 

[sagosto]

No, it can definitely still make sense to grab a less desirable LL right at park open, especially if staying on site. I do it sometimes as well under certain circumstances to get to book more tier 1s ASAP. This helps at EPCOT especially where tier 1 LLs can sell out before the morning is over. You can rope drop something, ride a tier 2, then have 3 Tier 1 rides queued up, then use LLs for the other Tier 2s as you use up those Tier 1s

Example Strategy:

• Early entry-rope drop a ride or two that you want (Guardians, Remy, etc) to do in the 30 minutes before the park and LLs officially open.
• Right at park open or soon after, use the undesirable LL, then book a Tier 1 before they sell out, and then modify your third LL to a Tier 1 as well. Have TT, Remy, and Frozen booked, which is almost impossible if you are trying to modify after 11-12 or so.
• Then enjoy and book Tier 2s as you use the Tier 1s

THIS. The other beauty is just having the LL's booked where I can forgo not even using them if I wanted to and save them for later. For example, if I arrive at my 10AM TT and the line is dead, I am NOT using my LL and going to use it later in the day when the lines get bigger. There's a total 3 hour rule but CMs are not enforcing it even if I use that LL at 6PM.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Example Strategy:

• Early entry-rope drop a ride or two that you want (Guardians, Remy, etc) to do in the 30 minutes before the park and LLs officially open.
• Right at park open or soon after, use the undesirable LL, then book a Tier 1 before they sell out, and then modify your third LL to a Tier 1 as well. Have TT, Remy, and Frozen booked, which is almost impossible if you are trying to modify after 11-12 or so.
• Then enjoy and book Tier 2s as you use the Tier 1s

Again, this part makes no sense. As soon as you tap into any ride, you immediately unlock tier 1’s,a nd can book all three tier 1’s that are available. There is zero reason for your first ride that you tap in to be a “burner.” It can be a ride you actually want to ride! This all strikes me as “fancy play syndrome” where you are running around the park tapping into your burner ride to “outsmart” the system when in fact you could just be tapping into something you want to ride and achieve literally the exact same results.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

There's no guarantee that I will be able t

Whether you rope drop or not makes no difference. You don’t unlock additional Tier 1’s until you tap into that first ride. There is still zero reason for that first ride to be a burner versus something you actually want to ride.

 

[Tatebeck]

Again, this part makes no sense. As soon as you tap into any ride, you immediately unlock tier 1’s,a nd can book all three tier 1’s that are available. There is zero reason for your first ride that you tap in to be a “burner.” It can be a ride you actually want to ride! This all strikes me as “fancy play syndrome” where you are running around the park tapping into your burner ride to “outsmart” the system when in fact you could just be tapping into something you want to ride and achieve literally the exact same results.

You can't always get a ride you really want to ride right at park open...
I have a Hollywood studios day booked where Slinky, ToT, and Midway Mania's earliest times were an hour or more after park open.

If we weren't park hopping and had to get these all done in the AM then I would have considered moving one to a burner ride instead to let me unlock all my LL booking options

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

THIS. The other beauty is just having the LL's booked where I can forgo not even using them if I wanted to and save them for later. For example, if I arrive at my 10AM TT and the line is dead, I am NOT using my LL and going to use it later in the day when the lines get bigger. There's a total 3 hour rule but CMs are not enforcing it even if I use that LL at 6PM.

In fact, because of LLMP’s unadvertised 3 hour rule, where you can book an additional attraction after your first one expires, without losing your first one, it actually makes the most sense to book your tier 1 first, that way if you don’t get into the park in time to hit it in that 1 hour window, you can grab another tier 1 at the end of that hour, and you still have two hours to ride the first tier 1. This is why the expert strategy is to always try to get the tier 1 at 9 am if possible.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

You can't always get a ride you really want to ride right at park open...

At Epcot? Extremely unlikely, but in any event, the OP in this thread had Figment at 9 am a ride they wanted to ride and purposefully dumped it for a burner.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

You can't always get a ride you really want to ride right at park open...
I have a Hollywood studios day booked where Slinky, ToT, and Midway Mania's earliest times were an hour or more after park open.

If we weren't park hopping and had to get these all done in the AM then I would have considered moving one to a burner ride instead to let me unlock all my LL booking options

That still makes no sense lol. Unless you are saying that all the rides that were available at 9 am were ones you didn’t want to ride. If that’s the case, in that extremely limited circumstance, then I guess it could be worth the marginal value of rope dropping a burner (again though this ignores that it’s much less hassle to modify/refresh or use drop times), but in Ops circumstance, they had a ride they actually wanted to ride at 9 am.

 

[Tatebeck]

In fact, because of LLMP’s unadvertised 3 hour rule, where you can book an additional attraction after your first one expires, without losing your first one, it actually makes the most sense to book your tier 1 first, that way if you don’t get into the park in time to hit it in that 1 hour window, you can grab another tier 1 at the end of that hour, and you still have two hours to ride the first tier 1. This is why the expert strategy is to always try to get the tier 1 at 9 am if possible.

Exactly, it is just not always possible. But at least this is more realistic now than .

"There is just no reason to rope drop a burner under the current system. It’s a ridiculous waste of your time. There is really no valid strategic purpose for a “burner” these days other than as a ride you had to grab that you plan on modifying once you unlock tiers. "

At Epcot? Extremely unlikely, but in any event, the OP in this thread had Figment at 9 am a ride they wanted to ride and purposefully dumped it for a burner.

Agree on the Figment not being a high priority for me, lol. But yes it is possible in EPCOT to not get a 9-AM time for Test Track, Remy's, or Frozen. And honestly Frozen isn't worth it to be your 1 guaranteed Tier 1 ride

 

[Dave006]

In fact, because of LLMP’s unadvertised 3 hour rule, where you can book an additional attraction after your first one expires, without losing your first one, it actually makes the most sense to book your tier 1 first, that way if you don’t get into the park in time to hit it in that 1 hour window, you can grab another tier 1 at the end of that hour,

Sorry you are wrong in this situation. You can't just get an additional LLMP selection after your first (1) expires. You must enter the park and tap in to one of your initial LLMP attractions to unlock tiers.

Until this happens all you can do is replace your expired LLMP with one of the same tier or a lower tier.

Dave

 

[Tom_E_D]

At Epcot? Extremely unlikely, but in any event, the OP in this thread had Figment at 9 am a ride they wanted to ride and purposefully dumped it for a burner.

In Post 1, OP says they booked Figment as a burner. I looked back through OP's posts and don't see where they ever said they wanted to ride Figment. Please point me to the post number if I'm wrong.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

THIS. The other beauty is just having the LL's booked where I can forgo not even using them if I wanted to and save them for later. For example, if I arrive at my 10AM TT and the line is dead, I am NOT using my LL and going to use it later in the day when the lines get bigger. There's a total 3 hour rule but CMs are not enforcing it even if I use that LL at 6PM.

CMs are enforcing that 2 hour rule. You may get some that don’t but there are enough that do enforce it.

I heard they’re a little more lenient with LLSP but I wouldn’t chance going over the 2 hours.

 

[Tom_E_D]

Sorry you are wrong in this situation. You can't just get an additional LLMP selection after your first (1) expires. You must enter the park and tap in to one of your initial LLMP attractions to unlock tiers.

Until this happens all you can do is replace your expired LLMP with one of the same tier or a lower tier.

Dave

Dave, in the post you are replying to, Anna says she is talking about replacing an expired Tier 1 with another Tier 1 in the same park. That's what your second paragraph says she can do (same tier). So, she is right in this situation, isn't she?